Shoplifting and petrol station drive-offs in Cardiff

Hannah Waldram made this Freedom of Information request to South Wales Police

The request was successful.

From: Hannah Waldram

4 January 2011

Dear South Wales Police,

I am writing to request information from you under the Freedom of
Information Act 2000 regarding the number of crimes of shoplifting
and petrol station thefts in Cardiff in the last three years.

I would like to know the following information:

How many reports of shoplifting were received in Cardiff in the
last three years (if this could be broken down by ward that would
be preferable).

How many people were convicted of shoplifting in Cardiff in the
last three years?

How many people were convicted of petrol station drive offs in
Cardiff in the last three years.

How many reports of petrol station drive offs in Cardiff were
received in the last three years.

I would prefer to receive this information electronically, in a
spreadsheet or text document form and where possible broken down by
ward area.

If the decision is made to withhold some of this data using
exemptions in the act, please cite the exemptions used. If the
information is already available elsewhere please do point me in
the right direction.

If you are only able to release some of the information I would
ask that you release this data rather than withhold the entire set.

If this information is unclear or you need further details from
myself please do not hesitate to ring me on the number below or
email this address - I would expect to be contacted should you need
any clarification.

Please can you confirm that you have received this request and
I'd like to remind you that under the freedom of information act
2000 you are bound to respond in 20 days.

Yours faithfully,

Hannah Waldram

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South Wales Police

5 January 2011


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Dear Ms Waldram,

I write to advise that I am in receipt of your e-mail dated 4^th January
2011, regarding shoplifting and petrol station drive offs in Cardiff.

This letter confirms that your request has now been passed to our FOI
officers who will review the contents of your request and establish if a)
your request is valid under the FOI Act and b) if any further
clarification is required from you to allow us to progress further.

Should you wish to contact us regarding your request, please quote
reference number 04/11 on any correspondence. Should you wish to contact
us by e-mail, please do so using the mail box
[1][South Wales Police request email]. (Please do not reply directly to my own
e-mail address as this may result in a further delay to your request).

South Wales Police provides you the right to request a re-examination of
your case under its review procedure (copy attached). If you decide to
request such a review and having followed the Constabulary's full process
you are still dissatisfied, then you have the right to direct your
comments to the Information Commissioner who will give it consideration.

Kind Regards

Sally Hillman

Freedom of Information Officer/Swyddog Rhyddid Gwybodaeth

South Wales Police HQ / Pencadlys yr Heddlu

Cowbridge Road / Heol y Bont-Faen

BRIDGEND / PENYBONT AR OGWR

CF31 3SU

( Internal / Mewnol: 20955

( External / Allanol: 01656 869439

: Email / E-bost : [2][email address] /
[3][email address]

[4]www.south-wales.police.uk / [5]www.heddlu-de-cyrmru.police.uk

[6][South Wales Police request email]

P Please consider the environment - do you really need to print this
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Crime in South Wales at its lowest for 25 Years.
South Wales Police is the 9th most improved force in England & Wales for
overall crime reduction with over 15,000 fewer victims of
crime. Mae troseddau yn Ne
Cymru ar eu lefel isaf er 25 mlynedd.Yn nalgylch Heddlu De Cymru y bu*r
9fed gostyngiad mwyaf mewn troseddau drwy Gymru a Lloegr, gyda 15,000 yn
llai yn dioddef trosedd.

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South Wales Police

31 January 2011


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Dear Ms Waldram,

I write in connection with your request for information dated 4^th
January, regarding shoplifting and making off without payment.

Your request for information has now been considered and our response is
attached.

I trust that this information answers your request. Should you have any
queries and wish to contact us by e-mail, please do so using the mail box
[1][South Wales Police request email]. (Please do not reply directly to my own
e-mail address as this may result in a delay to your request).

South Wales Police provides you the right to request a re-examination of
your case under its review procedure (copy attached). If you decide to
request such a review and having followed the Forces full process you are
still dissatisfied, then you have the right to direct your comments to the
Information Commissioner who will give it consideration.

