Statutory Definition please

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I am the agent for the fictional strawman that was created with the name Sarah Goldsmith

Dear Ministry of Justice,

The Magna Carta 1297 in 'Confirmation of Liberties' ,SI states
{amongst other things} "We have granted also, and given to all the
Freemen of our Realm, for Us and our Heirs for ever, these
Liberties under-written, to have and to hold to them and their
Heirs, of Us and our Heirs for ever"

In addition, in SXXIX 'Imprisonment, &c. contrary to Law.
Administration of Justice' it states "NO Freeman shall be taken or
imprisoned, or be disseised of his Freehold, or Liberties, or free
Customs, or be outlawed, or exiled, or any other wise destroyed;
nor will We not pass upon him, nor [X1condemn him,] but by lawful
judgment of his Peers, or by the Law of the Land. We will sell to
no man, we will not deny or defer to any man either Justice or
Right."

Therefore, in accordance with the FOI Act, please provide me with
your definition of "Freemen" as mentioned in this act.

Thank you.

Yours faithfully,
Sarah Goldsmith

Data Access & Compliance Unit, Ministry of Justice

Dear Sarah Goldsmith,

Thank you for your e-mail, I am writing to advise you that your enquiry does not fall under the Freedom of Information regime and will be treated by the department as Official Correspondence.

It may be helpful if I explain that the Freedom of Information Act (2000) gives individuals and organisations the right of access to all types of recorded information held, at the time the request is received, by public authorities such as the Ministry of Justice (MoJ). Section 84 of the Act states that in order for a request for information to be handled as a Freedom of Information (FOI) request, it must be for recorded information. For example, a Freedom of Information request would be for a copy of a policy, rather than an explanation as to why we have that policy in place. On occasion, the Ministry of Justice receives requests that do not ask for recorded information, but ask more general questions about, for example, a policy, opinion or a decision.

Your request will be dealt with as Official Correspondence and you can expect a response from the appropriate area of the department [email address].

If you do have any questions relating specifically to the Freedom of Information or Data Protection Act, please contact the Data Access and Compliance Unit at the following e-mail address:
[email address]

Many Thanks

Data Access & Compliance Unit

-----Original Message-----
From: I am the agent for the fictional strawman that was created with the name Sarah Goldsmith [mailto:[FOI #123112 email]]
Sent: 25 July 2012 11:45
To: Data Access & Compliance Unit
Subject: Freedom of Information request - Statutory Definition please

Dear Ministry of Justice,

The Magna Carta 1297 in 'Confirmation of Liberties' ,SI states
{amongst other things} "We have granted also, and given to all the
Freemen of our Realm, for Us and our Heirs for ever, these
Liberties under-written, to have and to hold to them and their
Heirs, of Us and our Heirs for ever"

In addition, in SXXIX 'Imprisonment, &c. contrary to Law.
Administration of Justice' it states "NO Freeman shall be taken or
imprisoned, or be disseised of his Freehold, or Liberties, or free
Customs, or be outlawed, or exiled, or any other wise destroyed;
nor will We not pass upon him, nor [X1condemn him,] but by lawful
judgment of his Peers, or by the Law of the Land. We will sell to
no man, we will not deny or defer to any man either Justice or
Right."

Therefore, in accordance with the FOI Act, please provide me with
your definition of "Freemen" as mentioned in this act.

Thank you.

Yours faithfully,
Sarah Goldsmith

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I am the agent for the fictional strawman that was created with the name Sarah Goldsmith

Dear Data Access & Compliance Unit,

I asked "Therefore, in accordance with the FOI Act, please provide me with
your definition of "Freemen" as mentioned in this act."

THIS IS A FOI REQUEST. Please treat it as such.

Yours sincerely,
Sarah Goldsmith

I am the agent for the fictional strawman that was created with the name Sarah Goldsmith

Dear Data Access & Compliance Unit,

There is a statutory requirement for you to respond within 20 days. Your response is now overdue

Yours faithfully,

Sarah Goldsmith

Data Access & Compliance Unit, Ministry of Justice

Dear Sarah,

As this is not being dealt with under the Freedom of Information regime there is no statutory deadline. However, I will look investigate this for you.

Best Wishes
Kate

-----Original Message-----
From: I am the agent for the fictional strawman that was created with the name Sarah Goldsmith [mailto:[FOI #123112 email]]
Sent: 24 August 2012 15:54
To: Data Access & Compliance Unit
Subject: RE: Freedom of Information request - Statutory Definition please

Dear Data Access & Compliance Unit,

There is a statutory requirement for you to respond within 20 days.
Your response is now overdue

Yours faithfully,

Sarah Goldsmith

-----Original Message-----

Dear Sarah Goldsmith,

Thank you for your e-mail, I am writing to advise you that your
enquiry does not fall under the Freedom of Information regime and
will be treated by the department as Official Correspondence.

It may be helpful if I explain that the Freedom of Information Act
(2000) gives individuals and organisations the right of access to
all types of recorded information held, at the time the request is
received, by public authorities such as the Ministry of Justice
(MoJ). Section 84 of the Act states that in order for a request for
information to be handled as a Freedom of Information (FOI)
request, it must be for recorded information. For example, a
Freedom of Information request would be for a copy of a policy,
rather than an explanation as to why we have that policy in place.
On occasion, the Ministry of Justice receives requests that do not
ask for recorded information, but ask more general questions about,
for example, a policy, opinion or a decision.

Your request will be dealt with as Official Correspondence and you
can expect a response from the appropriate area of the department
[email address].

