The PM's misleading conference speech, re sickness benefit claimants

P. Smith made this Freedom of Information request to Prime Minister’s Office

Prime Minister’s Office did not have the information requested.

From: P. Smith

12 October 2011

Dear Prime Minister’s Office,

David Cameron managed to smuggle a misleading two-liner under the
wire, about sickness benefit claimants, in his recent speech to the
Conservative Party faithful on October 5th 2011.

Quote: “We've got to get some sense back into our labour market and
get British people back into work. For years you've been conned by
governments. To keep the unemployment figures down, they've parked
as many people as possible on the sick. Two and a half million, to
be exact. Not officially unemployed, but claiming welfare, no
questions asked. Now we're asking those questions. It turns out
that of the 1.3 million people who have put in a claim for the new
sickness benefit in recent years. One million are either able to
work, or stopped their claim before their medical assessment had
been completed.”

I would like to know please:

Could you please confirm where David Cameron got these figures?

Has David Cameron never read the following documents, for example,
about the deeply flawed Work Capability Assessment?

The Harrington Review
http://www.dwp.gov.uk/policy/welfare-ref...

The Citizen’s Advice Bureau Report
http://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/press_2...

Disability Alliance / Disability Consortium response to the
Harrington Review
http://www.disabilityalliance.org/dbchar...

There are plenty of claimant's accounts on the internet to
illustrate how they have been treated at a WCA, and the negative
effect it has had on their already poor health.
Has he read any of them?
Does David cameron consider them all to be liars?

Why did so many people REALLY stop their claim?

Why did David Cameron not include the figures for successful
appeals against these WCA / ESA decisions on the Department for
Work and Pensions own website? Or doesn’t he check out official
statistics?

Isn’t HE hypocritically CONNING us with his statement which leaves
out the appeal statistics?

Yours faithfully,

Pat.

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From: P. Smith

13 October 2011

Dear Prime Minister’s Office,

David Cameron's speech is on record, therefore I would like to see
the official sources / statistics please that he used to inform his
speech, and which he quoted as if true and official, so they must
be on record somewhere.

Where did his figures otherwise come from???????

Again, I would like the answers to these questions please:

Could you please confirm where David Cameron got his figures?

Did David Cameron read the following documents?

The Harrington Review
http://www.dwp.gov.uk/policy/welfare-ref...

The Citizen’s Advice Bureau Report
http://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/press_2...

Disability Alliance / Disability Consortium response to the
Harrington Review
http://www.disabilityalliance.org/dbchar...

Many thanks,

Yours faithfully,

[P. Smith]

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From: P. Smith

20 October 2011

Dear Prime Minister’s Office,

Please pass this on to the person who conducts Freedom of
Information reviews.

I am writing to request an internal review of Prime Minister’s
Office's handling of my FOI request 'The PM's misleading conference
speech, re sickness benefit claimants'.

My reasons are that:

Evasion of my very clear direct request. I need a straightforward
factual / evidential answer.

Many genuine benefit claimants are currently being treated
unjustly, AND blamed / stigmatised / scapegoated at the same time,
therefore this is of national importance.

The PM is perpetuating this injustice by the innacurate information
contained in his conference speech.

A full history of my FOI request and all correspondence is
available on the Internet at this address:
http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/th...

Yours faithfully,

[P. Smith]

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From: P. Smith

21 October 2011

Dear Prime Minister’s Office,

This link is very pertinent:-
MENCAP NEWS: FAILED BENEFIT CLAIMS MISLEADING:
http://www.mencap.org.uk/news/article/fa...

and other relevant links:-

MENCAP & HARDEST HIT:
http://www.mencap.org.uk/news/article/di...

THE HARDEST HIT
http://thehardesthit.wordpress.com/

DISABILITY ALLIANCE re unclaimed benefits
http://www.disabilityalliance.org/damani...