Judith LEWIS

Freedom of Information Officer/Swyddog Rhyddid Gwybodaeth

South Wales Police HQ / Pencadlys yr Heddlu

Cowbridge Road / Heol y Bont-Faen

BRIDGEND / PENYBONT

CF31 3SU

Telephone 01656 306161

( Internal / Mewnol: 20663

: Email / E-bost : [2][email address] /
[3][email address]

[4]www.south-wales.police.uk / [5]www.heddlu-de-cyrmru.police.uk

[6][South Wales Police request email]

Crime in South Wales at its lowest for 25 Years.
South Wales Police is the 9th most improved force in England & Wales for
overall crime reduction with over 13,000 fewer victims of
crime. Mae troseddau yn Ne
Cymru ar eu lefel isaf er 25 mlynedd.Yn nalgylch Heddlu De Cymru y bu*r
9fed gostyngiad mwyaf mewn troseddau drwy Gymru a Lloegr, gyda 13,000 yn
llai yn dioddef trosedd.

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From: Hannah Waldram

31 January 2011

Dear South Wales Police,

Thank you for sending me the information as requested. Would it be
possible to have this data broken down by year (as opposed to the
total for three years?)?

Thank you for satisfying my request and breaking down the data by
ward level. This extra breakdown of the information would be very
helpful.

Yours faithfully,

Hannah Waldram

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South Wales Police

1 February 2011

Dear Ms Waldram,

The breakdown by year would need to be dealt with as a new request as I
don't have the information broken down annual on you file. I would have
to go back to the division for new data to be retrieved as currently I
only have the statistics on file for the entire period.

Do you want me to proceed with a new request or are you happy with the
data already supplied?

Should you wish to discuss this, please do not hesitate to contact me by
phone.

Kind Regards

Judith LEWIS
Freedom of Information Officer/Swyddog Rhyddid Gwybodaeth
South Wales Police HQ / Pencadlys yr Heddlu
Cowbridge Road / Heol y Bont-Faen
BRIDGEND / PENYBONT
CF31 3SU
Telephone 01656 306161
TTInternal / Mewnol: 20663
Email / E-bost : [email address] /
[email address]
www.south-wales.police.uk / www.heddlu-de-cyrmru.police.uk
[South Wales Police request email]

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From: Hannah Waldram

1 February 2011

Dear South Wales Police,

I would like to process this question as a new request as you
suggest to go with the data already supplied.

Yours faithfully,

Hannah Waldram

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South Wales Police

2 February 2011


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Dear Hannah,

I write to advise that I am in receipt of your e-mail dated 1^st February
2011, regarding a further request in relation to shoplifting and making
off without payment.

This letter confirms that your request has now been passed to our FOI
officers who will review the contents of your request and establish if a)
your request is valid under the FOI Act and b) if any further
clarification is required from you to allow us to progress further.

Should you wish to contact us regarding your request, please quote
reference number 78/11 on any correspondence. Should you wish to contact
us by e-mail, please do so using the mail box
[1][South Wales Police request email]. (Please do not reply directly to my own
e-mail address as this may result in a further delay to your request).

South Wales Police provides you the right to request a re-examination of
your case under its review procedure (copy attached). If you decide to
request such a review and having followed the Constabulary's full process
you are still dissatisfied, then you have the right to direct your
comments to the Information Commissioner who will give it consideration.

Jodie Woodman

Review, Retention, Disposal Reviewer

Adolygwyr Arolygon, Dargedwedd, Gwerthiannau

Cardiff Central Police Station

Gorsaf Heddlu Caerdydd Ganolog

King Edward VII Ave

Rhodfa'r Brenin Edward VII

Cathays Park

Parc Cathays

Cardiff CF10 3NN

Caerdydd CF10 3NN

DD/LIU: 02920 222 111 Ext/Est: 30737

E-mail/E-bost: [2][email address]

Visit our website: [3]www.south-wales.police.uk

Ewchi'n gwefarr: [4]www.heddlu-de-cymru.police.uk

P Please consider the environment - do you really need to print
this email? / Ystyriwch yr amgylchedd - oes angen argraffu'r e-bost hwn
mewn gwirionedd?

