Unlawful Taxation

Pat James (Account suspended) made this Freedom of Information request to Welsh Government

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Pat James (Account suspended)

Dear Welsh Government, it has been reported in the national media, that the Welsh Government is to introduce a 'property tax' on the people of Wales, similar to 'Stamp Duty'.

Please provide or direct me to any/all recorded documentation, which would authorise the Welsh Government to; ignore, countermand, usurp, repeal or otherwise revoke, The Petition of Right 1628 which forms part of our Constitution and is inalienable as it was bestowed by the Monarch by the grace of God.

Yours faithfully,

Pat James

Welsh Government

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Dear Pat James
 
Further to your  recent request for information, please find attached an
acknowledgment letter containing further details of when we will next
write to you.
 
Yours sincerely
 
 
Jamie
Jamie Jenkins
Rheolwr Gwybodaeth/Information Manager
Busnes, Eiddo a Gwasanaethau Proffesiynol (BEGP)/Business, Property and
Professional Services Division (BPPS)
Swyddfa’r Prif Weinidog a Swyddfa’r Cabinet/Office of the First Minister
and Cabinet Office
Llywodraeth Cymru - Welsh Government
Ffôn - Phone : 02920 821578
E-bost - E-mail [email address]
 
 
 
 
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Wrth adael Mewnrwyd Ddiogel y Llywodraeth nid oedd unrhyw feirws yn
gysylltiedig â’r neges hon. Mae’n ddigon posibl y bydd unrhyw ohebiaeth
drwy’r GSi yn cael ei logio, ei monitro a/neu ei chofnodi yn awtomatig am
resymau cyfreithiol.

Welsh Government

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Dear Pat James
 
Further to your recent request for information, please find attached a
final disclosure letter.
 
Yours sincerely
 
 
Jamie
Jamie Jenkins
Rheolwr Gwybodaeth/Information Manager
Busnes, Eiddo a Gwasanaethau Proffesiynol (BEGP)/Business, Property and
Professional Services Division (BPPS)
Swyddfa’r Prif Weinidog a Swyddfa’r Cabinet/Office of the First Minister
and Cabinet Office
Llywodraeth Cymru - Welsh Government
Ffôn - Phone : 02920 821578
E-bost - E-mail [email address]
 
 
 
 
On leaving the Government Secure Intranet this email was certified virus
free. Communications via the GSi may be automatically logged, monitored
and/or recorded for legal purposes.
Wrth adael Mewnrwyd Ddiogel y Llywodraeth nid oedd unrhyw feirws yn
gysylltiedig â’r neges hon. Mae’n ddigon posibl y bydd unrhyw ohebiaeth
drwy’r GSi yn cael ei logio, ei monitro a/neu ei chofnodi yn awtomatig am
resymau cyfreithiol.

Pat James (Account suspended)

Dear Welsh Government, thank you for your acknowledgement of my request, however its verbose and irrelevant content in no way provide a response in the context of my request, which is:

Please provide or direct me to any/all recorded documentation, which would authorise the Welsh Government to; ignore, countermand, usurp, repeal or otherwise revoke, The Petition of Right 1628 which forms part of our Constitution and is inalienable as it was bestowed by the Monarch by the grace of God.

Your communication would imply that an act or statute has the power ot authority to overrule a God give right enshrined in Common Law, which would be unconstitutional and therefore unlawful.

It is for this reason I demand a review into the handling of my request.

Yours faithfully,

Pat James

Welsh Government

Internal Review Acknowledgement Letter

Dear Pat James

Complaint in respect of ATISN 10754 - disclosure letter

Thank you for your email which was received on 21 September. Your complaint has been referred to me for an internal review which I will conduct in accordance with the procedure outlined in the Welsh Government's Practical Guide for Making Requests for Information which is available by post on request or via the internet.

I will write to you by 19 October to inform you of the outcome.

Yours sincerely

Georgina Haarhoff
Yr Is-adran Polisi Trethi a Deddfwriaeth/Tax Policy and Legislation
Trysorlys Cymru/Welsh Treasury
Swyddfa’r Prif Weinidog a Swyddfa’r Cabinet/Office of the First Minister and Cabinet Office
Llywodraeth Cymru/Welsh Government
 

Ffôn/Phone: 029 2082 6900

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Welsh Government

Outcome of an Internal Review

Dear Pat James

Complaint in respect of ATISN 10754: Property Tax

Your email requesting a review of the above was received on 21 September, and I emailed you on 22 September confirming that I would undertake an internal review. I confirmed that I would inform you of the outcome by 19 October.

