Wrong burden of proof applied.
Dear Sir or Madam,
Given what I have just found in Hansard could you please supply the
information on what you can do in relation to investigating the
fact that Parliament intended that the burden of proof should be on
the prosecution in the Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981 however it
has been wrongly placed on the defendant for many years?
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WILDLIFE AND COUNTRYSIDE ACT 1981: DECISIONS TO PROSECUTE HL Deb 15
March 1983 vol 440 c718WA 718WA
§ Lord Melchett
asked Her Majesty's Government:
Why, in respect of the shooting of a barnacle goose on Islay on
25th October 1982, the procurator fiscal decided that no
proceedings should be taken, and whether the procurator fiscal
decided, as with an incident that occurred on 27th January 1983 on
Islay, that no offence had been committed.
§ The Lord Advocate (Lord Mackay of Clashfern)
In deciding whether the facts as disclosed to the procurator fiscal
justified the taking of proceedings under the Wildlife and
Countryside Act 1981, the procurator fiscal had to decide whether
an offence had been committed, whether there was sufficient
evidence to prove the alleged offence against the accused and
whether there was any excuse for the accused's conduct. The
decision in respect of the incident of 25th October 1982 involved
the exercise of a judgment by the procurator fiscal taking all the
circumstances into consideration. It would not be appropriate to
give the detailed grounds upon which the decision was taken. I have
examined the circumstances of the case, and am satisfied that the
procurator fiscal exercised his judgment in a proper manner.
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Yours faithfully,
Derek Canning LLB[hons]
Yours faithfully,
Derek Canning LLB [HONS]
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Dear House Of Lords Information Office,
Please note below sections taken from Hansard to show how for many years the RSPB have used their members to make the law that controls use in relation to birds. This is not acceptable given the bias nature of the RSPB and the doctrine of separation. The RSPB helped write the Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981, their members helped pass it through the House of Commons and House Lords and the RSPB WRONGLY set the president that the burden of proof is on the defendant in the Robinson v Kirkland 1986 case.
If you look at the sections below from Hansard you will note that it was not Parliament’s intention to put the burden of proof on the defendant who could now go to jail if found guilt which is very likely as usually it is impossible to prove once innocence in relation to bird offences. Also note, as in my case, judges who are members of the RSPB are making judgements in relation to bird offences that set presidents. I want a public inquiry into the matter.
Please supply the information how I can request a public inquiry into my complaint.
Below is sections taken from Hansard to show how the RSPB control the law via their members.
PROTECTION OF BIRDS (AMENDMENT) BILL
HL Deb 26 July 1976 vol 373 cc1139-45 1139
§ 7.49 p.m.
Lord CHELWOOD
My Lords, I beg to move that this Bill be now read a second time. This very short amending Bill passed through all its stages on the nod in another place on 16th July. That was something which I think was most unusual and, in my experience at any rate, unique. But it showed three things: first, that this amending Bill is not controversial; secondly, that it has the Government's blessing; and, thirdly, that there is a need for it. As Parliament has had no explanation whatsoever of the need for this amendment of the Protection of Birds Act 1954, as amended in 1967, because there was no opportunity in another place, may I please say a few words, in spite of the hour being latish, because I think it is important that there should be something—even something brief—on the record?
The fines for any person guilty of an offence against the Protection of Birds Act 1954 have not been changed since that Act was put on the Statute Book. Clause 12(2)(a) of the Act laid down a maximum fine of £25 for especially serious offences. Those offences fell into two main categories: first, excessively cruel methods of killing or taking wild birds, such as the use of gin traps, or the use of blinded decoy birds, or the use of bird lime. Those are three examples which spring to mind and they were described in detail, together with other excessively cruel methods of taking wild birds, in Section 5 of the 1954 Act.
The second category of specially serious offences which are subject to a maximum fine of £25 involve the taking of rare or very rare birds which are listed in the First Schedule to the Act. Incidentally, the very first bird in that Schedule is the 1140 avocet, because the Schedule is alphabetical. This bird is the symbol of the RSPB. At the moment I am wearing the tie of the Royal Society for the Protection of Birds, whose President is the noble Lord, Lord Donaldson, who sits opposite. For many years this society has done splendid work for the protection of wild birds and it is extremely anxious to see that this measure reaches the Statute Book.
Section 12(2)(b) of the 1954 Act laid down a maximum fine of £5 for all other offences under the Act. It is sad but true that the purchasing power of the pound since 1954 has fallen so steeply that to impose the same penalty in real terms today the fines would need to be, in round figures, £90 and £18 instead of £25 and £5. Thus this Bill introduces no more than an increase that offsets the inflation since 1954. In addition, the fines under the Protection of Birds Acts are now seriously out of line with the most recent legislation in the conservation field. The Badgers Act 1973 laid down a maximum fine of £100. The Conservation of Wild Creatures and Wild Plants Act 1975 laid down the same maximum fine of £100. The really important reason, however, for this short amending Bill must be the ever increasing demand for, and hence the pressure on, rare species of birds, in particular birds of prey, and the extraordinarily high price that these species fetch on the black market.
