Snatch Land Rovers

Carl Harris made this Freedom of Information request to Ministry of Defence

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Dear Ministry of Defence,

I would like to make a request for information under the FOI Act 2000.

I would like to know how many of the Snatch Land Rovers are still in service, irrespective of their current platform configuration. These would be identified by an ERM in the range 25KK45 thru 35KK41 and may now exist in the form of the following platforms.

• TRUCK UTY MED (HT) W/VPK LANDROVER 110 V8 PTL
• TRUCK UTY MED (HT) W/VPK LAND ROVER 110 V8 PTL (DESERTISED)
• TRUCK UTY MED (HS) HT W/VPK 24V REFURBISHED 2005
• TRUCK UTY MED (HS) HT W/VPK 24V (WITH ACU) REFURBISHED 2005
• TRUCK UTY MED (HS) FFR HP 4X4 LAND ROVER 2.5LTR TURBO DSL W/EEGR WMIK BOWMAN NH (REFURBISHED)
• TRUCK UTY MED (HS) 4X4 GS LAND ROVER 110 2.5 LTR TURBO DSL CREW CAB W/EEGR MEDIA OPERATIONS SUPPORT
• REMOTE OPERATED VEHICLE (ROV) COUNTER IED 4X4 DSL PANAMA
• TRUCK UTY MED (HS) FFR HP 4X4 LAND ROVER 2.8 LTR TURBO DSL AUTO TRANSMISSION RWMIK BOWMAN SH
• TRUCK UTY MED (HS) HT W/VPK2 24V (WITH ACU) REFURBISHED 2005 IMPROVED PROTECTION VIXEN PLUS
Please include the number awaiting disposal through either Withams SV or Brightwells Auctions.

Yours faithfully,

Carl Harris

Army Sec-Group (MULTIUSER), Ministry of Defence

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Dear Mr Harris,

 

Please find attached a response to your recent FOI request.

Regards,

 

Army Secretariat

Dear Army Sec-Group (MULTIUSER),

Thank you for your response to my request of 24th September. I would like to clarify some things if I may:

Your response implies there are no vehicles currently awaiting disposal with either Withams or Brightwells, can you state explicitly if this is the case, and not just that the 2Bs and Vixens have not yet been slated for disposal with either party.

Can you confirm explicitly that there are no V8 vehicles (Snatch 1 and 1.5) and no 2A Snatch left in service.

Further, based on previous FOI data, I estimate as many as 16 Snatch Panama remain in service, 9 Media Ops, and 152 (R/E)WMIK(+). All of these with ERM in range 25KK45 thru 35KK41 would be re-platformed Snatch.

This would mean your total fleet of Snatch/Former Snatch vehicles is in the range of 425 to 430, can you confirm this is correct?

I look forward to your clarifications if you are able to help.

Yours sincerely,

Carl Harris

Dear Army Sec-Group (MULTIUSER),

I wonder if I can get an update on my query please?

Yours sincerely,
Carl Harris

Dear Ministry of Defence,

Please pass this on to the person who conducts Freedom of Information reviews.

I am writing to request an internal review of Ministry of Defence's handling of my FOI request 'Snatch Land Rovers'.

The original request was not directly answered at all as framed, I then sought clarification based on the information that was provided and received no response.

A full history of my FOI request and all correspondence is available on the Internet at this address: https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/s...

Yours faithfully,

Carl Harris

CIO-FOI-IR (MULTIUSER), Ministry of Defence

Dear Mr Harris,

 

Thank you for your enquiry of 13 November 2018.  Our understanding is that
your grievance is not so much about the response given to FOI2017/11989 on
4 Oct 2018 but about the lack of response you received to a follow-up
clarification enquiry to that response, on 5 October 2018, which we are
sorry did not previously receive a reply.

 

Taking each of your follow-up questions in turn:

 

[1] Your response implies there are no vehicles currently awaiting
disposal with either Withams or Brightwells, can you state explicitly if
this is the case, and not just that the 2Bs and Vixens have not yet been
slated for disposal with either party.

 

Answer: We can confirm that no vehicles are currently awaiting disposal
with either Withams or Brightwells. 

 

[2] Can you confirm explicitly that there are no V8 vehicles (Snatch 1 and
1.5) and no 2A Snatch left in service.

 

Answer: we can confirm that there are no Snatch 1, 1.5s or 2As in
service. 

 

[3] This would mean your total fleet of Snatch/Former Snatch vehicles is
in the range of 425 to 430, can you confirm this is correct?

 

Your third question is not clear to us and needs clarification.  When you
say “total fleet” do you mean you want to know the total number of all the
Snatch vehicles used by MOD now and in the past (an historical question:
current fleet + disposed vehicles combined) or do you want to know the
total number of vehicles in the current in-service fleet regardless of the
original configuration of the vehicles.  The use of the term “Former
Snatch vehicles” is not understood by us: do you mean reconfigured
vehicles, in which case we can confirm that no such reconfigurations have
taken place? 

