South London Healthcare NHS Trust - application to become a Foundation Trust

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name removed 23 Oct 2012 (Account suspended)

5 March 2012

Dear Monitor, Independent Regulator of NHS Foundation Trusts, Mr Weaver, South London Healthcare NHS Trust, Mr Firn CEO Oxleas NHS Foundation Trust, Mr Lansley Secretary of State for Health, Mr Cameron Prime Minister, Mr Turner MP for the Isle of Wight,

Re South London Healthcare NHS Trust - application to become a Foundation Trust

I am making this Freedom of Information Request in consequence to the South London Healthcare's response to an FOI Request where it was stated that South London Healthcare does NOT provide its OWN psychiatric services.

That being the case how does South London Healthcare NHS Trust provide a comprehensive care facility for patients in hospital who might develop post-operative delirium? This clearly is a major safeguarding issue if South London Healthcare NHS Trust does not have its own dedicated team to provide on-site assistance to a person - or people - in need.

I was told specifically by Mr Heap,Barrister of South London Healthcare, that South London Healthcare NHS Trust and Oxleas NHS Foundation Trust are completely independent. Certainly the ICO has two separate data controllers for two separate legal entities - South London Healthcare NHS Trust and Oxleas NHS Foundation Trust.

How precisely does South London Healthcare NHS Trust safely prescribe potent PSYCHIATRIC drugs such as Haloperidol to a patient if South London Healthcare NHS Trust has no specialist psychiatric service provision? Or does South London Healthcare NHS Trust have specialist psychiatric service provision provided specifically by Oxleas NHS Foundation Trust?

Anaesthesia is a major area in surgery and some of these are
psychiatric drugs are they not? What knowledge do the South London Healthcare NHS Trust consultants have about the effects and side-effects of these drugs?

How does South London Healthcare NHS Trust safeguard patients if South London Healthcare NHS Trust have no psychiatric consultants to assist in a team working with surgeons and anaesthetists both before, during and after surgery in particular?

And similarly for neurological patients who might have
psychological pathology on account of frontal lobe atrophy for example?

Or a patient having had a stroke/ CVA causing major neurological damage and affect brain functioning?

To me, it seems very worrying that South London Healthcare NHS Trust does not have such a dedicated integrated team, or does it? Please provide the details.

Or does South London Healthcare NHS Trust "import" - or even employ - doctors from Oxleas to examine patients and then prescribe such a drug as Haloperidol and Clozapine?

What is the legal basis and contract between South London Healthcare NHS Trust and Oxleas when Oxleas employees come and prescribe drugs such as Haloperidol to one of the South London Healthcare NHS Trust's inpatients?

For one of these employees of Oxleas NHS Foundation Trust to go through one of South London Healthcare NHS Trust's inpatient's medical records without the consent of this patient who remains unaware of what is happening, surely this is a major legal issue that needs clarification?

For without a specific legal contract between Oxleas NHS Foundation Trust and South London Healthcare NHS Trust if a patient suffered an untoward incident to whom would they direct their complaints? Please provide the answer.

Was it an Oxleas NHS Trust doctor on the night of 26/27 June 2006 or was it an SLHT [Bromley Hospitals NHS Trust as it was then] doctor whose identity cannot be found either by the NHSBSA or the GMC and yet Mr Heap South London Healthcare NHS Trust barrister has refused to release this person's name, thereby preventing the GMC from investigating a complaint I made about an incident alleged to have happened that nightshift.

Even if South London Healthcare NHS Trust will not release this information to me, please do ask South London Healthcare NHS Trust to provide the General Medical Council with the name and GMC registration number of this
"admitting doctor" otherwise no investigation by the General Medical Council can take place. And the Metropolitan Police can then investigate an alleged crime that was reported to them on 28 June 2006.

Martin Thorpe of Metropolitan Police told me that he had been informed by David Heap that there had been "4 reviews" into this case and that he was satisfied. However, these have NEVER been given to me, the Executrix of the person who subsequently died a few days later.

I have now been trying to find the TRUTH about this and related healthcare issues regarding Princess Royal University Hospital Bromley Hospitals NHS Trust - now South London Healthcare NHS Trust - and I believe that there should be a proper resolution BEFORE Monitor gives South London Healthcare NHS Trust its new status as a Foundation Trust.