Yours faithfully,

[P. Smith]

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From: P. Smith

23 November 2011

Dear Prime Minister’s Office,

To me it is a distraction to talk of Mr Cameron as either Leader of
the Conservatives or as Prime Minister - he is the same man, and he
fills both roles, and this man slipped in a VERY misleading
statement into his speech.

How do I then challenge David Cameron the man, regarding his
sources and research and as to the truth (or not) of his speech?

Thank you,

Yours faithfully,

[P. Smith].

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From: P. Smith

24 November 2011

Dear Prime Minister’s Office,

http://www.latentexistence.me.uk/tag/esa/

Yours faithfully,

[P. Smith]

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From: P. Smith

24 November 2011

Dear Prime Minister’s Office,

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-15801515

Yours faithfully,

[P. Smith]

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Prime Minister’s Office

29 November 2011

Dear [P. Smith],

 

Thank you for your email of 23 November 2011.  You may wish to consider
writing to David Cameron c/o the Conservative Party. You will be able to
find the contact details at [1]www.conservatives.com.

 

Regards,

 

John Jenkins

Head of Openness Team

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From: P. Smith

3 December 2011

Dear Prime Minister’s Office,

I presume that this means that my FOI request is being refused?

It seems bizarre that during the Conservative Party conference,
David Cameron ceases to be Prime Minister.

Yours faithfully,

[P. Smith]

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From: P. Smith

4 December 2011

Dear Prime Minister’s Office,

I do not wish to use the general email form that is on this web
site, ( www.conservatives.com ) as it demands too many personal
details of the public.

Please supply a proper email address.

Many thanks.

Yours faithfully,

[P. Smith]

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Prime Minister’s Office

5 December 2011

Dear [P. Smith],

The Cabinet Office has no control over the details that an external sites asks correspondents to supply. However, if you do not wish to provide the details they request you might telephone using the number provided on the website.

I'm afraid I can do no more to assist you in finding the information you seek.

Regards,

John Jenkins
Head of Openness Team
Knowledge and Information Management Unit (Openness team)
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Tel: 020 7276 6322
email: [email address]

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From: [P. Smith] [mailto:[FOI #89313 email]]
Sent: 04 December 2011 13:55
To: Jenkins John - Knowledge and Information Management (CSG) (Cabinet Office)
Subject: Re: FOI15383

Dear Prime Minister’s Office,

I do not wish to use the general email form that is on this web
site, ( www.conservatives.com ) as it demands too many personal
details of the public.

Please supply a proper email address.

Many thanks.

Yours faithfully,

[P. Smith]

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Dear [P. Smith],

 

Thank you for your email of 23 November 2011.  You may wish to
consider
writing to David Cameron c/o the Conservative Party. You will be
able to
find the contact details at [1]www.conservatives.com.

 

Regards,

 

John Jenkins

Head of Openness Team

Knowledge and Information Management Unit (Openness team)

Admiralty Arch,  London   SW1A 2WH

 

Tel: 020 7276 6322

email: [2][email address]

 

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From: P. Smith

5 December 2011

Dear Prime Minister’s Office,

Please pass this on to the person who conducts Freedom of
Information reviews.

I am writing to request an internal review of Prime Minister’s
Office's handling of my FOI request 'The PM's misleading conference
speech, re sickness benefit claimants'.

A full history of my FOI request and all correspondence is
available on the Internet at this address:
http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/th...

Yours faithfully,

[P. Smith]

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Dear [P. Smith],

Response to your request for an Internal Review of FOI315383 was sent to you on 23 November 2011 under the reference IR315383 (attached for convenience).

The Cabinet Office thereafter received your email dated 23 November 2011 stating the following:

"To me it is a distraction to talk of Mr Cameron as either Leader of
the Conservatives or as Prime Minister - he is the same man, and he
fills both roles, and this man slipped in a VERY misleading
statement into his speech.

How do I then challenge David Cameron the man, regarding his
sources and research and as to the truth (or not) of his speech?"

