Dear Police Service of Northern Ireland,

Can you tell me how many suspected suicides you have been called to investigate at each hospital in Northern Ireland, every year for the past five please?

Can you input the data, beside the name of each Hospital, in a table please.

And tell me how many were found to be suicides.

The hospitals include:
Belfast City Hospital
Cancer Centre, Belfast
Forster Green Hospital
Mater Infirmorum Hospital
Musgrave Park Hospital
Royal Belfast Hospital for Sick Children
Royal Jubilee Maternity
Royal Victoria Hospital
Ulster Hospital
Craigavon Area Hospital
Antrim Area Hospital
Daisy Hill Hospital
South West Acute Hospital
Altnagelvin Hospital
Muckamore Abbey Hospital

Yours faithfully,

Shauna Corr

Police Service of Northern Ireland

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3rd May 2019

Dear Ms Corr,

FREEDOM of INFORMATION ACT 2000

I write in connection with your request for information dated 2nd May 2019
which was received by the Police Service of Northern Ireland (PSNI) on 2nd
May 2019.  I note you seek access to the following information:

Suicide At Hospitals

This request will be dealt with under the terms of the Freedom of
Information Act 2000. A response should be sent to you within 20 working
days however I would like to advise you that PSNI are currently
experiencing a delay in the processing of requests and we aim to respond
to your request as soon as possible.

If your request is unclear and clarification is required the 20 day
legislative time limit dictated by the Freedom of Information Act 2000
will be stopped until we receive clarification of your request. The ICO
guidance at paragraph 40 of the link below sets out that the clock begins
anew the day after the clarification is received. It states

“If the requester subsequently provides enough detail to enable the
authority to identify and locate the information, then the authority must
respond to the clarified request within a new 20 working day time limit
with the ‘clock’ starting the day after it receives the required
clarification. “

The link for this is:

[1]https://ico.org.uk/media/for-organisatio...

In the event where the cost of complying with the request would exceed the
“appropriate level”, which is fixed at £450, as stated in the Freedom of
Information Regulations 2004, it is the policy of the PSNI to close the
request. You will however be notified of this decision and given an
opportunity to refine and resubmit the request.

If your request requires either full or partial transference to another
public authority in order to answer your query, again, you will be
notified.

If you have any queries regarding your request please write or contact the
Freedom of Information Team on 028 9070 0164. Please remember to quote the
reference number listed above in any future communications with the
Freedom of Information Team.

If you are dissatisfied in any way with the handling of your request, you
have the right to request a review. You should do this as soon as
possible, or in any case within two months of the date of issue of this
letter. In the event that you require a review to be undertaken, you can
do so by writing to the Head of Freedom of Information, PSNI Headquarters,
65 Knock Road, Belfast, BT5 6LE or by emailing [email address]. 

If following an internal review, carried out by an independent decision
maker, you were to remain dissatisfied in any way with the handling of the
request you may make a complaint, under Section 50 of the Freedom of
Information Act, to the Information Commissioner’s Office and ask that
they investigate whether the PSNI has complied with the terms of the
Freedom of Information Act.  You can write to the Information Commissioner
at Information Commissioner’s Office, Wycliffe House, Water Lane,
Wilmslow, Cheshire, SK9 5AF. In most circumstances the Information
Commissioner will not investigate a complaint unless an internal review
procedure has been carried out, however the Commissioner has the option to
investigate the matter at his discretion.

Yours sincerely,

FOI Decision Maker
FOI Unit
PSNI HQ Brooklyn

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Subject:        FOI-2019-01067
4^th June  2019

Dear Ms Shauna Corr,

FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT 2000

I refer to your request for information dated 2nd May 2019 which was
received by the Police Service of Northern Ireland on 2nd May 2019
concerning:

Suicide At Hospitals

 

Please find attached response to your request.

 

Yours sincerely

P addy

FOI Decision Maker
FOI Unit
PSNI HQ Brooklyn

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Dear Police Service of Northern Ireland,

Can you treat this as three foi requests.

The first for the information in 2018-2017
The second for the same information in 2016-2015
The third for the same information in 2014 please?

Yours faithfully,

Shauna

Police Service of Northern Ireland

This e-mail has been marked OFFICIAL [PUBLIC];

Ms Corr

Thank you for your email to PSNI.

Your request details time-frames for information, however it does not specify the information you require.

In order to process your request under the Freedom of Information Act, please specify the exact questions/information you require.

Please note, if questions relate to the same topic, they will be dealt with as one request under the FOI Act.