I cannot face another 5 years of stress and strain and worry as the Executrix of a patient who died in Princess Royal University Hospital in what I aver MAY possibly have been untoward circumstances - but until a proper investigation has been carried out by independent people we will never know.

I do wish South London Healthcare NHS Trust good luck with their new project of becoming a Foundation Trust as clearly they have inherited a large debt - partly because of the PFI of Princess Royal University Hospital being built.

Please provide via this website http://whatdotheyknow.com the public consultation details so that I may fill in my ideas for South London Healthcare NHS Trust which would include having their own employed team of mental health specialists to provide essential services to anaesthesia teams and post-surgical and medical wards.

I have asked South London Healthcare NHS Trust for the public consultation papers as they state that they have to decide whether to be 2 hospitals or 3 hospitals. And to apply to become a Foundation Trust. I wish them well but I do wish to be provided with the consultation so that I may register my views please.

Thank you for your help,

Yours sincerely,

[first name removed] [last name removed]

Campaigner for Liberty, Truth and Justice

FOI, Independent Regulator of NHS Foundation Trusts

Re: Request for Information under Freedom of Information Act 2000

Receipt of your request for information by email dated 05 March 2012 (17:19) is acknowledged.

Monitor will respond to your request by Tuesday 3 April, which is within 20 working days following the date of receipt.

Best regards

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FOI, Independent Regulator of NHS Foundation Trusts

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Please find attached a response to your request for information under the Freedom of Information Act 2000 dated 5 March 2012 from Anne Fillis, Portfolio Director.

Kind regards,

Monitor - Independent Regulator of NHS Foundation Trusts

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name removed 23 Oct 2012 (Account suspended)

3 April 2012

Dear Ms Fillis, Monitor FOI,

Thank you very much for your response. I note that you have no data to give me: I am somewhat surprised to learn that you do not have the papers for South London Healthcare NHS Trust.

May I ask if you know when South London Healthcare NHS Trust is going to give you their paperwork?

On the matter of Oxleas, which is a Foundation Trust, how do you monitor Oxleas if you do not know what their precise contractual details are with South London Healthcare NHS Trust?

I have seen on the internet reference to partnerships between a mental health trust and acute hospital which then became an NHS Foundation Trust.

Is there any proposal for Oxleas NHS Foundation Trust to join up with South London Healthcare NHS Trust to become a Foundation Trust of which you may know?

Thank you very much for your kind help,

Yours sincerely,

[first name removed] [last name removed]

FOI, Independent Regulator of NHS Foundation Trusts

Dear Ms [last name removed],

We note that we have provided a response to the FOI request which you submitted, and such that request has been dealt with. Your additional questions do not form a FOI request. Accordingly, it is being treated as an enquiry and not as a request for information under the FOI Act. Enquiries will provide you with a response in due course.

Kind regards,

Monitor - Independent Regulator of NHS Foundation Trusts

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name removed 23 Oct 2012 (Account suspended)

5 April 2012

Dear Monitor - Independent Regulator of NHS Foundation Trusts,

Please pass this on to the person who conducts Freedom of Information reviews.

I am writing to request an internal review of Monitor - Independent Regulator of NHS Foundation Trusts's handling of my FOI request 'South London Healthcare NHS Trust - application to become a Foundation Trust'.

My reason for requesting this review is on account of Monitor's response of 4 April 2012 stating that my follow-up was NOT a Freedom of Information Request.

I wish to challenge this as I do not believe it to be simply an enquiry but an FOI Request, and, as such I wish this to be treated as an FOI Request as well as an enquiry.

"3 April 2012

Dear Ms Fillis, Monitor FOI,

Thank you very much for your response. I note that you have no data to give me: I am somewhat surprised to learn that you do not have "the papers for South London Healthcare NHS Trust.

May I ask if you know when South London Healthcare NHS Trust is going to give you their paperwork?

On the matter of Oxleas, which is a Foundation Trust, how do you monitor Oxleas if you do not know what their precise contractual details are with South London Healthcare NHS Trust?

