"Worked to reduce casualties by 20%"

Response to this request is long overdue. By law, under all circumstances, Dorset Police should have responded by now (details). You can complain by requesting an internal review.

Dear Dorset Police,

Assistant Chief Constable, Sam de Reya, chair of the Dorset Road Safe Partnership, recently announced that:

“Over the last ten years, we’ve worked in partnership to reduce the number of casualties by 20 per cent and while every collision can be devastating, I am pleased that we are making constant progress in making our roads safer.”

https://www.dorset.police.uk/news-inform...

Please could you provide the data, and the analysis, that demonstrates that the partnership have reduced casualties by 20%

Yours faithfully,

Ian Belchamber

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Dear Sir

 

Please find attached the response to your above numbered Freedom of
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Should you have any further queries please do not hesitate to contact me.

 

Yours faithfully

 

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Dear .Freedom of Information,

Please could you familiarise yourselves with the rules on FOI and provide an adequate response.

The rules are available here:
https://ico.org.uk/for-organisations/gui....

In particular:

"Application of section 14(1)
12. It is important to remember that section 14(1) can only be
applied to the request itself, and not the individual who submits
it. An authority cannot, therefore, refuse a request on the
grounds that the requester himself is vexatious. Similarly, an
authority cannot simply refuse a new request solely on the
basis that it has classified previous requests from the same
individual as vexatious."

"13. Section 14(1) is concerned with the nature of the request
rather than the consequences of releasing the requested
information. If an authority is concerned about any possible
prejudice which might arise from disclosure, then it will need to
consider whether any of the exemptions listed in Part II of the
Act apply."

"You cannot refuse a request as repeated once a reasonable period has passed. The reasonable period is not set down in law but depends on the circumstances, including, for example, how often the information you hold changes."

"Bear in mind that it is the request that is considered vexatious, not the requester. If after refusing a request as vexatious you receive a subsequent request from the same person, you can refuse it only if it also meets the criteria for being vexatious."

"You should be prepared to find a request vexatious in legitimate circumstances, but you should exercise care when refusing someone’s rights in this way."

I am therefore putting this forward as a request for internal review.

Yours sincerely,

Ian Belchamber

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Dear Dorset Police,
Please also note,
"You can refuse requests if they are repeated, whether or not they are also vexatious. You can normally refuse to comply with a request if it is identical or substantially similar to one you previously complied with from the same requester. You cannot refuse a request from the same requester just because it is for information on a related topic. You can do so only when there is a complete or substantial overlap between the two sets of information."

Please understand that my request for evidence to support the claim made this year is obviously not identical or substantially similar to anything I may have requested more than 5 years ago and you may not refuse a request for it being on a "related topic" so the message sent to me a while ago is in breach of the rules

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Dear Mr Belchamber

Please find attached the response to your above numbered Internal Review.

 

Yours sincerely,

 

 

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Dear .Freedom of Information,

Thanks for your reply which was entirely predictable, yet another coverup.

My full response which will go to the ICO is available here:

http://www.dorsetspeed.org.uk/2020/nov14...

Yours sincerely,

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Dear Mr Belchamber

Following the recent ICO Decision Notice, please find attached the
response to your above numbered Freedom of Information Request.

 

Yours sincerely,

 

 

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Dear .Freedom of Information,

Thanks for your response although it doesn’t answer the question. This is important, safety work deserves the highest levels of professionalism, anything less will cost lives:
1. The response ends rather abruptly on page 1 and it seems as though I may not have all of it?
2. Official verified data (available here: https://data.gov.uk/dataset/cb7ae6f0-4be...) shows that since 2010, KSI reductions in Dorset have been rather lower than claimed by Sam De Reya, with typical volatility year to year but with a low “spike” in 2018. Here is an estimate of the reduction from the data above and workings shown:
2010 KSI 349
2011 KSI 329
2012 KSI 393 : Average 357

