Tornado CWS Trials

James Jones made this Freedom of Information request to Ministry of Defence

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Dear Ministry of Defence,

Two reports drawn up by the Air Accident Investigation Branch (AAIB) in 1994 and 2000 (covering Tornado collisions in 1993 and 1999) confirm that between 1994 and 1997 the MOD funded a CWS Technology Demonstrator Programme (TDP) involving flight trials of the equipment, which was to have a detection range of 20 nms. The 2000 AAIB report states that, “The RAF completed a technology demonstration programme in 1997, which concluded that a transponder based system would be technically feasible for its fast jet aircraft. The MOD has since decided to procure a CWS for the Tornado GR4 (an updated variant of the Tornado GR1). The implementation and introduction into service will be dependent upon the selected technical solution but the current planned in service date is 2004”. The 2000 statement fits with the 1998 Strategic Defence Review statement that the GR4 squadrons will be given a new collision warning system early next century.

Can you provide me with,

(a) A copy of the final TDP reort
(b) A copy of the interim TDP report(end of 1994?)
(c) The reasn why the CWS was not fitted prior to 2004, and the person responsible for making that decision.

Yours faithfully,

James Jones

DPAS-ParliBus (MULTIUSER),

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Dear Mr Jones,

 

Please see attached an interim response to your Freedom of Information
request dated 21 January 2014.

Regards,

 

Defence Portfolio & Approvals Secretariat

Dear DPAS-ParliBus (MULTIUSER),

Many thanks for your reply, and I await your follow up.

Yours sincerely,

James Jones

DPAS-ParliBus (MULTIUSER),

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Dear Mr Jones,

 

Further to my letter of 18 February please find attached a final response
to your Freedom of Information request dated 21 January. The report you
have requested will follow in two separate emails due to its size.

 

Many thanks,

 

Defence Portfolio & Approvals Secretariat.

DPAS-ParliBus (MULTIUSER),

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Report part 1.

 

Defence Portfolio & Approvals Secretariat.

DPAS-ParliBus (MULTIUSER),

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Report part 2.

 

Defence Portfolio & Approvals Secretariat.

Dear DPAS-ParliBus (MULTIUSER),

Many thanks for your reply, but your answer to my part (c)is a little confusing. Surely the concept phase took place between 1991 and 1996, and resulted in a satisfactory solution being found. This is endorsed in AAIB report,3/2000, covering the collision between a Tornado GR1 and Cessna 152, which states;

“The RAF completed a technology demonstration programme in 1997, which concluded that a transponder based system would be technically feasible for its fast jet aircraft. The MOD has since decided to procure a CWS for the Tornado GR4 (an updated variant of the Tornado GR1). The implementation and introduction into service will be dependent upon the selected technical solution but the current planned in service date is 2004”

What prevented this solution going forward?

Yours sincerely,

James Jones

Dear DPAS-ParliBus (MULTIUSER),

I refer to your letter dated 17th March, and my response dated 18th March.

It is my understanding that a risk of collision involving fast jets prompted the TDP, and as such the risk should be entered in the risk register. It is a risk which is still present today.

Please could I have a copy of the risk register entries that peratain to this risk, from its intial entry (cira 1990/91) to the end of 2013?

Yours sincerely,

James Jones

DPAS-ParliBus (MULTIUSER),

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Dear Mr Jones,

 

Please find attached a response to your email of 18 March.

 

Many thanks,

 

Defence Portfolio & Approvals Secretariat.

Dear DPAS-ParliBus (MULTIUSER),

With all due respect neither you nor Mr Dunne answered the qusetion.

As a retired Boscombe Down Trials officer I fully understand that the equipment used during the TDP flight trials was not a production model. However, the next stage was to "pull through" to a pruduction equipment, seeing as "The key principle that CWS will operate effectively at closing speeds of up to 1000 knots and produce timely warnings over the specified converging angle was clearly established".

It is clear from the AAIB statement, which you have ignored, a decision was made to proceed, but then curtailed. Can you provide me with;

(1) Details of any meeting which discussed the flight trials report and its recomendations

(2) Details of the recomendation made circa 1999 to procure a CWS with a planned in service date of 2004.

(3) Who decided not to proceed.

Yours sincerely,

James Jones

Air-DRes Sec-ParliBusiness (MULTIUSER),

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Mr Jones

Please find attached aggregated response against the requests you
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Regards

Ian Mathias

Secretariat 3a

HQ Air Command

RAF High Wycombe

 

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DPAS-ParliBus (MULTIUSER),

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Dear Mr Jones,

 

Please find attached a response to your email of 17 April 2014.

 

Many thanks,

 

Defence Portfolio & Approvals Secretariat.

Dear DPAS-ParliBus (MULTIUSER),

Please could I have an update on this FOI as a considerable amount of time has passed since it was made.

I would have thought that this information would have been made available to the Service Investigation into the Moray Firth collision.

Yours sincerely,

James Jones

DPAS-ParliBus (MULTIUSER),

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Dear Mr Jones,

 

Please find attached letter and documents in response to your request of
17 April.

 

Many thanks,

 

Defence Portfolio & Approvals Secretariat.

Dear DPAS-ParliBus (MULTIUSER),

Many thanks for that information. Could you now supply me with the following follow-up information;

(1) Copy of D/DDOR3(Air)(IFF)12, dated 31st Oct 1994 (referred to in Doc 3).

(2) A list of those attending the QinetiQ presentation in April 2002 (referred to in Doc 4).

(3) Copies of the Feasilbilty Study (FS) and Project Definition (PD) reports/outcomes (refered to in Doc 5.

Yours sincerely,

James Jones

DPAS-ParliBus (MULTIUSER),

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Dear Mr Jones,

 

Please find attached letter in response to your letter of 29 June 2014.

 

Many thanks,

 

Defence Portfolio & Approvals Secretariat.