I have considered your complaint in accordance with the procedure outlined in the Welsh Government's Practical Guide for Making Requests for Information (which is available by post on request or via the internet). I have confirmed that the Welsh Government does not hold any recorded documentation that falls within the scope of the request. The response to the original request alerted you to the Wales Act 2014 which provides the Assembly with the legislative competence to make provision in relation to devolved taxes, and provided a weblink to access this. The Freedom of Information Act (2000) confirms under section 21(1) that ‘Information which is reasonably accessible to the applicant otherwise than under section 1 is exempt information’. On the basis of this, I am upholding the original decision.

If you remain dissatisfied with this response you have the right to complain to the Information Commissioner. The Information Commissioner can be contacted at:

Information Commissioner’s Office,
Wycliffe House,
Water Lane,
Wilmslow,
Cheshire,
SK9 5AF.

Yours sincerely

Georgina Haarhoff

Yr Is-adran Polisi Trethi a Deddfwriaeth/Tax Policy and Legislation
Trysorlys Cymru/Welsh Treasury
Swyddfa’r Prif Weinidog a Swyddfa’r Cabinet/Office of the First Minister and Cabinet Office
Llywodraeth Cymru/Welsh Government

029 2082 6900

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Pat James (Account suspended)

Dear Welsh Government, please demonstrate by use of recorded documentation that mere legislation can overrule Constitutional and Common Law, as you assert in your response.

Yours faithfully,

Pat James

Welsh Government

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Dear Pat James
Further to your recent requests for information (follow ups), please find
attached a final response.
 
Yours sincerely
 
 
Jamie
Jamie Jenkins
Rheolwr Gwybodaeth/Information Manager
Busnes, Eiddo a Gwasanaethau Proffesiynol (BEGP)/Business, Property and
Professional Services Division (BPPS)
Swyddfa’r Prif Weinidog a Swyddfa’r Cabinet/Office of the First Minister
and Cabinet Office
Llywodraeth Cymru - Welsh Government
 
 
 
On leaving the Government Secure Intranet this email was certified virus
free. Communications via the GSi may be automatically logged, monitored
and/or recorded for legal purposes.
Wrth adael Mewnrwyd Ddiogel y Llywodraeth nid oedd unrhyw feirws yn
gysylltiedig â’r neges hon. Mae’n ddigon posibl y bydd unrhyw ohebiaeth
drwy’r GSi yn cael ei logio, ei monitro a/neu ei chofnodi yn awtomatig am
resymau cyfreithiol.

Pat James (Account suspended) left an annotation ()

From the responses given it is possible to deduce that WAG has no lawful authority to impose a tax of any sort on the inhabitants of Wales.

Andy Smith (Account suspended) left an annotation ()

Vexatious request by a "freeman" on the land.

Common Law Jurisdiction left an annotation ()

Superb Pat. We have it in black and white and they know we are right. That's why we have someone (or a bot) trying to get it removed off the site.

I am the agent for the fictional strawman that was created with the name Kenneth Heskin left an annotation ()

This Andy Smith bloke is obviously a shil

Becky Bbear left an annotation ()

Interested readers:

The Petition of Right 1628 was brought against King Charles the First by Parliament (both houses) and curtailed the right of the Monarch to impose taxes...that's the Monarch, not Parliament itself, which is a kind of important point/difference.

So, in the context of the request, the Petition continues to apply as the foundation for the subsequent legislation enacted by Parliament.

The Petition's history and background can be viewed here -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petition_o....

While its full text can be read here -

http://www.constitution.org/eng/petright....

So, ask yourself when was the last time any Monarch between Charles I and Queen Elizabeth II herself tried to raise taxes for themselves? For those who didn't know, It was the English Civil War and the Monarch lost.

Parliament on the other hand can raise taxes whenever it chooses to - and pass legislation as needed to assist that process, without in any way conflicting with the 1628 Petition.

It always pays to refer directly to the source to really understand something.

Becky

Pat James (Account suspended) left an annotation ()

The essence of the Petition of Right is that only the Westminster Parliament has the authority to impose tax.

Becky Bbear left an annotation ()

Pat:

Which it did by adopting the secondary legislation devolving to the Welsh Assembly certain powers enabling that Assembly to raise its own taxes as described in the original request - without conflicting with the Petition of Right principles.

The answer to the original request would therefore be that no documentation existed authorizing the Assembly to 'ignore, countermand, usurp, repeal or otherwise revoke, The Petition of Right 1628' - because it didn't need to be ignored, countermanded, usurped, repealed or revoked.

Becky