2017 KSI 356
2018 KSI 295
2019 KSI 328 : Average 326
Reduction = 326 / 357 = 8.5%
This is somewhat at odds with the statement from Sam De Reya and DSRSP which is more than double. This is why I asked to see the data, and the analysis, that led to this result. It is helpful to detail the source of the data you are using so there can be no misunderstanding. Once you have fully provided your data and analysis, the numbers you have chosen to produce your result (even if it is flawed, such as picking single years out of volatile data) it will be possible to understand and verify the statements from Dorset Police, or demonstrate them incorrect, or identify inconsistencies in data, etc, all outcomes which will improve quality in safety and therefore save lives. Competent safety analysis and genuine transparency should only seek the truth, not protect mistakes made.
3. Any reductions prior to the time period mentioned (the last decade, or 10 years) are not relevant to the statement by Sam De Reya and unlikely to be anything to do with what the police or anyone else is doing now or in recent times.
4. Regardless of what the reduction may or may not have been, all contributors to the article are clearly claiming that this entire reduction is due only to the actions of the local authorities, praising them very highly and clearly keen to do more. The only justification for this seems to be that the reduction nationally was 9%. (i.e. about the same as that seen in Dorset according to the clear simple calculation above) As any good analyst knows, it can be easy to misuse numbers to draw false conclusions. Such statements should not be made without the full data (referencing the source) and analysis. It is also obvious that there are a multitude of factors that influence casualty counts, not only what the authorities do, improving vehicle safety, etc. If this is not the case, again, please could Dorset Police provide the analysis that demonstrates that any reduction that is achieved will only be due to the actions of the authorities.
5. If such statements from Dorset Police are indeed highly optimistic or dishonest, but will contribute to actual poor performance continuing, this false optimism and / or false honesty will cost lives.
There could not be a clearer need for Dorset Police to properly provide the information requested, as this simple note demonstrates Dorset may in fact be no better than anywhere else and actions taken which are obviously believed to be highly effective may not be at all.

Yours sincerely,

Ian Belchamber

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Dear Dorset Police,

Please pass this on to the person who conducts Freedom of Information reviews.

I am writing to request an internal review of Dorset Police's handling of my FOI request '"Worked to reduce casualties by 20%"'.

Further to my response on the 25th November, I had hoped there would be an enthusiastic response quickly dealing with the points raised, this may not be the case, so I am now requesting an internal review about this FOI case.

A full history of my FOI request and all correspondence is available on the Internet at this address: https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/w...

Yours faithfully,

Ian Belchamber

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Dear Mr Belchamber
We acknowledge receipt of your request for an Internal Review

Your request will be considered in accordance with the Freedom of Information Act 2000.

Should you have any further inquiries concerning this matter, please contact me quoting reference 2020-644.

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Dear .Freedom of Information,

It is now nearly a year and a half since I asked for some simple information:
1. Data - an independently verifiable set of numbers
2. Analysis - the workings out, how the data was processed to provide the result stated
... to demonstrate that the public statement by Sam de Reya was correct and you have still failed to provide this information.

It is also now 3 months since you confirmed the request for internal review but I have heard nothing.

I hope that you can see that this is far from satisfactory.

Please can you now provide this simple data.

Yours sincerely,

Ian Belchamber

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Dear Mr Belchamber,

 

Please find attached the response to your above numbered Internal Review.
Please accept my apologies for the delay in getting this back to you.

 

Yours faithfully,

 

Richard Scott

 

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Dear .Freedom of Information,

I am not sure if you have read previous messages on this but I have already explained that this question relates to 2010 to 2020, therefore anything that happened before 2010 is not relevant. You have still therefore failed to provide the information requested and failed to state that you do not have the information. There is of course a further option, you do have the information, but it demonstrates that the statement was wrong. Please could you clearly state which it is?

I have now received and checked the response from Dorset Police regarding my FOI question sent in August 2020.
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/w...

This was to provide the data, and the analysis to show that a statement released to the public in the same month was correct:

“Over the last ten years, we’ve worked in partnership to reduce the number of casualties by 20 per cent and while every collision can be devastating, I am pleased that we are making constant progress in making our roads safer.”

The “last ten years” would refer to the time period 2010 to 2020. This is a significant time period as 2010 was when the current scheme, “No Excuse” was started. Both from this and the time period stated, data from before this period is not relevant.

The response states that the previous response was correct. But it was not, and neither is this one. The latest review does at least contain some more data and some analysis. But it compares the average of the previous 5 years 2005 to 2009 to a single year 2019. This is not relevant to the statement which is about the years 2010 to 2020.