As the response to your email dated 23 November 2011, the Cabinet Office would like to reinstate that the Freedom of Information Act applies to information that actually exists - it does not require public authorities to create information in order to respond to questions.

I am sorry that this is not what you are seeking but we do not hold anything else that is relevant. In this context, I suggest that requesting information under the FOI Act is not the right mechanism to find information that you are after. You may have more success writing to the Prime Minister, c/o the Conservative Party, either directly or through your MP.

Yours Sincerely,

FOI Team
Knowledge and Information Management (CSG)
Room 1.35 |Admiralty Arch |London SW1A 2WH
Email: [Number 10 request email]

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From: [P. Smith] <[FOI #89313 email]>
Sent: 05 December 2011 16:51
To: FOI Team - KIM (Cabinet Office) <[email address]>
Subject: Internal review of Freedom of Information request - The PM's misleading conference speech, re sickness benefit claimants

Dear Prime Minister's Office,

Please pass this on to the person who conducts Freedom of
Information reviews.

I am writing to request an internal review of Prime Minister's
Office's handling of my FOI request 'The PM's misleading conference
speech, re sickness benefit claimants'.

A full history of my FOI request and all correspondence is
available on the Internet at this address:
http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/th...

Yours faithfully,

[P. Smith]

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From: P. Smith

14 December 2011

Dear Prime Minister’s Office,

Re: "As the response to your email dated 23 November 2011, the
Cabinet Office would like to reinstate that the Freedom of
Information Act applies to information that actually exists - it
does not require public authorities to create information in order
to respond to questions."

If David Cameron (PM AND Leader of the Conservatives) was happy &
confident enough to directly imply - to a wide public audience -
that many (as it turns out - see the appeal stats. GENUINE)
sickness benefit applicants had been making false claims or being
scroungers etc. so his speech must have been based on a solid
existing information source.

What was it please? What research did he do for this part of his
speech?

I am not asking you to create anything, just for the information
source he used for his sweeping (inaccurate) accusation. (Although
a retraction and apology to those thus slandered would be justice
however.)

Many thanks,

Yours faithfully,

[P. Smith].

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Prime Minister’s Office

15 December 2011

Dear [P. Smith]

I am sorry but we cannot help you. There is a very clear distinction between what the Prime Minister says in his government capacity, where his research is carried out by Civil Servants, and what he says at the Conservative Party Conference, where Civil Servants are prohibited by law from helping him with purely political issues. We do not therefore know what research he did which is why we suggested that you write to him c/o the Conservative party.

Regards

FOI Team
Knowledge and Information Management (CSG)
Room 1.35 |Admiralty Arch |London SW1A 2WH
Tel: 0207 276 0601
Email: [Number 10 request email]

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From: [P. Smith] [mailto:[FOI #89313 email]]
Sent: 14 December 2011 16:04
To: FOI Team - KIM (Cabinet Office)
Subject: RE: Internal review of Freedom of Information request - The PM's misleading conference speech, re sickness benefit claimants

Dear Prime Minister’s Office,

Re: "As the response to your email dated 23 November 2011, the
Cabinet Office would like to reinstate that the Freedom of
Information Act applies to information that actually exists - it
does not require public authorities to create information in order
to respond to questions."

If David Cameron (PM AND Leader of the Conservatives) was happy &
confident enough to directly imply - to a wide public audience -
that many (as it turns out - see the appeal stats. GENUINE)
sickness benefit applicants had been making false claims or being
scroungers etc. so his speech must have been based on a solid
existing information source.

What was it please? What research did he do for this part of his
speech?

I am not asking you to create anything, just for the information
source he used for his sweeping (inaccurate) accusation. (Although
a retraction and apology to those thus slandered would be justice
however.)

Many thanks,

Yours faithfully,

[P. Smith].