Below is sections taken from Hansard to show how the RSPB control the law via their members.
‘breeding capacity in captivity. That is because nobody has bothered to do it. Whether a blackbird is something from which one can make mules with canaries I am not absolutely certain, but bullfinch mules and goldfinch mules are certainly produced in the canary exhibiting world and produce very special song birds and rather pretty variants. I think probably the reason is that there are so many of them in the wild that nobody has actually bothered to go to the trouble of introducing a self-sustaining breeding population in captivity. That is merely an observation, but I think it bears a little on what the noble Lord, Lord Donaldson, has said.
§ Baroness David
The Minister gave a list of societies which have given advice on this subject. Was the 933 Royal Society for the Protection of Birds included in that list?
§ Lord Renton
I will try not to widen the discussion too much, but I have always had an aversion to seeing birds of any kind kept in small cages. I remember annoying one of my constituency agents very much by refusing to present the prizes at an annual show of a cage birds society. Is there anything in this Bill which will ensure that if birds are bred and kept in captivity they will be kept in reasonable sized cages?
In this connection, I feel bound to invite the attention of your Lordships to the Notes on Clauses, which make it clear that birds may be shown non-competitively even if they are not listed in Part I of Schedule 3. In this respect there seems to be no limit whatever upon the number of birds which may be kept in small cages so long as they are kept non-competitively. This is a matter on which Parliament perhaps needs to lead public opinion. I should be grateful if my noble friend could let us know whether there is anything in the Bill, other than what is in subsection (3) of Clause 6 (which does not go very far), which could set at rest the kind of fears that I have mentioned.
Lord Chelwood
Now that my noble friend Lord Sandys has heard the anxieties expressed on both sides of the Committee, which I think are clearly fairly widely shared, perhaps he will be good enough to say that he will at any rate look at this again, even though he is prejudiced against the amendment at the moment. I fully realise this is a very prickly and very complicated question. It would have been tackled in 1954 and 1967 under the Wild Birds Protection Acts had it been easier to tackle. The noble Lord, Lord Donaldson, the immediate past President of the Royal Society for the Protection for Birds, of which I was once President, is only too well aware how anxious the RSPB is that it should be tackled.
Therefore, of course, the Society, which is I believe the biggest voluntary conservation society in the world, will be glad that we are debating it, but they do have serious anxieties. They were not mentioned by my noble friend, Lord Sandys, who gave the names of three societies he had consulted, all of which, I had the impression, were perhaps to some extent prejudiced, in that they were interested in the very widespread hobby of showing caged birds, which is obviously going to go on whether we like it or not. It does seem to me extremely important, now that we
WILDLIFE AND COUNTRYSIDE ACT 1981: DECISIONS TO PROSECUTE
HL Deb 15 March 1983 vol 440 c718WA 718WA
§ Lord Melchett
asked Her Majesty's Government:
Why, in respect of the shooting of a barnacle goose on Islay on 25th October 1982, the procurator fiscal decided that no proceedings should be taken, and whether the procurator fiscal decided, as with an incident that occurred on 27th January 1983 on Islay, that no offence had been committed.
§ The Lord Advocate (Lord Mackay of Clashfern)
In deciding whether the facts as disclosed to the procurator fiscal justified the taking of proceedings under the Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981, the procurator fiscal had to decide whether an offence had been committed, whether there was sufficient evidence to prove the alleged offence against the accused and whether there was any excuse for the accused's conduct. The decision in respect of the incident of 25th October 1982 involved the exercise of a judgment by the procurator fiscal taking all the circumstances into consideration. It would not be appropriate to give the detailed grounds upon which the decision was taken. I have examined the circumstances of the case, and am satisfied that the procurator fiscal exercised his judgment in a proper manner.
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Yours sincerely,
Derek Canning LLB [HONS]
Dear Mr. Canning,
The House of Lords administration does not hold recorded information about how you can seek a public inquiry into your complaint.
I would suggest you contact your MP. Contact details for MPs are available at: http://www.parliament.uk/mpslordsandoffi...
Yours sincerely,
Frances Grey
Freedom of Information Officer
House of Lords
Dear Mr. Canning,
According to the whatdotheyknow.com website the response to your enquiry
is overdue. However, a substantive response was sent to you within the 20
working day deadline and appears on the website.
Yours sincerely,
Frances Grey
Freedom of Information Officer
House of Lords
Dear GREY, Frances,
I want an internal inquiry as you have totally avoided addressing what I have said.
Yours sincerely,
Derek Canning LLB [HONS]
Dear Mr Canning
Please find attached the internal review letter relating to your
request.
Yours sincerely
Alex Daybank
Information Compliance Manager
House of Lords
Dear FOI LORDS,
My MP ignores me, he is just waiting until he retires may be and he does not want to rock the boat.
Yours sincerely,
Derek Canning LLB [HONS]
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