I have seen on the internet reference to partnerships between a mental health trust and acute hospital which then became an NHS Foundation Trust.

Is there any proposal for Oxleas NHS Foundation Trust to join up with South London Healthcare NHS Trust to become a Foundation Trust
of which you may know?

Thank you very much for your kind help,

Yours sincerely,

[first name removed] [last name removed]

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From: FOI
Monitor - Independent Regulator of NHS Foundation Trusts

4 April 2012
Dear Ms [last name removed],

We note that we have provided a response to the FOI request which you submitted, and such that request has been dealt with. Your additional questions do not form a FOI request. Accordingly, it is being treated as an enquiry and not as a request for information under the FOI Act. Enquiries will provide you with a response in due course.

Kind regards,

Monitor - Independent Regulator of NHS Foundation Trusts"

I do not accept Monitor's stated view:

"Your additional questions do not form a FOI request. Accordingly, it is being treated as an enquiry and not as a request for information under the FOI Act. Enquiries will provide you with a response in due course."

MY RATIONALE AS TO WHY MY ADDITIONAL REQUESTS FOR INFORMATION IS DATA THAT IS POTENTIALLY ACCESSIBLE UNDER THE FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT AND/OR ENQUIRY AS PER MONITOR:

1. Thank you very much for your response. I note that you have no data to give me: I am somewhat surprised to learn that you do not have "the papers for South London Healthcare NHS Trust.

Please check again - is it in another format, perhaps with proposals for it to become a different named body as it is stated that they are putting forward proposals for either a 2-hospital trust or a 3-hospital trust.

As I understand it, it is also applying to become a Foundation Trust, and, as such I am surprised that you have NOTHING about it whatsoever.

Please may I ask that you do a further search to find out if there is any email or letter or record of a conversation or documentation or any record of a fax to see what is the position. This would indeed be an FOI Request, I aver. Thank you very much.
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2. May I ask if you know when South London Healthcare NHS Trust is going to give you their paperwork?

Following on from the above, I wish to repeat this as a question. If you have the information, then surely this is an FOI Request and please treat it as such.

*If you do not have the information, then please treat it as an enquiry and actually ask South London Healthcare NHS Trust yourself and then please give me the answer as per your response that you would treat this as enquiry and not as an FOI. Thank you.

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3. On the matter of Oxleas, which is a Foundation Trust, how do you monitor Oxleas if you do not know what their precise contractual details are with South London Healthcare NHS Trust?

This is a Freedom of Information Request to Monitor about Monitor's own methods of working. As such it must be recorded how you do this, and it is this that makes it recordable information that is data under the Freedom of Information Act 2000 I aver.

Please give me your answer as a Freedom of Information Request has been made. Thank you.

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4. Is there any proposal for Oxleas NHS Foundation Trust to join up with South London Healthcare NHS Trust to become a Foundation Trust of which you may know?

If this is recorded in a recordable way in Monitor, please treat this as a Freedom of Information Request.

If it is not, then please treat it as an enquiry as per your response of 4 April 2012. Thank you very much.

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A full history of my FOI request and all correspondence is available on the Internet at this address:
http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/so...

Yours sincerely,

[first name removed] [last name removed]

Campaigner for legal reform, liberty, truth and justice

FOI, Independent Regulator of NHS Foundation Trusts

Dear Ms [last name removed],

Further to your clarification of your request and having understood the nature of your request Monitor will be treating it as a FOI request. Accordingly, it will be not be treated as an internal review but a new FOI request.

Although you clarified your request in the email dated 5 April 2012, we will respond to your request within 20 working days following the date of your initial email on 3 April 2012, so by 3 May 2012. This will mean that you will not have lost any working days in receiving a response.

Kind regards.

Monitor

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name removed 23 Oct 2012 (Account suspended)

5 April 2012

Dear Monitor - Independent Regulator of NHS Foundation Trusts Appeals,

Please pass this on to the person who conducts Freedom of Information reviews.

I am writing to request an internal review of Monitor -Independent Regulator of NHS Foundation Trusts's handling of my FOI request 'South London Healthcare NHS Trust - application to become a Foundation Trust'.

