Dear Sir or Madam,

Can you tell me and the public why the MPS refuse to investigate the funding the bbc get from the EU? by doing so they are in fact in breach of the royal charter.

And please also tell me what act(s) grant a police force to choose weather or not to investigate a crime. as its my understanding a police force must investigate every crime reported to them

Yours faithfully,

john

Dear Sir or Madam,

Please pass this on to the person who conducts Freedom of Information reviews.

I am writing to request an internal review of Metropolitan Police Service (MPS)'s handling of my FOI request 'To ask the MPS why they refuse to investigate EU funding the bbc'.

A full history of my FOI request and all correspondence is available on the Internet at this address:
http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/to...

Not one responce from the mps truly shocking
Yours faithfully,

john

Metropolitan Police Service (MPS)

Dear Mr John,

* Freedom of Information Request Reference No: 2009120000928

I write in connection with your letter dated 2 December 2009 requesting
that the Metropolitan Police Service (MPS) review its handling of your
request for information relating to:

* Original FOI request number: 2009120000928

The review will be conducted in accordance to the MPS's complaints
procedure. The MPS endeavour to respond to your complaint by 4 January
2010.

Should you have any further inquiries concerning this matter, please
contact me quoting the reference number above.

Yours sincerely

S. Strong
FOIA Policy Research & Complaints Officer

COMPLAINT RIGHTS

Are you unhappy with how your request has been handled or do you think the
decision is incorrect?

You have the right to require the Metropolitan Police Service (MPS) to
review their decision.

Prior to lodging a formal complaint you are welcome and encouraged to
discuss the decision with the case officer that dealt with your request.

Ask to have the decision looked at again –

The quickest and easiest way to have the decision looked at again is to
telephone the case officer that is nominated at the end of your decision
letter.

That person will be able to discuss the decision, explain any issues and
assist with any problems.

Complaint

If you are dissatisfied with the handling procedures or the decision of
the MPS made under the Freedom of Information Act 2000 (the Act) regarding
access to information you can lodge a complaint with the MPS to have the
decision reviewed.

Complaints should be made in writing and addressed to:

FOI Complaint
Public Access Office
PO Box 57192
London
SW6 1SF

In all possible circumstances the MPS will aim to respond to your
complaint within 40 working days.
The Information Commissioner

After lodging a complaint with the MPS if you are still dissatisfied with
the decision you may make application to the Information Commissioner for
a decision on whether the request for information has been dealt with in
accordance with the requirements of the Act.

For information on how to make application to the Information Commissioner
please visit their website at www.informationcommissioner.gov.uk.
Alternatively, phone or write to:

Information Commissioner's Office
Wycliffe House
Water Lane
Wilmslow
Cheshire
SK9 5AF
Phone: 01625 545 700

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Dear Metropolitan Police Service (MPS),

Is that not irony? a police force breaking the law?? the responce was due on the 3rd with no responce or acknowledgement of receipt of original FOI, A request for internal review prompted a responce you claim to give me the imformation by the 4th of January this is simply not good enough

Yours faithfully,

john

Metropolitan Police Service (MPS)

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Dear John

Freedom of Information Review Reference No: 2009120000928

Further to our email of 9^th December 2009, I am now able to provide a
response to your complaint dated 2nd December 2009 concerning:

* Complaint regarding: 2009110000639

DECISION

The Metropolitan Police Service (MPS) has completed its review and has
decided that the correct procedure was followed in reaching our original
decision.

REASON FOR DECISION

Having review the documents relating to the original request our case file
shows that a reply was sent to you on the 4th of November 2009. I attach a
scanned copy of that reply. It appears that there may have been a
technical error that prevented the email from arriving at its destination.
It is unclear as to where that error occurred during its route to your
mail server unfortunately.

REVIEW OF YOUR REQUEST

I agree with the previous decision and have decided to refuse access to
information you have requested under the provisions of Section 8 of the
Freedom of Information Act 2000.

Section 8 of the Act provides

(1) In this Act any reference to a "request for information" is a
reference to such a request which--

(a) is in writing,
(b) states the name of the applicant and an address for
correspondence, and
(c) describes the information requested.

(2) For the purposes of subsection (1)(a), a request is to be treated as
made in writing where the text of the request--

(a) is transmitted by electronic means,
(b) is received in legible form, and
(c) is capable of being used for subsequent reference

I am not required to process your request without information that can
later be referred to, as per Section 8 (1) (b). The information we require
to make this request valid is your surname.

In order for us to meet your request please resubmit your application in
accordance with the above requirements. If for any reason you are unable
to do so, please contact me for assistance or seek assistance from any
other available source.

