Warner Report

rebecca hemsley made this Freedom of Information request to Department for Education

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The request was refused by Department for Education.

Dear Department for Education,

Please could you send me a copy of the Warner Report established by the Department of Health in 1992.

The Department of Health replied that you hold may hold this information.This is their response to my foi request

"It may help to explain that although the Department of Health was responsible for children's social care in 1992, responsibility (and the associated papers) for children's social care went to the Department for Education (DfE) in 2003. You may wish to contact DfE directly. "

Yours faithfully,

rebecca hemsley

Department for Education

Dear Ms Hemsley,
Thank you for your email dated 19 August 2013 requesting a copy of the Choosing with Care: Warner Report - The Report of the Committee of Inquiry into
the Selection, Development and Management of Staff in Children's Homes.

The quickest way for you to obtain a copy of the “Warner Report” is via the internet.  Copies of this report can be purchased at

[1]http://www.amazon.co.uk/Choosing-Care-Co...

If you are not able to get a copy of the report on-line, please do let me know and I will conduct a records search to see whether the Department holds
an archived hard copy of the report. 

I hope you find the above information helpful.
Your correspondence has been allocated reference number 2013/0052103. If you need to respond to us, please visit: [2]www.education.gov.uk/contactus,
and quote your reference number.

Yours sincerely,

Lydia Affie
Children in Care
[email address]
[3]www.education.gov.uk

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Dear Lydia Department for Education,

Is it possible to find a copy of the Warner Report in your archives and scan it? This is a milestone in child care and it is not available in electronic form to anyone in public, victims of child abuse, families or academics unless you know of source?

Yours faithfully,

rebecca hemsley

Dear Department for Education,

Please could you reply to my FOI request, which has not received a reply for months

Yours faithfully,

Rebecca Hemsley

Department for Education

Dear Ms Hemsley
Thank you for your request for information, which was received on 12 ^ October. You requested a copy of 'Choosing with Care: Warner Report – The
Report of The Committee of Inquiry in to the Selection, Development and Management of Staff in Children’s Homes'. We have dealt with your
request under the Freedom of Information Act 2000.

Following a search of the department’s paper and electronic records, I have established that the information you requested is not held by this
department. However, as mentioned in our previous email, the information you requested is available from Amazon.co.uk, from £2.99. Further
details are available at the link below:

[1]www.amazon.co.uk/Choosing-Care-Committee-Development-Management/dp/0113215592/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1377253109&sr=8-1&keywords=Warner+report

If you have any queries about this letter, please contact me. Please remember to quote the reference number above in any future communications.

If you are unhappy with the way your request has been handled, you should make a complaint to the department by writing to me within two
calendar months of the date of this letter. Your complaint will be considered by an independent review panel, who were not involved in the
original consideration of your request. 

If you are not content with the outcome of your complaint to the department, you may then contact the Information Commissioner’s Office. 

Once again, thank you for writing and I hope the information I have provided is helpful. 
Your correspondence has been allocated reference number 2014/0066908. If you need to respond to us, please visit:
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Yours sincerely

Michelle Boyes
Ministerial and Public Communications Division
[4]www.gov.uk/dfe

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Dear Department for Education,

I am disappointed that after many months this important report is no nearer to being digitally available to everyone, including myself.

I am also shocked that the department that has responsibility for the childrens social care, does not have a copy of this extremely impotant report. It beggars belief.

Further the fact that the Government has even managed to" lose" such a widespread report as this, on top of all the other lost documents on chidl sexual abuse, will further stretch peoples credulity about the incompetence and corruption in government.

Can you confirm that what the DOH said is true?
"It may help to explain that although the Department of Health was
responsible for children's social care in 1992, responsibility (and
the associated papers) for children's social care went to the
Department for Education (DfE) in 2003. You may wish to contact DfE
directly. "

Please could you tell me under s 16, how much it would cost the Department of Education to fulfill my request to send me the report, even if they had to buy the report.

I estimate £6 for buying the report, which you claim not to have, even though you should have a copy, and no further direct cost apart unless fixed costs such as if say 3 hours labour is added to scan the report, and the use of the scanner. and put it into a pdf.

Please compare this cost with further refusing the request, and the cost and time of an internal review if you do. Perhaps you could come up with some figures. Then add in the cost of complaint to ICO.

Then please take into account the cost of employees of Department of Education and Social Services buying the report where needed and claiming it back from the various departments.

Then all people in government and local authorities needing the report for investigating historical child abuse and having to buy it and claim the costs back from government.

Then please add the social cost of people remaining ignorant of this report that should have known about it, due to the fact that the Department of Education has not made it available free of charge to everyone.