-----Original Message-----

Dear [P. Smith],

Response to your request for an Internal Review of FOI315383 was
sent to you on 23 November 2011 under the reference IR315383
(attached for convenience).

The Cabinet Office thereafter received your email dated 23 November
2011 stating the following:

"To me it is a distraction to talk of Mr Cameron as either Leader
of
the Conservatives or as Prime Minister - he is the same man, and
he
fills both roles, and this man slipped in a VERY misleading
statement into his speech.

How do I then challenge David Cameron the man, regarding his
sources and research and as to the truth (or not) of his speech?"

As the response to your email dated 23 November 2011, the Cabinet
Office would like to reinstate that the Freedom of Information Act
applies to information that actually exists - it does not require
public authorities to create information in order to respond to
questions.

I am sorry that this is not what you are seeking but we do not hold
anything else that is relevant. In this context, I suggest that
requesting information under the FOI Act is not the right mechanism
to find information that you are after. You may have more success
writing to the Prime Minister, c/o the Conservative Party, either
directly or through your MP.

Yours Sincerely,

FOI Team
Knowledge and Information Management (CSG)
Room 1.35 |Admiralty Arch |London SW1A 2WH
Email: [Number 10 request email]

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From: P. Smith

22 December 2011

Dear Prime Minister’s Office,

It seems that the PM is not actually the PM when he is addressing
the Conservative Party Conference, yet he used this platform for
sending out a false message which he knew would be broadcast far
and wide...

Yours faithfully,

[P. Smith]

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Mr Jones left an annotation (27 December 2011)

Quote-marks Mr Cameron is a liar.

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From: P. Smith

29 December 2011

Dear Prime Minister’s Office,

Re: "There is a very clear distinction between what the Prime
Minister says in his government capacity, where his research is
carried out by Civil Servants, and what he says at the Conservative
Party Conference, where Civil Servants are prohibited by law from
helping him with purely political issues."

Presumably the PM was aware of this distinction?

What does your response to my FoI imply?

If he had been making a speech about sickness benefit claimants in
his capacity as PM, what research / facts / stats. would the Civil
Servants have supplied him with regarding his particular assertion?
Would it have contradicted his claims in his speech to the
conservative party conference?

How come he was allowed to misinform people at the Conservative
Party conference, and all those who viewed it on TV etc.?

Are there no official checks / rules on misinformation?

Yours faithfully,

[P. Smith]

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From: P. Smith

29 December 2011

Dear Prime Minister’s Office,

Re: The PM's misleading speech to the Conservative Party
Conference:
Quote: “We've got to get some sense back into our labour market and
get British people back into work. For years you've been conned by
governments. To keep the unemployment figures down, they've parked
as many people as possible on the sick. Two and a half million, to
be exact. Not officially unemployed, but claiming welfare, no
questions asked. Now we're asking those questions. It turns out
that of the 1.3 million people who have put in a claim for the new
sickness benefit in recent years. One million are either able to
work, or stopped their claim before their medical assessment had
been completed.”

Do you know if David Cameron intends to apologise to the sick,
vulnerable and disabled people that he completely misrepresented /
maligned in his speech, and change the current entirely negative
policy towards the sick, disabled and vulnerable, in the light of
his facts being completely wrong on this point?

Newspapers have to print retractions when they print a clear
fasehood, why cannot he?

Why are you trying so very hard to distance yourselves from the
clear and knowing untruth in his speech, and dodge answering my
FoI?

Kind regards,

[P. Smith].

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From: P. Smith

9 January 2012

Dear Prime Minister’s Office,

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/...

Yours faithfully,

[P. Smith]

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From: P. Smith

9 January 2012

Dear Prime Minister’s Office,

http://www.leftfootforward.org/2011/08/d...