Although it makes no difference to this simple fact I will also explain that it is deeply flawed.

There happened to be some very high counts in 2005, 2007 and 2008. If this is because of a falling trend over a longer time period then it may (or may not) have been partly due to what the police were doing 2000 to 2010, not the period Sam De Reya commented on 2010 to 2020. If it was simply due to volatility then the average 2005-2009 was artificially high and to claim a lower average due to anything done 2010 onwards would be false. It is also completely wrong to base results from an average of 5 years at the start and a single year at the end with such volatile data.

But as I say Dorset Police have failed to provide any data relevant to the question to show that:
1. KSIs fell over the period stated (2010 to 2020) by the amount stated (20%)
2. Any reduction there may have been was entirely due to them or their partnership / other stakeholders etc., rather than outside effects such as improving car design, etc. For example, prior to 1990, very few cars had ABS (anti-lock braking), by 2000, a very large proportion had. This would obviously have helped greatly with road safety.

I ask again, if there is such data, please could Dorset Police provide it. If there is not, please could they state this. It would also be very helpful in this case if they could explain what they will do to prevent misleading information from being published again.

It is not satisfactory to provide information which is not the information requested and say that the information requested has been provided.

Ian Belchamber

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Ian Belchamber

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Dear Dorset Police,
For the record and anyone following this case:
I put this to the ICO and predictably they shut it down, this has all the signs of another spectacular demonstration of corruption and incompetence in Dorset Police etc. Here is the text that will go to the Information Tribunal, it will be interesting to see if this particular coverup will go all the way like all the others:

The response from the ICO has missed the point spectacularly and has not even understood the simple case put to it. This is extremely disappointing having waited so long.
Let me put this as clearly as I can:
I requested information to demonstrate that a statement made by Sam de Reya was correct:
“Over the last ten years, we’ve worked in partnership to reduce the number of casualties by 20 per cent and while every collision can be devastating, I am pleased that we are making constant progress in making our roads safer.”
Having tried to ignore the request and failed, Dorset Police were in a position to provide any information it may have had, and to comment based on this information, about the validity of that statement.
If it can provide relevant information, it must do so. If it cannot, it must state that it cannot, and in this case, the right thing to have done would have been for Dorset Police to make sure it does not release misleading statements, or those that cannot be backed up, in the future.
What happened was that it provided some information, unfortunately not for the “last ten years” and therefore not relevant to the statement, and then went on to state that this data confirmed that the statement was correct.
“In terms of comparing the above figures for 2005-09 with 2019.” – TOTALLY IRRELEVANT: 2005 to 2009 is not in the last 10 years!
And the response (from Richard Scott) still demonstrates the delusion that casualty reduction ONLY results from the authorities when as I have pointed out car safety (including in previous decades air bags, anti-lock braking and now Autonomous Emergency Braking), “there are a range of factors which go in to reducing casualties, and a range of stakeholders who make that contribution” NO NOT JUST STAKEHOLDERS.
Therefore to summarise, we are now in the situation that:
- Assistant Chief Constable Sam de Reya released a misleading statement about the performance of the police (after a long string of previous similar incidences from Dorset Police), either deliberately or certainly without any care about its accuracy
- Dorset Police tried to wriggle out of providing the proof that the statement was false
- When forced, Dorset Police made up a justification with data over a different timespan but concluded that it backed up the statement made which it clearly does not
- The Information Commissioner is either incompetent beyond belief or has chosen to dig the hole a little deeper and protect Dorset Police (seen it all before many times). The ICO should have simply insisted that Dorset Police either: 1. Provide the information relevant to the statement, or 2. State that the information does not in fact exist.
Of course, we all know that the data for the DECADE does exist, and it clearly demonstrates the statement to be false, both numerically, and in interpretation (the majority of accidents are simply caused by driver error, nothing that any “stakeholder” deals with). But Dorset Police will never admit that!
This emerging and escalating coverup is already making the police (and now the ICO) look worse than a simple admission from Sam de Reya that the statement was wrong and that Dorset Police would improve standards and learn from it.

Yours faithfully,

Ian Belchamber

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