Then please add in the social and financial cost of abused children as the people in charge of them in various guises did not learn the lessons from the past.

Then please add in the cost of the public who wish access to this report that the public have already paid for the inquiry.

You can avoid all this unnecessary expense to government and public for less than £50 all in, direct cost less than £10.

Further please could you also tell me who owns copyright for this report and hence who will benefit from royalties if report available from TSO/HMSO. This also would be a conflict of interest to a department not responding favourably to my request to publish it under FOI.

Thus firstly I am asking you to send a digital copy of the report in response my FOI request.

Secondly, notwithstanding the FOI Act, this I am asking you to publish it anyway for moral, ethical, and financial reasons.

If you refuse to do either, it is very probable I shall ask for an internal review, which will cost more than you fulfilling the request I imagine.

Additionally I am also asking your department that I may make the report available digitally for free if I choose to get a physical copy of the report privately.

I trust the Department of Education sees sense before this issue expands in importance and embarrassment for the Department.

Yours faithfully,

Rebecca Hemsley

Department for Education

 

 

Dear Ms Hemsley

 

Thank you for your recent enquiry. A reply will be sent to you as soon as
possible. For information; the departmental standard for correspondence
received is that responses should be sent within 20 working days as you
are requesting information under the Freedom of Information Act 2000. Your
correspondence has been allocated reference number 2014/0076071.

 

Thank you

 

Department for Education

Ministerial and Public Communications Division

Tel: 0370 000 2288

 

 

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Department for Education

Dear Ms Hemsley,
Thank you for your request for information, which was received on 25^th November.
Further to your previous request, you repeated your request for a copy of Choosing with
Care: Warner Report - The Report of the Committee of Inquiry into the Selection,
Development and Management of Staff in Children's Homes.  I have dealt with your
request under the Freedom of Information Act 2000.

Following your request for an internal review we have conducted a further search of our
records and can confirm that the information you requested is not held by this
Department either in hard copy or electronic format.  However, this report is easily
available via other means as I have previously outlined. 

The Department has conducted an internal review in to the handling of your initial
requests.  This upheld my previous responses to you. The review found that your
enquiries had been responded to within required deadlines and as this information is
available elsewhere, in providing you with advice as to where to obtain a copy of this
report, the Department has fulfilled its obligations under section 16 of the Freedom of
Information Act. To reiterate, the Warner Report can be found here:

[1]http://www.amazon.co.uk/Choosing-Care-Co...

Since the Warner report was published there have been substantial changes to
regulations and guidance regarding looked after children and children’s homes to help
better safeguard vulnerable young people.  Research and reports, like the Warner
Report, have helped inform policy over the past 22 years and continue to do so.  Among
key changes introduced is the requirement for residential care workers to undergo
rigorous vetting and barring checks.  Government continues to work to improve the care
and protection of vulnerable children, with recent regulatory changes to improve
safeguarding in children’s homes and the planned introduction in April 2015 of new
Quality Standards for Children’s Homes.

Further information on current regulations and guidance can be found at: 

[2]https://www.gov.uk/schools-colleges-chil...

If you have any queries about this letter, please contact me. Please remember to quote
the reference number above in any future communications.

If you are unhappy with this decision, you have the right to appeal directly to the
Information Commissioner. The Information Commissioner can be contacted at: 

            The Case Reception Unit

            Customer Service Team

            Information Commissioner’s Office

            Wycliffe House

            Water Lane

            Wilmslow

            Cheshire

            SK9 5AF

Further information about the Information Commissioner’s complaints procedure can be
found on the Information Commissioner’s Office website:
[3]http://www.ico.gov.uk/complaints/freedom...
Your correspondence has been allocated reference number 2014/0076071. If you need to
respond to us, please visit: [4]www.education.gov.uk/contactus, and quote your
reference number.

Yours sincerely,

Lydia Affie
Children's Social Care
[email address]
[5]www.gov.uk/dfe

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Dear Department for Education,

Quite clearly your internal review was a nonsense and casts doubt upon the integrity of the Department. of Education.