If you do have any questions relating specifically to the Freedom
of Information or Data Protection Act, please contact the Data
Access and Compliance Unit at the following e-mail address:
[email address]

Many Thanks

Data Access & Compliance Unit

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I am the agent for the fictional strawman that was created with the name Sarah Goldsmith

Dear Data Access & Compliance Unit,

On 5 July 2012 I asked "Therefore, in accordance with the FOI Act, please provide me with your definition of "Freemen" as mentioned in this act."

THIS IS A FOI REQUEST. Please treat it as such."

This is a request for your RECORDED INFORMATION/DEFINITION. Recorded information falls under the remit of the Freedom of information Act

You are now OVERDUE.

Yours sincerely,

Sarah Goldsmith

Balding, Kate, Ministry of Justice

Dear Sarah,

I can confirm that the department's Human Rights Division is currently dealing with your correspondence and you can expect a response in due course.

Best Wishes
Kate

Kate Balding|Business Coordinator

Data Access & Compliance Unit
Ministry of Justice|10th Floor|Post Point 10.34
102 Petty France|London|SW1H 9AJ

-----Original Message-----
From: I am the agent for the fictional strawman that was created with the name Sarah Goldsmith [mailto:[FOI #123112 email]]
Sent: 29 August 2012 00:52
To: Data Access & Compliance Unit
Subject: Internal review of Freedom of Information request - Statutory Definition please

Dear Data Access & Compliance Unit,

On 5 July 2012 I asked "Therefore, in accordance with the FOI Act,
please provide me with your definition of "Freemen" as mentioned in
this act."

THIS IS A FOI REQUEST. Please treat it as such."

This is a request for your RECORDED INFORMATION/DEFINITION.
Recorded information falls under the remit of the Freedom of
information Act

You are now OVERDUE.

Yours sincerely,

Sarah Goldsmith

-----Original Message-----

Dear Sarah,

As this is not being dealt with under the Freedom of Information
regime there is no statutory deadline. However, I will look
investigate this for you.

Best Wishes
Kate

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I am the agent for the fictional strawman that was created with the name Sarah Goldsmith

Dear Kate,

This is a FREEDOM OF INFORMATION request, asking for RECORDED INFORMATION. It was made on 25 July 2012. You are required BY LAW to respond within 20 days.

Telling me that your Human Rights Division will respond 'in due course' is not good enough.... You are about a month OVERDUE now!

Yours sincerely,

Sarah Goldsmith

Data Access & Compliance Unit, Ministry of Justice

Dear Sarah,

Thank you for your email.

Your request was passed to our Human Rights Division to respond to. My colleagues email below was just informing you of this.

We are no longer dealing with this request the Human Rights Division will respond to you directly.

Yours sincerely

Laura Benson
Data Access & Compliance Unit
Ministry of Justice|10th Floor|Post Point 10.34
102 Petty France|London|SW1H 9AJ

-----Original Message-----
From: I am the agent for the fictional strawman that was created with the name Sarah Goldsmith [mailto:[FOI #123112 email]]
Sent: 11 September 2012 14:03
To: Balding, Kate
Subject: RE: Internal review of Freedom of Information request - Statutory Definition please

Dear Kate,

This is a FREEDOM OF INFORMATION request, asking for RECORDED
INFORMATION. It was made on 25 July 2012. You are required BY LAW
to respond within 20 days.

Telling me that your Human Rights Division will respond 'in due
course' is not good enough.... You are about a month OVERDUE now!

Yours sincerely,

Sarah Goldsmith

-----Original Message-----

Dear Sarah,

I can confirm that the department's Human Rights Division is
currently dealing with your correspondence and you can expect a
response in due course.

Best Wishes
Kate

Kate Balding|Business Coordinator

Data Access & Compliance Unit
Ministry of Justice|10th Floor|Post Point 10.34
102 Petty France|London|SW1H 9AJ

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Willis, David - Cabinet Office,

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Dear Ms Goldsmith,

Please find attached a reply to your query below.

Best wishes,

David

-----Original Message-----
From: I am the agent for the fictional strawman that was created with the name Sarah Goldsmith [mailto:[FOI #123112 email]]
Sent: 25 July 2012 11:45
To: Data Access & Compliance Unit
Subject: Freedom of Information request - Statutory Definition please

Dear Ministry of Justice,

The Magna Carta 1297 in 'Confirmation of Liberties' ,SI states
{amongst other things} "We have granted also, and given to all the
Freemen of our Realm, for Us and our Heirs for ever, these
Liberties under-written, to have and to hold to them and their
Heirs, of Us and our Heirs for ever"

In addition, in SXXIX 'Imprisonment, &c. contrary to Law.
Administration of Justice' it states "NO Freeman shall be taken or
imprisoned, or be disseised of his Freehold, or Liberties, or free
Customs, or be outlawed, or exiled, or any other wise destroyed;
nor will We not pass upon him, nor [X1condemn him,] but by lawful
judgment of his Peers, or by the Law of the Land. We will sell to
no man, we will not deny or defer to any man either Justice or
Right."

Therefore, in accordance with the FOI Act, please provide me with
your definition of "Freemen" as mentioned in this act.

Thank you.

Yours faithfully,
Sarah Goldsmith

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Becky Bbear left an annotation ()

Sarah - Took a while but pretty much what I expected and would have said myself.

At least the person responding knew their history, or took the time to research the sources.

This same answer has been given before by the Law Society through WDTK, although they went into a little more detail.

Becky