Traffic surveys in West Greenwich before 2007 and between 2007-09

Zoe Todd made this Freedom of Information request to Greenwich Borough Council

The request was successful.

From: Zoe Todd

Dear Greenwich Borough Council,

I would like to have any information you have on levels and composition of traffic running through the West Greenwich Conservation Area (incl Crooms Hill, Hyde Vale, Point Hill, Maidenstone Hill, Royal Hill, Circus Street and the roads connecting them).

I particularly wish to see surveys undertaken before 2007 and surveys between 2007 -09.

Yours faithfully,

Zoe Todd

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From: foi

Dear Zoe Todd

Your Request has been logged as RFI/02605. You may expect a response
within the prescribed 20 working days time period, i.e. by 24th December
2010.

However, please be more specific than "before 2007"; as we cannot
reasonably be expected to look for survey information back into an
unspecified period.

Thanks, -Alan
FOI Coordinator, on behalf of Greenwich Council
4th floor, Riverside House, Woolwich High Street, London SE18 6BU
Tel: 020 8921 5084

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From: Zoe Todd

Dear foi,

Please look between 2004-07 and 2007-09

Thank you

Yours sincerely,

Zoe Todd

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From: Alan Soskin


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Dear Zoe Todd

I write with reference to your Request, as amended, shown below. Our
response is attached.

<<Todd2605_Response.doc>>

Alan Soskin
Corporate Information Manager, Greenwich Council
Human Resources & Organisational Improvement
4th floor, Riverside House, Woolwich High Street, London SE18 6BU
Tel: 020 8921 5084

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From: Zoe Todd

Dear Greenwich Borough Council,

Please pass this on to the person who conducts Freedom of Information reviews.

I am writing to request an internal review of Greenwich Borough Council's handling of my FOI request 'Traffic surveys in West Greenwich before 2007 and between 2007-09'.

The reason given by Greenwich Council is that "the request relates to material which is still in the course of completion, to unfinished documents or to incomplete data”.

How can the results of surveys carried out between 2004-2007 and 2007-2009 be described in this way? By definition, the surveys carried out in those earlier periods are not in the course of completion, unfinished or incomplete as they date from up to 6 years ago.

In the council's response it was suggested that this information only should be made available after a decision which is to be made by the council in Spring 2011 has been made. I can only imagine that this decision refers to the vote on the council's proposed gyratory around Greenwich Town Centre. I fail to see what traffic data from up to 6 years ago on entirely different streets has to do with this decision.

A full history of my FOI request and all correspondence is available on the Internet at this address:
http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/tr...

Yours faithfully,

Zoe Todd

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D Cox left an annotation ()

It is bizarre that the Council have cited Environmental Regulations as a reason for withholding information when under the Freedom of Information Act "any person making a request for information to a public authority is entitled—

(a)to be informed in writing by the public authority whether it holds information of the description specified in the request, and

(b)if that is the case, to have that information communicated to him."

The Council should have treated the request as one made under the Freedom Of Information Act 2000, and provided the information sought.

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From: Zoe Todd

Dear Greenwich Borough Council,

Please acknowledge my request for an internal review, which I sent to you on 7 January.

Yours faithfully,

Zoe Todd

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From: foi

Dear Zoe Todd

Your email dated 7 January 2011 has been received, and an Internal Review
has commenced. You may expect a response within the customary 20 working
days, i.e. by 4th February 2011.

Alan Soskin
Corporate Information Manager, Greenwich Council
Human Resources & Organisational Improvement
4th floor, Riverside House, Woolwich High Street, London SE18 6BU
Tel: 020 8921 5084

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Have you had a response to the internal review?

The reason given for withholding the information (unfinished data) seems unsustainable. Furthermore, the Council would ALSO have to show that release is CONTRARY to the public interest in order to be entitled to withhold its release....that would be very difficult for them to do in the circumstances.

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From: Zoe Todd

Dear foi,

It is now the 7 February and I have had no result of the Internal Review. I require a response urgently.

Yours sincerely,

Zoe Todd

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From: Zoe Todd

Dear Greenwich Borough Council,

It is now the 10 February and there is no word on the results of the internal review.

To assist you, I would like to point out the following:

1) You reject the request for information on the basis that "the request relates to material which is still in the course of completion, to unfinished documents or to incomplete data". This is patently wrong. The surveys I request were completed between 2004-07 and 2007-09.

2) My request for information should be considered under the Freedom of Information Act. It is not clear to me why you invoke the EIR and even so, as noted above, your interpretation of it is wrong.

3) The elected members would not in any way be impaired from their
decision-making by the release of the requested information. It is
absurd to suggest otherwise.

4) Public interest. If, as I believe, the data would show that traffic entering the CA has increased since TfL improved the A2 to the South of Greenwich, then would this not imply that the solutions to some of the rat-running through the area lie within the remit of TfL? It could have had an important impact on the West Greenwich TCM consultation, which has now come and gone while you have indulged in these dilatory tactics. To set up a public consultation and then deliberately withhold information which is of direct relevance to it is not in the public interest.

I require a prompt response.

Yours faithfully,

Zoe Todd

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From: Janice Goldsmith


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Dear Ms Todd,

John Comber has asked me to forward the attached response to you.

Regards, Jan

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From: Zoe Todd

Dear Janice Goldsmith,

Re Request RFI/02605

In your original reply of 22 December 2010, you stated that "the council decision is [to] withhold this information until the Spring of 2011."

It is now the Spring of 2011, and the elected members have made their decision as regards the Pedestrianisation/Gyratory proposals, to which I believe you were referring in your reply.

I therefore would like you to release the information to me, in accordance with your response.

Yours sincerely,

Zoe Todd

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From: Janice Goldsmith

I will be out of the office on Friday 15th April 2011. I will deal with
your message upon my return.

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From: Janice Goldsmith

Dear Ms Todd

Thank you for your e-mail dated 15th April. We have since been informed
by the Information Commissioner's Office in a letter dated 21st March,
under reference number, FER0377160, that you have made an appeal, in
that you allege the information you requested has been unreasonably
refused by the Council. I have been advised by our legal team that you
should have received a copy of this letter also.

Our legal team is currently liasing with the ICO with a view to
resolving this matter informally. I have been advised that the ICO or
our legal team will be contacting you by the 13th May at the very latest
as to what decision has been made.

Regards, Jan

Jan Goldsmith
Assistant Policy Officer
Directorate of Regeneration, Enterprise and Skills
Tel: 020 8921 5384
Email: [email address]

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From: Zoe Todd

Dear Janice Goldsmith,

Thank you for the information which I have now finally received from you. I notice that the earliest traffic data you have sent to me dates from May 2008 and deals with traffic on the main roads (Trafalgar and Romney Roads). All other data affecting minor roads dates from Dec 2008 and Dec 2009.

Can you confirm to me that no traffic data at all was collated concerning the West Greenwich Conservation Area between 2004 and May 2008?

Yours sincerely,

Zoe Todd

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From: Janice Goldsmith

Dear Ms Todd,

Please accept my apologies for the delay in responding to you.

I can confirm that we have no traffic data for the West Greenwich
Conservation Area for the period between 2004 and May 2008.

Regards, Jan

Jan Goldsmith
Assistant Policy Officer
Directorate of Regeneration, Enterprise and Skills
Tel: 020 8921 5384
Email: [email address]

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