Station Lane, Thetford

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Robert Whittaker

Dear Norfolk County Council,

I am writing to you for some information about a road/track known as "Station Lane" in Thetford, which runs from the north side of the railway line at grid reference TL86738369 to the A1066 at TL86658390, and provides access to the the Norwich-bound platform at the station, along with some industrial and residential properties. (Note this is NOT the nearby street, also called Station Lane, that passes under the railway bridge to join Canterbury Way.)

I understand that this route is not currently recorded as a public highway (it doesn't appear on http://maps.norfolk.gov.uk/highways/ or in your List of Streets), and it's been suggested that ownership / responsibility may be shared between Network Rail and some of the adjoining properties. I would like to get some definitive information about the route's status. So would you be able to provide some details for me based on your records? In particular, could you confirm that it's not a Public Highway, and whether you know of any recorded public access rights along it? Also, do you know who owns the route, and if anyone has responsibility for maintaining it? Presumably this route used to be a Public Highway with a level crossing over the tracks, so do you have any information about how/when it was closed/stopped up? Could you also confirm if this section of road/track is listed in your Local Street Gazetteer (LSG) and if so provide all the meta-data in the record?

Yours faithfully,

Robert Whittaker

Information Management, Norfolk County Council

Good Morning,

Freedom of Information Act 2000 – Information Request ENQ 377468

Thank you for your request for information under the Freedom of Information Act 2000 received on 19 July 2017.

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Sarah Cooper
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Information Management and Technology
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Information Management, Norfolk County Council

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Dear Mr Whittaker

 

Environmental Information Regulations 2004 – Information Request ENQ377468

 

I refer to your request for information dated 19 July 2017.

 

The search for the information has been completed and I am pleased to
supply you with the following information:

 

You asked.

I am writing to you for some information about a road/track known as
"Station Lane" in Thetford, which runs from the north side of the railway
line at grid reference TL86738369 to the A1066 at TL86658390, and provides
access to the the Norwich-bound platform at the station, along with some
industrial and residential properties. (Note this is NOT the nearby
street, also called Station Lane, that passes under the railway bridge to
join Canterbury Way.)

 

I understand that this route is not currently recorded as a public highway
(it doesn't appear on [1]http://maps.norfolk.gov.uk/highways/ or in your
List of Streets), and it's been suggested that ownership / responsibility
may be shared between Network Rail and some of the adjoining properties. I
would like to get some definitive information about the route's status. So
would you be able to provide some details for me based on your records? In
particular, could you confirm that it's not a Public Highway, and whether
you know of any recorded public access rights along it? Also, do you know
who owns the route, and if anyone has responsibility for maintaining it?
Presumably this route used to be a Public Highway with a level crossing
over the tracks, so do you have any information about how/when it was
closed/stopped up? Could you also confirm if this section of road/track is
listed in your Local Street Gazetteer (LSG) and if so provide all the
meta-data in the record?

 

I can confirm that this road is not public highway.  There are no Public
Rights of Way over it currently and it is not maintained by Norfolk County
Council.

 

Please find attached a letter of 2000 that provides details regarding the
land in question. We have no reason to believe this is not the case now.  

 

Also attached is a 1955 conveyance of land for highway use to the east of
the lane. The plan shows clearly that the lane was considered to be
private. This, being prior to the Beeching cuts, is compelling evidence
that the lane was not highway then and remains private now.

 

Please note that some information has been redacted for the following
reason:

 

1.    Information that is personal to third parties has been redacted in
line with Regulation 12(3) and 13(1) of the Regulations. It is the view of
Norfolk County Council that this information relates to another person,
and that it would be unfair to disclose this information as these
individuals have a reasonable expectation that such information held by
the Norfolk County Council would remain confidential.

 

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Yours sincerely

 

Lewis Freeman

Information Compliance Officer

Information Management Service

Norfolk County Council

County Hall

Martineau Lane

Norwich

NR1 2DH

 

 

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Robert Whittaker

Dear Information Management / Lewis Freeman,

Many thanks for your helpful reply to my request. I'm having a little trouble reconciling one of your statements with the map referred to, and I'm wondering if we're talking at cross-purposes.