Kind Regards

Gillian

FOI & Data Protection
PSNI HQ
Brooklyn

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Dear Police Service of Northern Ireland,

The same information I asked for before - just out of interest why is a follow-on treated as a new request?
Can you tell me how many suspected suicides you have been called to investigate at each hospital in Northern Ireland please?

Can you input the data, beside the name of each Hospital, in a table please.

And tell me how many were found to be suicides.

The hospitals include:
Belfast City Hospital
Cancer Centre, Belfast
Forster Green Hospital
Mater Infirmorum Hospital
Musgrave Park Hospital
Royal Belfast Hospital for Sick Children
Royal Jubilee Maternity
Royal Victoria Hospital
Ulster Hospital
Craigavon Area Hospital
Antrim Area Hospital
Daisy Hill Hospital
South West Acute Hospital
Altnagelvin Hospital
Muckamore Abbey Hospital

Yours faithfully,

Shauna

Police Service of Northern Ireland

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Ms Corr

 

Above E Mails and Response released on 4^th June 2019 refer.

 

In the response to F-2019-01067 we advised:

 

Enquiries made in relation to your request has identified that retrieval
of information would exceed the 18 hour cost limit set by the Secretary Of
State under the FOI Act. The PSNI NICHE system has identified 8570
occurrences with the word “hospital” in the common name of the dispatch
address for the time period requested. To determine if any of these
occurrences were suspected suicides would involve a manual trawl, however
there is no determining factor on NICHE to conclude a death was by suicide
as this is confirmed by the Coroner’s office. To manually trawl and
evaluate each of these 8570 occurrences would put this request grossly
over cost.

 

In your E mail dated 4^th June 2019 you submitted three  FOI requests for
the same information as you requested in  F-2019-01067 (submitted by you
on 3^rd May 2019)

 

FOI replied on 5^th June 2019 stating “if questions relate to the same
topic, they will be dealt with as one request under the FOI Act”. 

 

For your guidance I have expanded on this under:

 

“Section 12 of the Freedom of Information Act provides an exemption where
the cost of compliance exceeds the appropriate limit. Section 12(4)
provides that the Secretary of State may make regulations with regard to
this exemption. The Freedom of Information and Data Protection
(Appropriate Limit and Fees) Regulations 2004 were made in pursuance of
this (and other) sub section (s) of the Act.  Regulation 5 provides that
where two or more requests for information are made by one person, (or by
different persons who appear to be working in concert) where the requests
relate, to any extent, to the same or similar information and are received
within 60 working days of each other, the requests may be aggregated for
the purposes of calculating costs. This means the estimated cost of
complying with any of the requests may be added together and if the total
exceeds the appropriate limit (18 hours) then the requests may be refused
in pursuance of Section 12.”

 

Your new request as stipulated in your E Mail dated 4^th Jun and 6^th June
2019 fall under the above.

 

In addition Section 14(2) of the FOI Act states “where a public body has
previously complied with a request for information which was made by any
person, it is not obliged to comply with a subsequent identical or
substantially similar request from that person unless a reasonable
interval has elapsed  between compliance with the previous request and the
making of the current request”

 

 

 

 

P addy

FOI

PSNI

 

 

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Dear Police Service of Northern Ireland,

Can you advise what information you can provide as you say that you have it?

Would it be one year?

Yours faithfully,

Shauna

Police Service of Northern Ireland

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Ms Corr

 

Your E Mail under refers.

 

In our FOI release to F-2019-01067 we stated

 

Enquiries made in relation to your request has identified that retrieval
 of information would exceed the 18 hour cost limit set by the Secretary
Of
 State under the FOI Act. The PSNI NICHE system has identified 8570
 occurrences with the word “hospital” in the common name of the dispatch
 address for the time period requested. To determine if any of these
 occurrences were suspected suicides would involve a manual trawl, however
 there is no determining factor on NICHE to conclude a death was by
suicide
 as this is confirmed by the Coroner’s office. To manually trawl and
 evaluate each of these 8570 occurrences would put this request grossly
 over cost.

Our reply did NOT say that we have the information you request it merely
stated that

We required a manual trawl to determine if any of the 8570 occurrences
were police were

called to a hospital were in fact for suspected suicides.

 

Our NICHE team considered that it would take approximately 15 minutes to
manually  trawl and

evaluate the  Information – meaning approximately a total of 2,142.5 hours
for all 8570 occurrences

 

Even taking an average of  1714 occurrences (i.e. 8570 occurrences divided
by 5 years) would still equate

to approximately 428.5 hours to conduct a manual trawl.  Grossly exceeding
the 18 jour limit

 

I hope this provides further clarification for you.

 

 

P addy

FOI

 

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