1. On 27 Aug 2013 you stated "If you are not able to get a copy of the report on-line, please do let me know and I will conduct a records search to see whether the Department holds an archived hard copy of the report. "
2. I did as you suggested in 1 above and clearly there was no reply from 23rd Jan to 12 Oct 2014 so Dept of Education failed to comply with the Statutes
3.It was only in the reply of 30 Oct 2014 that you said you had established that the information I requested was s not held by your
department.Thus before this you had not been replying in compliance with the FOI Act.
4.I repeat my comment from 25 Nov 2014. I am also shocked that the department that has responsibility for the childrens social care, does not have a copy of this extremely impotant report. It beggars belief.
5. Further you failed to answer my question of "Please could you tell me under s 16, how much it would cost the Department of Education to fulfill my request to send me the report, even if they had to buy the report.
6. You carried out an internal review prematurely, before I had asked for one. Why?
7. You omitted to answer my question. "Further please could you also tell me who owns copyright for this report and hence who will benefit from royalties if report available from TSO/HMSO. This also would be a conflict of interest to a department not responding favourably to my request to publish it under FOI."
8. You omitted to answer my question" Can you confirm that what the DOH said is true?
"It may help to explain that although the Department of Health was
responsible for children's social care in 1992, responsibility (and
the associated papers) for children's social care went to the
Department for Education (DfE) in 2003. You may wish to contact DfE
directly. "
9.You omitted to answer my question
"notwithstanding the FOI Act, this I am asking you to
publish it anyway for moral, ethical, and financial reasons."
10. The is not available in digital format, nor is it available to the vast majority of people in electric format. This barrier to reading it, means of course that its recommendations, although relevant to today , will not be taken into account.
11. I believe that you are failing in your Duty of Care to children by not publishing this in digital format. Please state how this cannot be the case.
12 Please state who is supposed to have carried out the supposed internal review. Please state its full conclusions as this is obviously not a internal review as meant by the FOI Act.
"The Department has conducted an internal review in to the handling of your initial requests. This upheld my previous responses to you. The review found that your enquiries had been responded to within required deadlines and as this information is available elsewhere, in providing you with advice as to where to obtain a copy of this report, the Department has fulfilled its obligations under section 16 of the Freedom of Information Act. "
Furthermore, it is dishonest, as replies were not responded to within required deadlines - that is a lie. Teh other sentence in this supposed review talks about fuilfilling obligations under Section 16, however you have clearly not fulfilled obligations under other parts of the act.
13 Is no one in your department consulting this pivotal piece of documentation since 2002, have you have lost the reports, did you never have the report or do people have to buy theri own copies in your department?

Yours faithfully,

Rebecca Hemsley

Department for Education

Dear Rebecca Hemsley

Thank you for your recent enquiry. A reply will be sent to you as soon as possible. For information; the departmental standard for correspondence received is that responses should be sent within 20 working days as you are requesting information under the Freedom of Information Act 2000. Your correspondence has been allocated reference number 2015-0015325.

Thank you

Department for Education
Ministerial and Public Communications Division
Tel: 0370 000 2288

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Department for Education

Dear  Ms Hemsley 
Thank you for your letter of 24 March regarding your request for a copy of Choosing with care: The report of the Committee of Inquiry into the Selection, Development and Management of Staff in Childrens Homes.
I can only restate that the Department does not hold a copy of this report. In addition, under section 21 of the Act, the Department is not required to provide information in response to a request if it is already reasonably accessible to you. As already set out in previous correspondence, the report can be purchased from both Amazon.com and The Stationery Office and a reference copy is available at the British Library. The British Library also operates a documents service; details can be found on their website at http://www.bl.uk/.
In response to your query about the internal review conducted regarding your request: your email of the 25th November 2014 was taken to be a request for an internal review. This review was conducted and chaired by Emily Whitehead, a senior civil servant without prior involvement in the case. The full conclusions of the review were stated in my previous correspondence of 19th December. To reiterate, the review found that:

· your enquiries had been responded to within required deadlines; and

· as the information you requested is available elsewhere, in providing you with advice as to where to obtain a copy of this report, the Department has fulfilled its obligations under section 16 of the Freedom of Information Act.
In response to the other queries you raised: I can confirm that the Department of Health was correct in stating responsibility for children’s social care (and associated papers) passed to the Department for Education in 2003. As this report was published by Her Majesty’s Stationery Office, it is likely to have been published under Crown copyright.
We have made every effort to respond to your request but, if you remain dissatisfied with how your request has been handled you have the right to appeal directly to the Information Commissioner. The Information Commissioner can be contacted at:
The Case Reception Unit
Customer Service Team
Information Commissioner’s Office
Wycliffe House
Water Lane
Wilmslow
Cheshire
SK9 5AF

Further information about the Information Commissioner’s complaints procedure can be found on the Information Commissioner’s Office website: http://www.ico.gov.uk/complaints/freedom...
I hope the above information is useful.

Your correspondence has been allocated reference number 2015-0015325. If you need to respond to us, please visit: https://www.education.gov.uk/contactus and quote your reference number.

As part of our commitment to improving the service we provide to our customers, we are interested in hearing your views and would welcome your comments via our website at: https://www.education.gov.uk/pcusurvey.

Yours sincerely,

Lydia Affie 
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