Crime in South Wales at its lowest for 25 Years.
South Wales Police is the 9th most improved force in England & Wales for
overall crime reduction with over 13,000 fewer victims of
crime. Mae troseddau yn Ne
Cymru ar eu lefel isaf er 25 mlynedd.Yn nalgylch Heddlu De Cymru y bu*r
9fed gostyngiad mwyaf mewn troseddau drwy Gymru a Lloegr, gyda 13,000 yn
llai yn dioddef trosedd.

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South Wales Police

23 February 2011


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Dear Ms Waldram,

I write in connection with your request for information dated 1^st
February, regarding annual breakdown of figures previously provided under
request 004/11.

Your request for information has now been considered and our response is
attached.

I trust that this information answers your request. Should you have any
queries and wish to contact us by e-mail, please do so using the mail box
[1][South Wales Police request email]. (Please do not reply directly to my own
e-mail address as this may result in a delay to your request).

South Wales Police provides you the right to request a re-examination of
your case under its review procedure (copy attached). If you decide to
request such a review and having followed the Forces full process you are
still dissatisfied, then you have the right to direct your comments to the
Information Commissioner who will give it consideration.

Judith LEWIS

Freedom of Information Officer/Swyddog Rhyddid Gwybodaeth

South Wales Police HQ / Pencadlys yr Heddlu

Cowbridge Road / Heol y Bont-Faen

BRIDGEND / PENYBONT

CF31 3SU

Telephone 01656 306161

( Internal / Mewnol: 20663

: Email / E-bost : [2][email address] /
[3][email address]

[4]www.south-wales.police.uk / [5]www.heddlu-de-cymru.police.uk

[6][South Wales Police request email]

Crime in South Wales at its lowest for 25 Years.
South Wales Police is the 9th most improved force in England & Wales for
overall crime reduction with over 13,000 fewer victims of
crime. Mae troseddau yn Ne
Cymru ar eu lefel isaf er 25 mlynedd.Yn nalgylch Heddlu De Cymru y bu*r
9fed gostyngiad mwyaf mewn troseddau drwy Gymru a Lloegr, gyda 13,000 yn
llai yn dioddef trosedd.

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From: Hannah Waldram

24 February 2011

Dear South Wales Police,

Thank you for responding to my freedom of information request. I
have the information I requested so thanks very much.

Yours faithfully,

Hannah Waldram

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South Wales Police

24 February 2011

I am away from the office until Monday 28th February and will respond to
your e-mail upon my return. Alternatively, if your enquiry relates to a
Freedom of Information request please forward your e-mail to the FOI
inbox [email address]. or you can speak to my colleagues
on 01656 306163

Crime in South Wales at its lowest for 25 Years.
South Wales Police is the 9th most improved force in England & Wales for
overall crime reduction with over 13,000 fewer victims of
crime. Mae troseddau yn Ne
Cymru ar eu lefel isaf er 25 mlynedd.Yn nalgylch Heddlu De Cymru y bu*r
9fed gostyngiad mwyaf mewn troseddau drwy Gymru a Lloegr, gyda 13,000 yn
llai yn dioddef trosedd.

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From: Hannah Waldram

1 March 2011

Dear South Wales Police,

Could you clarify why there is no data set for petrol drive offs in
Ely? The set only includes one entry for 2009.

Yours faithfully,

Hannah Waldram

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South Wales Police

3 March 2011

Dear Hannah,

Our apologies - there should have been a naught in the boxes as there
were no recorded offences of making off without payment from petrol
stations in 2008 & 2010.

Kind Regards

Judith

Judith LEWIS
Freedom of Information Officer/Swyddog Rhyddid Gwybodaeth
South Wales Police HQ / Pencadlys yr Heddlu
Cowbridge Road / Heol y Bont-Faen
BRIDGEND / PENYBONT
CF31 3SU
Telephone 01656 306161
TTInternal / Mewnol: 20663
Email / E-bost : [email address] /
[email address]
www.south-wales.police.uk / www.heddlu-de-cymru.police.uk
[South Wales Police request email]

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From: Hannah Waldram

15 March 2011

Dear South Wales Police,

Thank you for responding in full to my previous freedom of
information request regarding the reports of shoplifting and petrol
station thefts in Cardiff.

