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Steve Elibank made this Freedom of Information request to Supreme Court of the United Kingdom

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From: Steve Elibank

Dear Sir/Madam,

These questions pertain respectively to your crest and to your
flag, which I learnt about via the Flag Institute
(http://flaginstitute.org/pdfs/Flying_Fla...).

— When was the flag designed?
— Who designed it?
— How much were the designers paid for their services?
— Were other designers consulted? Was there competition? If so, who
was involved, and was any payment made to unsuccessful firms?
— Are there any "alternate" versions of the flag (as in, any
which were designed but not taken up), and if so, please supply an
electronic copy.
— Please supply an electronic copy of your flag, preferably in
vector format, but in high-resolution if vector is not available.
— When was the crest designed?
— Who designed it?
— How much were the designers paid for their services?
— Were other designers consulted? Was there competition? If so, who
was involved, and was any payment made to unsuccessful firms?
— Are there any "alternate" versions of the crest (as in, any which
were designed but not taken up), and if so, please supply an
electronic copy.
— Please provide me with a copy of your logo/crest guidelines,
branding manual or equivalent document.
— Please supply an electronic copy of your crest, preferably in
vector format, but in high-resolution if vector is not available.

Please reply to confirm receipt.

Yours faithfully,
Steve Elibank

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From: Achow, Ann

Dear Mr Elibank,
Thank you for your enquiry which is receiving attention.

Yours sincerely,

Ann Achow (Mrs)
Departmental Records Officer
The Supreme Court of the United Kingdom
Parliament Square
London
SW1P 3BD

Tel: 020 7960 1983

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Attachment Supreme Court Flag.pdf
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Attachment Supreme Court Flag Ideas.pdf
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Dear Mr Elibank
PLEASE NOTE THAT NOT ALL OF THE ATTACHMENTS REFERRED TO BELOW ARE CONTAINED WITHIN THIS E MAIL MESSAGE DUE TO LIMITATIONS ON THE SIZE OF MESSAGES WHICH CAN BE SENT FROM MY ACCOUNT. THOSE NOT ATTACHED TO THIS MESSAGE WILL BE SENT SEPARATELY

Thank you for your enquiry of 9 May 2010 about the Supreme Court flag and emblem in which you ask:

When was the flag designed?
The Supreme Court flag was designed between February and May 2009

- Who designed it?
Graham Bartram , Chief Vexilloligist, The Flag Institute.

- How much were the designers paid for their services?
£700.00p

- Were other designers consulted? Was there competition? If so, who
was involved, and was any payment made to unsuccessful firms?
No other designers were consulted.

- Are there any "alternate" versions of the flag (as in, any
which were designed but not taken up), and if so, please supply an
electronic copy.
Yes as shown on the enclosed attachment titled 'Supreme Court Flag ideas' .

- Please supply an electronic copy of your flag, preferably in
vector format, but in high-resolution if vector is not available.
A copy of the final version of the flag is attached in the document titled ' Supreme Court flag'. I do not know whether this is in either vector or high resolution but this is the only format in which we hold the image of the flag. I am, therefore, unable to supply it in any other format.

In connection with the crest - or emblem as we describe it - I should explain that the Ministry of Justice's Supreme Court Implementation Programme team were responsible for this work as well as for the setting up of the Supreme Court and for the refurbishment of the Middlesex Guildhall. We do hold some information regarding the questions you have asked but the information may not be comprehensive. For those queries which I cannot answer please direct your request to the Ministry of Justice at [email address]

- When was the crest designed?
The information held here indicates between June 2007 and May 2008. MoJ may have more precise information.

- Who designed it?
Yvonne Holton, Herald Painter of the Court of the Lord Lyon in Scotland.

- How much were the designers paid for their services?
This information is not held by the Supreme Court. Please direct your request to the Ministry of Justice at [email address]

- Were other designers consulted? Was there competition? If so, who
was involved, and was any payment made to unsuccessful firms?
This information is not held by the Supreme Court. Please direct your request to the Ministry of Justice at [email address]

- Are there any "alternate" versions of the crest (as in, any which
were designed but not taken up), and if so, please supply an
electronic copy.
We hold only 5 early drawings in hard copy which I have scanned for you and are attached in the document titled 'Emblem designs'. We do not hold any other early versions and I do not know if the Ministry of Justice holds any more. Please direct your request to the Ministry of Justice at [email address]

- Please provide me with a copy of your logo/crest guidelines,
branding manual or equivalent document.
Please see the document attached titled 'Emblem Guide'.

- Please supply an electronic copy of your crest, preferably in
vector format, but in high-resolution if vector is not available.
You will see from the Emblem Guide that there are 3 versions of the emblem and that each can be used either in colour or black and white. A colour copy of each is attached in the format in which we hold it. I do not know whether this is in either vector or high resolution but this is the only format in which we hold them. I am, therefore, unable to supply it in any other format.