COMPLAINT RIGHTS

If you are dissatisfied with this response please read the attached paper
entitled Complaint Rights, which explains how to contact the Information
Commissioner with your complaint.

Should you have any further inquiries concerning this matter, please
contact me on 0207 161 3657 or at the address at the top of this letter,
quoting the reference number above.

Yours sincerely

Julia Wharton
Public Access Office

<<john-response041109.dot>> COMPLAINT RIGHTS

Are you unhappy with how your request has been handled or do you think the
decision is incorrect?

You have the right to require the Metropolitan Police Service (MPS) to
review their decision.

Prior to lodging a formal complaint you are welcome and encouraged to
discuss the decision with the case officer that dealt with your request.

Ask to have the decision looked at again -

The quickest and easiest way to have the decision looked at again is to
telephone the case officer that is nominated at the end of your decision
letter.

That person will be able to discuss the decision, explain any issues and
assist with any problems.

Complaint

If you are dissatisfied with the handling procedures or the decision of
the MPS made under the Freedom of Information Act 2000 (the Act) regarding
access to information you can lodge a complaint with the MPS to have the
decision reviewed.

Complaints should be made in writing and addressed to:

FOI Complaint

Public Access Office

PO Box 57192

London

SW6 1SF

In all possible circumstances the MPS will aim to respond to your
complaint within 40 working days.

The Information Commissioner

After lodging a complaint with the MPS if you are still dissatisfied with
the decision you may make application to the Information Commissioner for
a decision on whether the request for information has been dealt with in
accordance with the requirements of the Act.

For information on how to make application to the Information Commissioner
please visit their website at [1]www.informationcommissioner.gov.uk.
Alternatively, phone or write to:

Information Commissioner's Office

Wycliffe House

Water Lane

Wilmslow

Cheshire

SK9 5AF

Phone: 01625 545 700

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Dear Metropolitan Police Service (MPS),

Why submit a file for download when it dose not work?
And why section 8 i have provided you with everything needed to conduct the FOI if not would you like to be a bit more clear on what you claim to need?

As for an error thats comical but yet as soon as i want an internal reveiw you get that email...is that not odd
Yours faithfully,

john

Metropolitan Police Service (MPS)

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Dear John

Please find attached a different copy of the previously attached file.
As stated in my response to you in order for us to process your request,
it must be a valid request under Section 8 of the Freedom of Information
Act. Please see the below link to the ICO guidance on this subject:

http://www.ico.gov.uk/upload/documents/l...
tailed_specialist_guides/name_of_applicant_fop083_v1.pdf

As explained to you in our last email if you wish to take this further
please contact the ICO.

Yours sincerely

Julia Wharton
Public Access Office

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Dear Metropolitan Police Service (MPS),

Wow what a fast reply thank you but im afraid there's still a problem the file wont open with the document viewer it says it is unable to load graphics conversion

So can you send the original and not a copy :)other wise were going to go round in circles,as for the section 8 im sure your aware an email address is fine for FOI request of course you failed to say what exactly it was that is stopping you from providing the info

Sincerely and without ill will, vexation or frivolity,

john: of the Douglas family
WITHOUT PREJUDICE, i.e. all Natural Inalienable Rights Reserved
Please address all future correspondence in the matter to a direct
Human Self, namely john: of the Douglas family, as commonly called.

Metropolitan Police Service (MPS)

Dear John

Unfortunately there is no other way of sending the attachment unless you
would kindly provide me with an alternative email address to send it to
or telephone us and provide a physical address we could send the copy to
via Royal Mail.

If you wish to make your request valid you should now send in a new
request with your name in full (i.e John Douglas) and it will be process
accordingly.

Unfortunately the email address you have provided us does not give us a
valid name.

Regards

Julia

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Dear Metropolitan Police Service (MPS),

An email address dose not have to contain a full name in order to achieve an FOI what an absurd excuse funny how other FOI's have went ahead with no problems,duggie refers to a nickname from my family name douglas and thats good enough should you wish to stall anymore please feel free while i submit a complaint to the information commissioner

john: of the Douglas family
WITHOUT PREJUDICE, i.e. all Natural Inalienable Rights Reserved
Please address all future correspondence in the matter to a direct
Human Self, namely john: of the Douglas family, as commonly called.

Metropolitan Police Service (MPS)

Dear John of the Douglas Family

Thank you for your email.

I will now resubmit this as a new request with the receipt date of
today.

Your request for review has now been closed.