In your response you stated "The plan shows clearly that the lane was considered to be private." But on the plan in question (the final page of https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/4... ) the lane I was referring to in my request is the one labelled as "Mundford Road" that runs between the junction next to the pink area and the station. To me, the fact that representation of this section on the map is the same as that used for the A134, suggests that this lane was a Public Highway at that point.

Have I mis-understood your point perhaps, or were you thinking that I was referring to the lane shown on that plan that runs north-east from the pink junction and is labelled "private road"? If the latter, could I check whether any of the rest of your response (in particular the letter extract) was also similarly referring to that lane, and may therefore need to be revised?

Yours sincerely,

Robert Whittaker

PS: You may be interested in the response to a similar query that I made to Network Rail: https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/s... . I haven't studied it in detail yet, but it seems to suggest that there is evidence that road in question was a Public Highway before the railway, and it's possible that only the part between the level crossing gates was stopped up.

Dear Mr Freeman,

Further to my email of 8th August, could you also confirm whether the street/track in question (TL86738369 to TL86658390) is recorded in your Local Street Gazetteer and/or included in your National Street Gazeteer submissions to Geoplace? (I understand that private roads known to the Highway Authority should be included.) If it is, then could you please let me know whatever ownership information and other metadata you hold for this street?

Yours sincerely,

Robert Whittaker

PS: The full history of this request can found online at https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/s... if you need to refer back to anything.

Dear Norfolk County Council,

Could I refer you to my message of 8th August which was sent to your information.management@ email address, and is available to view online at https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/s... ? I do not seem to have had a response yet to the follow-up queries I raised there. It is now more than 20 working days since you received this email, so I believe a response is over-due.

When you are responding, it would probably be convenient if you could address my second follow-up of 24th August (https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/s...) at the same time.

Yours faithfully,

Robert Whittaker

Information Management, Norfolk County Council

Dear Mr Whittaker,

I apologise you have not had a response as yet. I have passed your various emails on to the service, but am awaiting answers from them. I have chased them today.

Regards,

Lewis Freeman

Information Management, Norfolk County Council

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Dear Mr Whittaker

 

I have had the following from the service. As this is a technical matterm
you may be best to contact the service to discuss this rather than
pursuing the FOI route.

 

“The following is what we have in the Gazetteer.

We have nothing for the section heading southeast off the loop access
road.

 

Regards,

 

Lewis Freeman

Information Compliance Officer

 

Dear Mr Freeman,

Many thanks for that information about the NSG submissions. I believe that that my query of 8th August (https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/s...) on the Council's original response is still outstanding though.

Regarding not using FOI, in principle I'd be more than happy for things to be dealt with informally if that makes things easier for the council. I'll also take up any discussion points (rather than requests for information) directly as you suggest. However, in my previous dealings with Norfolk County Council where FOI/EIR has not been involved, my queries have often been ignored, delayed and/or required multiple follow-ups to get a response. So I'm afraid when I need some specific information that would fall under FOI or EIR, then I will usually find it more expedient to go down that route.

Yours sincerely,

Robert Whittaker

Dear Norfolk County Council,

I am still waiting for a response to my query of 8th August, which can be found online at https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/s...

For you convenience, the outstanding query in relation to ENQ 377468 is reproduced here:

In your response you stated "The plan shows clearly that the lane was considered to be private." But on the plan in question (the final page of https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/4... ) the lane I was referring to in my request is the one labelled as "Mundford Road" that runs between the junction next to the pink area and the station. To me, the fact that representation of this section on the map is the same as that used for the A134, suggests that this lane was a Public Highway at that point.

Have I mis-understood your point perhaps, or were you thinking that I was referring to the lane shown on that plan that runs north-east from the pink junction and is labelled "private road"? If the latter, could I check whether any of the rest of your response (in particular the letter extract) was also similarly referring to that lane, and may therefore need to be revised?

I would be grateful if you could let me know when you will be in a position to respond.

Yours faithfully,

Robert Whittaker

Information Management, Norfolk County Council

Sear Mr Whittaker,

To be able to answer this query, one of my colleagues in the Highways service would appreciate a conversation with you to ensure that we are not at odd-ends. Could I ask that you send me, outside of this website, a telephone number that she can reach you on?

Regards,

Lewis Freeman
Information Compliance Officer

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