 

We consider that the former would constitute a new information request
under the Act and would require us to carry out fresh searches in order to
be able to meet the full requirements of the legislation.   If you confirm
that this is the information you require we can arrange for it to be
processed in the normal way.

 

Meanwhile, as previously stated in our response of 4 October 2018, the
total in-service fleet comprises 254 vehicles.

 

Yours sincerely,

 

MOD Information Rights Compliance Team

 

Dear CIO-FOI-IR (MULTIUSER),

Thank you for your response to items 2 and 3 in my clarification follow up.

The underlying premise on identifying how many of the original Snatch vehicles are still in service is predicated on the fact that they all, bar 17KK91 and 56KK55, had ERM in the range 25KK45 to 35KK41. This represents a total of 997 vehicles.

Based on the MERLIN Archive publication via FOI in the summer it is evident that of these:

- 156 were converted to 2Bs (Asset Code: NB50053100 / NSN: 2320999086771) and 2 of these have been cast.
- 10 were converted to Media Ops (Asset Code: NB50403100 / NSN: 2320999086976) all in service
- 30 were converted to Panama ROV (Asset Code: JR12513500 / NSN: 1385999087749) of which at least 16 have been cast
- 25 were converted to WMIK (Asset Code: NB50323161 / NSN: 2320999087392) only one has been cast
- 127 were converted to RWMIK (Asset Code: NB50323171 / NSN: 2320999087623) all in service
- 100 were converted to Vixen+ (Asset Code: NB50043101 / NSN: 2320999087580) all in service

By converted I mean, either the vehicle was modified by NP Aerospace or Ricardo SV to one of these configurations or the ERM was redeployed on new running gear in one of these configurations.

So, when I ask how many of the original fleet are in service, it is of these 997 ERM to which I refer, in the configurations listed above. I have estimated it as being:

154 (2B) + 10 (MOPS) + 14 (Panama) + 24 (WMIK) + 127 (RWMIK) + 100 (Vixen+) = 429

It is this figure of 429 I seek confirmation on. I suspect the number may be lower since the FOI request from Jun 2018 shows cast dates as at the closure of Merlin and does not reflect the situation as at the time of my request.

I look forward to hearing from you.

Yours sincerely,

Carl Harris

CIO-FOI-IR (MULTIUSER), Ministry of Defence

Dear Mr Harris,

Thank you for your clarification of your request to know how many of the original Snatch vehicles are still in service. This will need to be processed as a new information request, in order to meet the requirements of the Act.

It has been passed to the Army Secretariat today for their attention.

You can expect to have a response within 20 working days. Any problems please let us know.

Yours sincerely

MOD Information Rights Compliance Team

CIO-FOI-IR (MULTIUSER), Ministry of Defence

Dear Mr Harris,

Our reference number for the new RFI is FOI2018/14858, with a target date of 19th December 2018.

Yours sincerely

MOD Information Rights Compliance Team

Army Sec-Group (MULTIUSER), Ministry of Defence

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Dear Mr Harris

 

Please find attached a response to your recent FOI request

 

Army Secretariat

Dear Army Sec-Group (MULTIUSER),

Thank you for your response, I will clarify my request and revert as soon as possible.

Yours sincerely,
Carl Harris

Dear Army Sec-Group (MULTIUSER),

In clarification, can you establish which of the following ERM are still in service. If these 47 ERM would exceed the time constraints please advise how many can be processed within and I will revise the request accordingly.

26KK13, 26KK73, 26KK84, 27KK38, 27KK55, 27KK67, 28KK00, 28KK02, 28KK04, 28KK10
28KK11, 28KK17, 28KK19, 28KK21, 28KK22, 28KK26, 28KK34, 28KK35, 28KK41, 28KK43
28KK45, 28KK51, 28KK54, 28KK56, 28KK62, 28KK63, 28KK70, 28KK74, 28KK75, 28KK79
28KK83, 28KK90, 28KK91, 28KK92, 28KK95, 29KK29, 30KK54, 30KK57, 30KK61, 30KK82
31KK20, 32KK41, 32KK87, 33KK23, 33KK29, 33KK55, 34KK04

Many thanks
Carl Harris

Army Sec-Group (MULTIUSER), Ministry of Defence

Dear Mr Harris

Your request has been logged under our reference FOI2019/00066 and the target date for response is 30th January.

Yours sincerely,

Army Secretariat

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Army Sec-Group (MULTIUSER), Ministry of Defence

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Dear Mr Harris

 

Please find a response to your recent FOI.

 

Kind Regards

 

Army Sec