Yours sincerely

Julia Wharton
Public Access Office

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Metropolitan Police Service (MPS)

Dear Mr Douglas,

Freedom of Information Request Reference No: 2009120002415
I write in connection with your request for information which was received
by the Metropolitan Police Service (MPS) on 10/12/2009. I note you seek
access to the following information:

* "Can you tell me and the public why the MPS refuse to investigate the
funding the bbc get from the EU? by doing so they are in fact in
breach of the royal charter.
* And please also tell me what act(s) grant a police force to choose
weather or not to investigate a crime. as its my understanding a
police force must investigate every crime reported to them"

Your request will now be considered in accordance with the Freedom of
Information Act 2000 (the Act). You will receive a response within
the statutory timescale of 20 working days as defined by the Act,
subject to the information not being exempt or containing a reference
to a third party. In some circumstances the MPS may be unable to
achieve this deadline. If this is likely you will be informed and
given a revised time-scale at the earliest opportunity.

Some requests may also require either full or partial transference to
another public authority in order to answer your query in the fullest
possible way. Again, you will be informed if this is the case.

COMPLAINT RIGHTS

Your attention is drawn to the attached sheet, which details your
right of complaint.

Should you have any further enquiries concerning this matter, please
write or contact Katie London on telephone number 02071613907 quoting
the reference number above.

Yours sincerely

Katie London
Policy and Support Officer
COMPLAINT RIGHTS

Are you unhappy with how your request has been handled or do you think
the decision is incorrect?

You have the right to require the Metropolitan Police Service (MPS) to
review their decision.

Prior to lodging a formal complaint you are welcome and encouraged to
discuss the decision with the case officer that dealt with your
request.

Ask to have the decision looked at again –

The quickest and easiest way to have the decision looked at again is
to telephone the case officer that is nominated at the end of your
decision letter.

That person will be able to discuss the decision, explain any issues
and assist with any problems.

Complaint

If you are dissatisfied with the handling procedures or the decision
of the MPS made under the Freedom of Information Act 2000 (the Act)
regarding access to information you can lodge a complaint with the MPS
to have the decision reviewed.

Complaints should be made in writing and addressed to:

FOI Complaint
Public Access Office
PO Box 57192
London
SW6 1SF

In all possible circumstances the MPS will aim to respond to your
complaint within 40 working days.
The Information Commissioner

After lodging a complaint with the MPS if you are still dissatisfied
with the decision you may make application to the Information
Commissioner for a decision on whether the request for information has
been dealt with in accordance with the requirements of the Act.

For information on how to make application to the Information
Commissioner please visit their website at
www.informationcommissioner.gov.uk. Alternatively, phone or write to:

Information Commissioner's Office
Wycliffe House
Water Lane
Wilmslow
Cheshire
SK9 5AF
Phone: 01625 545 700

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Dear Metropolitan Police Service (MPS),

No im sorry this just is not good enough the request was submitted on the 4th of November it is now the 1o of December after all the nonsense of refusing to deal with me due to an email address that dose not have my name in it. what a sudden change of heart or was it the fact there was a complaint lodged with the information commissioner and you have become aware of that?

I demand a response within 1 week ( seven days ) i think thats fair after the treatment i have received from you.

as far as im concerned the internal review is not finished i wish to know why you think you can choose to deny information on the grounds of an email address that dose not contain my name
When it clearly states an email address is sufficient with or without the persons name,and why it took so long for anyone to acknowledge my FOI-R until such times as i pointed out you were in fact breaking the law.

Although you did claim an error there were no error's listed on this site for this FOI nor has there been any since you acknowledged receipt of the request for an internal review

Metropolitan Police Service (MPS)

Dear John of the Douglas Family

As stated in my email to you on 10th December 2009 I have now concluded
my review of this particular request. A new request was lodged the same
day an acknowledgement letter was issued to you by Katie London for this
new request on 10th December 2009 given the reference number
2009120002415 and you will receive a response within the statutory
timescale of 20 working days as defined by the Act.

If you would like to make a complaint about how your review was handled
you are at liberty to contact the ICO. Details of how to do this have
been previously given to you.

Yours sincerely

Julia Wharton
Public Access Office

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Dear Metropolitan Police Service (MPS),
What and insult despite a complaint lodged to IC you claim to deal with it in another 21 days nonsence i want it within a week it is not my fault you or the force were petty enough to complain about my email adress.

Please provide me with evidence of the internal review

Yours faithfully,

john

Metropolitan Police Service (MPS)

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Dear Mr John of the Douglas Family

I have tried twice to send you the information.

Please find attached an alternative format for the response that was
sent to you on 4th November. This is my third attempt to send it. I have
checked the link from whatdotheyknow.com and the download link does work
and the file is not corrupt. This one is in Jpg format which should be
read my most computers. If you are unable to view this, then you will
need to provide me with an alternative physical address I can send a
copy to you by Royal Mail. I believe my attempts to send you this
documentation have been reasonable and if you are not able to view this
file attached then I will await you informing me of an alternative
address.