COPYRIGHT
I wish to draw your attention to the copyright aspects of the Supreme Court's emblems and flag. Copying of our emblems and flag is not permitted without prior approval from the relevant copyright owner. Requests for permission to use our emblem(s) or flag should be directed to Sian Lewis, Head of Communications e mail [email address]

As part of our obligations under the FOIA, we have an independent review process. If you are dissatisfied with this response you may write to request an internal review. The internal review will be carried out by someone who did not make the original decision, and they will re-assess how your request was handled.

If you wish to request an internal review, please write or send an email to the Director of Corporate Services within two months of the date of this reply, at the following address:

Director of Corporate Services
The Supreme Court of the United Kingdom
Parliament Square
London
SW1P 3BD

e mail: [email address]

If you remain dissatisfied after an internal review decision, you have the right to apply to the Information Commissioner's Office under Section 50 of the FOIA. You can contact the Information Commissioner's Office at the following address:

Information Commissioner's Office
Wycliffe House
Water Lane
Wilmslow
Cheshire
SK9 5AF

Internet: https://www.ico.gov.uk/Global/contact_us...

Yours sincerely,

Ann Achow (Mrs)
Departmental Records Officer
The Supreme Court of the United Kingdom
Parliament Square
London
SW1P 3BD

Tel: 020 7960 1983

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Attachment Emblem designs.pdf
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Dear Mr Elibank
Further to my earlier e mail of today's date please find attached 2
further documents.

Yours sincerely,
Ann Achow (Mrs)
Departmental Records Officer
The Supreme Court of the United Kingdom
Parliament Square
London
SW1P 3BD

Tel: 020 7960 1983

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Dear Mr Elibank
Further to my earlier e mail of today's date please find attached the 3
remaining documents.
Yours sincerely,

Ann Achow (Mrs)
Departmental Records Officer
The Supreme Court of the United Kingdom
Parliament Square
London
SW1P 3BD

Tel: 020 7960 1983

This e-mail (and any attachment) is intended only for the attention of the addressee(s).
Its unauthorised use, disclosure, storage or copying is not permitted. If you are not the
intended recipient, please destroy all copies and inform the sender by return e-mail.

Internet e-mail is not a secure medium. Any reply to this message could be intercepted and
read by someone else. Please bear that in mind when deciding whether to send material in
response to this message by e-mail.

This email has been sent from an email service operated for the UK Supreme Court by the
Ministry of Justice (MoJ). Communication via this service may be automatically logged,
monitored and/or recorded for legal and service support purposes, and emails identified
as containing malicious or inappropriate content may be blocked.

Emails on this service will not be read by anyone except the sender or intended recipient
unless there is a genuine legal requirement to do so and only with the appropriate lawful authority.

With respect to any email sent or received by a judge, the 'appropriate authority' will
be a senior member of the judiciary or other authority as agreed with the judiciary.
(For this purpose of this statement references to the 'judiciary' and 'judge' includes
all full time, part time and deputy judges, Recorders and all legal and non-legal members
of Tribunals, whether salaried or fee-paid who use judicial information in order to under take their duties.)

It is UKSC and MoJ policy to comply with all legal and regulatory requirements in the handling
of email communications. You have a responsibility to ensure laws are not broken when composing
or forwarding e-mails and their contents.

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From: Steve Elibank

Dear Ann Achow,

Thank you very much for your comprehensively helpful response.

Yours sincerely,
Steve Elibank

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Richard Taylor left an annotation ()

The emblem guide appears internally inconsistent to me. It says the emblem ought not be cropped; but then goes on to crop it for use in the internal signage. It also says it shouldn't be used on top of complex images or patterns yet goes on to do just that in the application examples showing report front covers.

It is interesting that there are two versions of the logo, one with a crown and one without. I hope this is an indication they are preparing for a democratic revolution and the removal of the monarch from any role in the way we run the country.

The emblem guide appears unfinished it fizzles out, the last page appears to be notes of other items which ought be covered but they have not yet addressed.

The examples of emblem usage are quite revealing - I wonder if there are plates, napkins and cutlery bearing the emblem in use in the building, how much public money has been spent on them, and how that can be justified. I also wonder why the UK supreme court needs private dining rooms.

The fact the Supreme Court spent public money deciding what font to use in its emails, and to attach image based signatures to them, appears utterly bizarre to me. At some point, after paying for it to be written, someone clearly decided to ignore this advice as the email correspondence relating to this request was carried out in plain text.

--

Richard Taylor
Cambridge
http://www.rtaylor.co.uk

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Ben Harris left an annotation ()

The emblem guidelines aren't inconsistent. Section 1.5 says that the formal and semi-formal emblems shouldn't be cropped. All the later cropped versions use the informal emblem. This seems quite sensible -- the informal emblem has no border or words, so it's much more suited to use as a design element rather than a logo.

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