5 April 2012
5 April 2012

Dear Monitor - Independent Regulator of NHS Foundation Trusts,

Please pass this on to the person who conducts Freedom of Information reviews.

I am writing to request an internal review of Monitor -Independent Regulator of NHS Foundation Trusts's handling of my FOI request 'South London Healthcare NHS Trust - application to become a Foundation Trust'.

My reason for requesting this review is on account of Monitor's response of 4 April 2012 stating that my follow-up was NOT a Freedom of Information Request.

I wish to challenge this as I do not believe it to be simply an enquiry but an FOI Request, and, as such I wish this to be treated as an FOI Request as well as an enquiry.

"3 April 2012

Dear Ms Fillis, Monitor FOI,

Thank you very much for your response. I note that you have no data to give me: I am somewhat surprised to learn that you do not have "the papers for South London Healthcare NHS Trust.

May I ask if you know when South London Healthcare NHS Trust is going to give you their paperwork?

On the matter of Oxleas, which is a Foundation Trust, how do you monitor Oxleas if you do not know what their precise contractual details are with South London Healthcare NHS Trust?

I have seen on the internet reference to partnerships between a mental health trust and acute hospital which then became an NHS Foundation Trust.

Is there any proposal for Oxleas NHS Foundation Trust to join up with South London Healthcare NHS Trust to become a Foundation Trust of which you may know?

Thank you very much for your kind help,

Yours sincerely,

[first name removed] [last name removed]

Link to this
From: FOI
Monitor - Independent Regulator of NHS Foundation Trusts

4 April 2012
Dear Ms [last name removed],

We note that we have provided a response to the FOI request which you submitted, and such that request has been dealt with. Your additional questions do not form a FOI request. Accordingly, it is being treated as an enquiry and not as a request for information under the FOI Act. Enquiries will provide you with a response in due course.

Kind regards,

Monitor - Independent Regulator of NHS Foundation Trusts"

I do not accept Monitor's stated view:

"Your additional questions do not form a FOI request. Accordingly, it is being treated as an enquiry and not as a request for information under the FOI Act. Enquiries will provide you with a response in due course."

MY RATIONALE AS TO WHY MY ADDITIONAL REQUESTS FOR INFORMATION IS DATA THAT IS POTENTIALLY ACCESSIBLE UNDER THE FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT AND/OR ENQUIRY AS PER MONITOR:

1. Thank you very much for your response. I note that you have no data to give me: I am somewhat surprised to learn that you do not have "the papers for South London Healthcare NHS Trust.

Please check again - is it in another format, perhaps with proposals for it to become a different named body as it is stated that they are putting forward proposals for either a 2-hospital trust or a 3-hospital trust.

As I understand it, it is also applying to become a Foundation Trust, and, as such I am surprised that you have NOTHING about it whatsoever.

Please may I ask that you do a further search to find out if there is any email or letter or record of a conversation or documentation or any record of a fax to see what is the position. This would indeed be an FOI Request, I aver. Thank you very much.
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2. May I ask if you know when South London Healthcare NHS Trust is going to give you their paperwork?

Following on from the above, I wish to repeat this as a question. If you have the information, then surely this is an FOI Request and please treat it as such.

*If you do not have the information, then please treat it as an enquiry and actually ask South London Healthcare NHS Trust yourself and then please give me the answer as per your response that you would treat this as enquiry and not as an FOI. Thank you.

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3. On the matter of Oxleas, which is a Foundation Trust, how do you monitor Oxleas if you do not know what their precise contractual details are with South London Healthcare NHS Trust?

This is a Freedom of Information Request to Monitor about Monitor's own methods of working. As such it must be recorded how you do this, and it is this that makes it recordable information that is data under the Freedom of Information Act 2000 I aver.

Please give me your answer as a Freedom of Information Request has been made. Thank you.

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4. Is there any proposal for Oxleas NHS Foundation Trust to join up with South London Healthcare NHS Trust to become a Foundation Trust of which you may know?

If this is recorded in a recordable way in Monitor, please treat this as a Freedom of Information Request.

If it is not, then please treat it as an enquiry as per yourresponse of 4 April 2012. Thank you very much.