Yours faithfully,

[P. Smith]

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Prime Minister’s Office

10 January 2012


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Dear [P. Smith]

 

Both the Ministerial Code and the Civil Service Code – which are enshrined
in law prevent civil servants from supporting the Prime Minister (or any
other Minister) or purely party political issues.  Whatever research was
done for David Cameron’s party conference speech would have been carried
out by the Conservative Party and not by any official within No 10 or the
Cabinet Office – we simply do not know from where he obtained his
information and have no way of finding out.  The Freedom of Information
Act applies to information that actually exists – it does not require
public authorities to create information in order to respond to questions.
 The only possible thing you can do to compare and contrast his statements
with official government figures is to seek to obtain the latter from the
Department of Work and Pensions – you may be able to do this by consulting
their website [1]www.dwp.gov.uk . 

Please note, we will not be responding further on this issue.

 

Andy

Andy Gilbert

Head of Information Management Compliance

Cabinet Office, Knowledge & Information Management Unit

Room 1.35, Admiralty Arch

(020 7) 276 0118

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P. Smith left an annotation (11 January 2012)

Quote-marks The Spartacus Report.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/articl...

Even the Daily Mail is disapproving of the government's callous dishonesty.

http://diaryofabenefitscrounger.blogspot...

http://www.ekklesia.co.uk/node/16017

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P. Smith left an annotation (11 January 2012)

Quote-marks http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-...

The full report, 'Responsible Reform' is being made available online at Ekklesia and elsewhere. See: http://www.ekklesia.co.uk/responsibleref...

An easy-read version has been made available by United Response here: http://bit.ly/xy0elw

The Spartacus twibbon: http://twibbon.com/join/spartacusreport

The Guardian article by Sue Marsh, 'Disabled people listened to on welfare plans? It's a goverernment sham' - http://tinyurl.com/7skv7rc

The Broken of Britain: http://thebrokenofbritain.blogspot.com/

Diary of a Benefit Scrounger: http://diaryofabenefitscrounger.blogspot...

Press release here: http://www.ekklesia.co.uk/node/16008

Tweeting with the hashtag #spartacusreport and use that tag to follow what is going on

DLA coverage from Ekklesia: http://www.ekklesia.co.uk/disabilitylivi...

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P. Smith left an annotation (12 January 2012)

Quote-marks It sound to me as if you are conveniently or embarrassedly distancing yourselves from the PM's misleading / untrue utterances.

"Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 23:21:10 +0000
Subject: Internal review of Freedom of Information request - The PM's misleading conference speech, re sickness benefit claimants
From: [FOI #89313 email]
To: [email address]

Dear Prime Minister’s Office,

Re: "There is a very clear distinction between what the Prime Minister says in his government capacity, where his research is carried out by Civil Servants, and what he says at the Conservative Party Conference, where Civil Servants are prohibited by law from
helping him with purely political issues."

Presumably the PM was aware of this distinction?

What does your response to my FoI imply?

If he had been making a speech about sickness benefit claimants in his capacity as PM, what research / facts / stats. would the Civil Servants have supplied him with regarding his particular assertion?
Would it have contradicted his claims in his speech to the conservative party conference?

How come he was allowed to misinform people at the Conservative Party conference, and all those who viewed it on TV etc.?

Are there no official checks / rules on misinformation?

Yours faithfully,

Pat Smith

-----Original Message-----

Dear Pat Smith

I am sorry but we cannot help you. There is a very clear distinction between what the Prime Minister says in his government capacity, where his research is carried out by Civil Servants, and what he says at the Conservative Party Conference, where Civil Servants are prohibited by law from helping him with purely
political issues. We do not therefore know what research he did which is why we suggested that you write to him c/o the Conservative party.

Regards

FOI Team
Knowledge and Information Management (CSG)
Room 1.35 |Admiralty Arch |London SW1A 2WH
Tel: 0207 276 0601
Email: [Number 10 request email]"

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P. Smith left an annotation (19 January 2012)

Quote-marks Regarding: response from Kevin Morris
Prime Minister’s Office of 13 October 2011.