As stated in my previous email to you earlier today: A new request was
lodged the someday an acknowledgement letter was issued to you by Katie
London for this new request on 10th December 2009 given the reference
number 2009120002415 and you will receive a response within the
statutory timescale of 20 working days as defined by the Act. If you
wish to complain about the calculation of how long we deal with this
request then please request a review once the 20 working days have
elapsed. Once the review is complete, if you are still not satisfied
with our response you should then contact the ICO.

Yours sincerely

Julia Wharton
Public Access Office

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Metropolitan Police Service (MPS)

1 Attachment

Part 2 of your original response in jpg format.

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Metropolitan Police Service (MPS)

Dear Mr Douglas,

Freedom of Information Request Reference No: 2009120002415
I respond in connection with your request for information dated 10th
December 2009 which was received by the Metropolitan Police Service (MPS)
on the same date. I note you seek access to the following information:

1) Can you tell me and the public why the MPS refuse to investigate the
funding the bbc get from the EU? by doing so they are in fact in breach of
the royal charter.

2) And please also tell me what act(s) grant a police force to choose
weather or not to investigate a crime. as its my understanding a police
force must investigate every crime reported to them.

DECISION

I will answer your questions in turn.

At question 1 you asked:
1) Can you tell me and the public why the MPS refuse to investigate the
funding the bbc get from the EU? by doing so they are in fact in breach of
the royal charter.

The MPS response is:

In accordance with the Act, this letter represents a Refusal Notice for
this particular request under Section 17(4).

Section 17(4) of the Act provides:

(4) A public authority is not obliged to make a statement under subsection
(1)(c) or (3) if, or to the extent that, the statement would involve the
disclosure of information which would itself be exempt information.

The Metropolitan Police Service can neither confirm nor deny that it holds
the information you requested as the duty in Section 1(1)(a) of the
Freedom of Information Act 2000 does not apply, by virtue of the following
exemptions:

Section 30(3) - Investigations and proceedings conducted by public
authorities

However, this should not be taken as necessarily indicating that any
information that would meet your request exists or does not exist.

At question 2 you asked:
2) And please also tell me what act(s) grant a police force to choose
weather or not to investigate a crime. as its my understanding a police
force must investigate every crime reported to them.

The MPS response is:

Please note that all incidents that are recorded as crimes, as per the
National Crime Recording Standard, will receive an initial investigation
known as a 'primary investigation'. The MPS Crime Screening Policy will
then apply and will be used to determine whether any further (secondary)
investigation will take place.

Please see below a link to the National Crime Recording Standard and the
Home Office Counting Rules:

http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/recorde...

[1]http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/countru...

Please also see the MPS policy on the minimum standards for the primary
investigation of crime:

[2]http://www.met.police.uk/foi/pdfs/polici...

COMPLAINT RIGHTS

Your attention is drawn to the attached sheet which details your right of
complaint.

Should you have any further enquiries concerning this matter, please write
or contact me on telephone number 020 7230 2372 quoting the reference
number above.

Yours sincerely,

James Young
SCD Information Manager
COMPLAINT RIGHTS

Are you unhappy with how your request has been handled or do you think the
decision is incorrect?

You have the right to require the Metropolitan Police Service (MPS) to
review their decision.

Prior to lodging a formal complaint you are welcome and encouraged to
discuss the decision with the case officer that dealt with your request.

Ask to have the decision looked at again ***

The quickest and easiest way to have the decision looked at again is to
telephone the case officer that is nominated at the end of your decision
letter.

That person will be able to discuss the decision, explain any issues and
assist with any problems.

Complaint

If you are dissatisfied with the handling procedures or the decision of
the MPS made under the Freedom of Information Act 2000 (the Act) regarding
access to information you can lodge a complaint with the MPS to have the
decision reviewed.

Complaints should be made in writing and addressed to:

FOI Complaint
Public Access Office
PO Box 57192
London
SW6 1SF

In all possible circumstances the MPS will aim to respond to your
complaint within 40 working days.
The Information Commissioner

After lodging a complaint with the MPS if you are still dissatisfied with
the decision you may make application to the Information Commissioner for
a decision on whether the request for information has been dealt with in
accordance with the requirements of the Act.

For information on how to make application to the Information Commissioner
please visit their website at www.informationcommissioner.gov.uk.
Alternatively, phone or write to:

Information Commissioner's Office
Wycliffe House
Water Lane
Wilmslow
Cheshire
SK9 5AF
Phone: 01625 545 700

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