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A full history of my FOI request and all correspondence is
available on the Internet at this address:
http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/so...

Yours sincerely,

[first name removed] [last name removed]

Campaigner for legal reform, liberty, truth and justice

Link to this
From: FOI
Monitor - Independent Regulator of NHS Foundation Trusts

5 April 2012
Dear Ms [last name removed],

Further to your clarification of your request and having understood the nature of your request Monitor will be treating it as a FOI request. Accordingly, it will be not be treated as an internal review but a new FOI request.

Although you clarified your request in the email dated 5 April 2012, we will respond to your request within 20 working days following the date of your initial email on 3 April 2012, so by 3 May 2012. This will mean that you will not have lost any working days in receiving a response.

Kind regards.

Monitor

5 April 2012

Dear Monitor,

Thank you very much fir your kind response - I look forward to having the response in the 20 working days for the NEW FOI Request for the follow-up questions. I am most grateful to you for accepting this as an FOI Request.

Vis-a-vis my Request for Internal Review, I wish my ORIGINAL FOI REQUEST of 5 March 2012 to have internal review, for although you may not have information about South London Healthcare NHS Trust as a working Foundation Trust, IF it is seeking to become an NHS Foundation Trust, you may have preliminary data about South London Healthcare NHS Trust and data about how it works and what has happened therein.

That is why I contacted you about SLHT.

Secondly, it is the overlap between Oxleas NHS Foundation Trust and South London Healthcare NHS Trust and the fact that Oxleas IS REGULATED BY MONITOR that makes it very pertinent to yourselves as the Regulator of Oxleas.

As explained previously, in my FOI Request, I have made several requests to the Care Quality Commission, to South London Healthcare NHS Trust and Oxleas NHS Foundation Trust but had little by way of response.

Therefore as the Regulator of Oxleas itself, I am asking you to check out about OXLEAS and its record vis-a-vis the questions I asked.

I look forward to having an Internal Review response from Monitor about this original FOI Request in due course.

I think the major issue is that of accountability and that where several service providers are "meshing" together, it can become a major issue of disentangling where responsibility begins and ends.

I am a supporter of the NHS and believe that it was a great deal more simple when everything was controlled by the Civil Service and the Secretary of State and Department of Health and a NATIONAL NHS.

I believe that this is all part and parcel of the ongoing radical shake-up of the Health and Social Care in the UK and hope that the new remit for Monitor will pay great dividends for all of us.

Thank you very much for your help, and I wish MONITOR every success for the future.

A full history of my FOI request and all correspondence is available on the Internet at this address:
http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/so...

Yours sincerely,

[first name removed] [last name removed]

Campaigner for legal reform, liberty, truth and justice

FOI, Independent Regulator of NHS Foundation Trusts

Appeal against Monitor’s decision under the Freedom of Information Act 2000

We acknowledge receipt of your email dated 5 April 2012 asking for an internal review.

This internal review will be considered in accordance with Monitor’s FOI Act policy as set out in Monitor’s decision letter. Accordingly, we aim to write to confirm the outcome of that review within 20 working days of receipt of your email.

If for any reason we are unable to achieve this, we shall inform you of any expected delay.

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FOI, Independent Regulator of NHS Foundation Trusts

1 Attachment

Please find attached a response to your request for information under the
Freedom of Information Act 2000 dated  5 April 2012 from Anne Fillis,
Portfolio Director.

 

Monitor - Independent Regulator of NHS Foundation Trusts

 

Stacey Connor, Independent Regulator of NHS Foundation Trusts

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Dear Ms [last name removed],

Please find attached a response to your requests for internal reviews of Monitor's responses to your Freedom of Information requests from Richard Guest, M&A and Restructuring Director.

Kind regards,

Monitor - Independent Regulator of NHS Foundation Trusts

Stacey Connor, Independent Regulator of NHS Foundation Trusts

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Dear Ms [last name removed],

Please find attached a response to your requests for internal reviews of Monitor's responses to your Freedom of Information requests from Richard Guest, M&A and Restructuring Director.

Kind regards,

Monitor - Independent Regulator of NHS Foundation Trusts