Dear Kevin, I would not call it a "view" or a "comment", I would call it a downright LIE.
It is NOT based on any actual FACTS and FIGURES, but is entirely subjective and completely unreliable.

A big fat porky pie. This is unethical, immoral and unsavoury.

It is also unbecoming of the Prime Minister's Office to try to cover up or distract from this lie.

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P. Smith left an annotation (19 January 2012)

Quote-marks " David Cameron: the master of cynical propaganda

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/...

Cameron could blow Machiavelli out of the water. If he penned a book revealing his tactics, here's what it might include ... by Owen Jones
guardian.co.uk, Friday 13 January 2012 10.47 GMT

David 'Cameron is going where Thatcher never even dared on cuts and the NHS.'
" When David Cameron tires of this prime minister lark (don't feel you have to take your time, Dave), he should write a self-help book for aspiring rightwing politicians. It could be titled I Got Away With It – And Here's How You Can Too. I can think of some of the promo lines: "Are you a passionate believer in free-market economics who has been lumbered with the biggest crisis of capitalism since the 1930s?" "Are you keen to turn a crisis that looks like the death knell of all you believe in into your greatest opportunity yet?"

Since Lehman Brothers went under, I've watched in awe as the right transformed a crisis of the market into a crisis of public spending. Even as a battery of cuts suck jobs and growth out of the economy, Cameron's Tories still define the political debate. Despite winning just 36% of the vote, they look increasingly like Britain's third radically transformative government since the war – the other two being the Attlee and Thatcher administrations.

How are they getting away with it? Having a supine media and an opposition still lacking a coherent alternative helps. But I have to hand it to them: this government has one of the most effective propaganda machines of modern times. If Cameron was to pen a book explaining his secrets, he could blow Machiavelli's The Prince out of the water. While he mulls it over, I'll suggest some key tips.

First, revise the past. Cameron's Tories have driven it into our skulls that we have a deficit because Labour indulged in the most shameless spending spree since Imelda Marcos's shoe collection. Collapsing tax revenues and soaring unemployment never get a mention. But, above all, Cameron has managed to make us forget that he backed Labour's spending plans until the end of 2008. In July 2007, for example, he referred back to Thatcher and argued: "It is not now necessary in the same way to mend Britain's broken economy, but it is absolutely necessary to mend Britain's broken society." At the time he expressed few serious concerns about New Labour's economic management, leading to accusations he was acting as a mere thinktank for Gordon Brown's government.

Second, demonise anyone in receipt of public money. If unemployed or disabled people are just a faceless mass of scroungers, for example, who cares if their benefits are cut? The press certainly helps: this week's Sunday Times featured the headline "End the something for nothing culture", above a picture of the Gallagher family from the comedy-drama Shameless. According to the tagline, the entirely fictional Gallaghers "typify the 'money for nothing' culture". Other grotesque caricatures from TV – such as Vicky Pollard and Wayne and Waynette Slob – are also being wheeled out by journalists as supposedly accurate portrayals. Sitcoms and sketch shows are being used as political devices to hack slices off the welfare state. But it is being fuelled by government rhetoric on benefits. "If we want them to tap dance, then they will tap dance," a Whitehall official is quoted in the Sunday Times piece as saying of benefit recipients. It's a callous attempt to strip unemployed people of their humanity, but it works.

There's a similar approach with public sector workers. Instead of being people who teach kids, treat people with cancer and empty bins, they become "vested interests" and parasites on the taxpayer. It becomes so much easier, then, to make the case that they should cough up to pay off the deficit.

Third, clothe radical ideas in the language of moderation. Thatcher had an abrasive style, to say the least: all that "the enemy within", "no such thing as society" and "No! No! No!" From the outset, a coalition can easily present itself as inherently consensual and full of compromise. But Cameron is going where Thatcher never even dared – on cuts and the NHS, for example – and yet seems far more reasonable than his party's adored Iron Lady. As opposition leader, Cameron galavanted around the Arctic with huskies, got mocked for wanting to "hug a hoodie" and replaced the Tory logo with a tree. He uses the language of the "centre ground" – a term politicians of all stripes use to define their policies as normal, sane and moderate, and anybody who believes differently is so politically unhinged they're not even worth engaging with.

The biggest cuts since the 1920s become a regrettable, unavoidable means of slashing the deficit, rather than a desirable attempt to drive back the state. But we know both Nick Clegg and Cameron are ideologically committed to such an agenda. When Clegg was elected Liberal Democrat leader in December 2007, he made a Reaganite pitch for an "alternative to the discredited politics of big government". In October 2009, Cameron argued that "government got too big", and before the election, he argued that the cuts should remain in place even when the crisis was over. But, on the whole, the government has convinced a sizeable chunk of the population that it's just cleaning up Labour's mess, not engaging in an all-out ideological crusade.

Fourth, use common-sense language. David Cameron loves the term common sense, arguing repeatedly for a "common-sense revolution" and "common-sense Conservatism". The deficit is compared to a household budget: a fallacy that would have failed him his economics exam at Oxford. But it strips the politics out of a deeply politically charged offensive, and relates it to the everyday experiences of voters.

Of course, these are just suggestions, and I don't want to steal Cameron's thunder. But there's no doubt that this government is delivering a masterclass in cynical – but deeply effective – political propaganda. Whether he writes it up, rightwingers the world over will be studying Cameronese for years. If they want to fight it, it's time opponents started doing the same. "

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P. Smith left an annotation (21 January 2012)

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Just Google "propaganda techniques". This is just one example.

http://www.candocango.com/dla-reform-dam...

DLA reform: Dame Anne set to probe DWP’s Spartacus evasions
(18 January 2012)

A senior disabled MP is to examine the government’s failure to respond to allegations that it misled Parliament over its disability living allowance (DLA) reforms.

Dame Anne Begg, the Labour MP who chairs the influential Work and Pensions Select Committee, this week raised serious concerns about the government’s “overly dismissive” response to last week’s Responsible Reform, a ground-breaking report by disabled activists.

Dame Anne described the Responsible Reform report (PDF file, 505 KB) – also known as the “Spartacus Report” – as “coherent and consistent” and a “detailed analysis” of the responses to a government consultation on its DLA reforms.

But the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) has been heavily criticised for avoiding answering a series of crucial questions about the report.

Now Dame Anne has told Disability News Service that her committee will consider – in its current inquiry on DLA reform – how DWP responded to the Spartacus Report.

She said: “Certainly I have concerns about the fact that [the DWP response] seems to be overly dismissive. I think this is a serious piece of work and is a serious analysis of the responses to the consultation.

“I am consistently disappointed about the way that DWP is handling information around this subject and is not taking seriously what are well-argued and well-researched points.”

She and other members of her committee have been outspoken about how DWP has issued information to the media, MPs and the public about disability benefits and welfare reform.

Last month, Dame Anne accused the disabled people’s minister Maria Miller of being “evasive” throughout an evidence session for the DLA inquiry.

She has also accused Miller’s fellow ministers Chris Grayling and Iain Duncan Smith of appearing to encourage the tabloid press to run stories attacking disabled benefit claimants.

A fellow committee member, Liberal Democrat MP Stephen Lloyd, accused the DWP last year of “pandering to the Daily Mail” in a press release about employment and support allowance, the new out-of-work disability benefit.

A DWP spokesman said: “The Work and Pensions Select Committee has yet to publish its report and the government will respond to the report after its publication.”

News provided by John Pring at www.disabilitynewsservice.com

Read more: http://www.candocango.com/dla-reform-dam...

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P. Smith left an annotation (26 January 2012)

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More misinformation from the government.

Is it legal / constitutional to distort and lie these days then?

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P. Smith left an annotation ( 1 February 2012)

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This is quite interesting.

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