I would like to submit another freedom of information request on
this same subject.

Could you please tell me the number of people given a fixed penalty
notice (who were charged, arrested and fined) for both offences in
the last three years, broken down by year and ward level (as
before).

So the information I would like is as follows:
- The number of people charged, arrested and issued a fixed penalty
notice for shoplifting in Cardiff in the last three years broken
down by ward
- The number of people charged, arrested and issued a fine or
convicted for petrol theft at petrol stations

If this information could be passed on electronically this would be
preferred - in an xls. spreadsheet format (not pdf) if possible.

I would like to remind you of the 20 day response time and that you
are required to advise me on how better to phrase my request if
this is not clear. I would also ask if some of the information is
available that you would release this rather than withhold the
whole data set.

I look forward to hearing from you.

Yours faithfully,

Hannah Waldram

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Hannah Waldram left an annotation (15 March 2011)

Quote-marks This request is so far partially successful because while the reports of shoplifting do show some interesting statistics - they really do need to be compared to the number of actual convictions compared to the reports.

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South Wales Police

23 March 2011

Dear Hannah,

I write in relation to your request dated the 15^th March, requesting
further information to your earlier requests numbered 004/11 & 078/11.

It is not possible to progress your request at this time, as clarification
is needed from you to enable us to locate the information you have asked
for.

From the questions, as you have posed them, I am a little confused about
exactly what additional information you want.

In relation to shoplifting you have asked for number of persons charged,
arrested and issued with a fixed penalty notice, whereas in relation to
`make off without payment' you have asked for persons charged, arrested
and given a fine or conviction.

Please could you confirm exactly what you require - do you want the same
type of data for each crime category or was the difference between the two
deliberate?

Furthermore, we are unlikely to be able to provide the above information,
within the appropriate fees limit, if you still want the figures broken
down by sector as it's likely we'll need to individually interrogate each
file.

It may be easier if you telephone me regarding this request so that we can
discuss the possibilities and problems in retrieving some of this
information and I look forward to hearing from you.

In line with the Freedom of Information Act 2000 Section 10(6), the 20
working day timescale will be suspended until the required clarification
has been received, restarting on the date when the information is
received.

Kind Regards

Judith

Judith LEWIS

Freedom of Information Officer/Swyddog Rhyddid Gwybodaeth

South Wales Police HQ / Pencadlys yr Heddlu

Cowbridge Road / Heol y Bont-Faen

BRIDGEND / PENYBONT

CF31 3SU

Telephone 01656 306161

( Internal / Mewnol: 20663

: Email / E-bost : [1][email address] /
[2][email address]

[3]www.south-wales.police.uk / [4]www.heddlu-de-cymru.police.uk

[5][South Wales Police request email]

Crime in South Wales at its lowest for 25 Years.
South Wales Police is the 9th most improved force in England & Wales for
overall crime reduction with over 13,000 fewer victims of
crime. Mae troseddau yn Ne
Cymru ar eu lefel isaf er 25 mlynedd.Yn nalgylch Heddlu De Cymru y bu**r
9fed gostyngiad mwyaf mewn troseddau drwy Gymru a Lloegr, gyda 13,000 yn
llai yn dioddef trosedd.

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From: Hannah Waldram

23 March 2011

Dear Judith,

Thank you for your reply - just to add in writing that we have
spoken about this over the phone. Any more problems and do not
hesitate to call.

Yours faithfully,

Hannah Waldram

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South Wales Police

24 March 2011

Dear Ms Waldram,

I write to advise that I am in receipt of your e-mail dated 15^th March
2011 regarding Shoplifting and Petrol Theft in Cardiff.

This letter confirms that your request has now been passed to our FOI
officers who will review the contents of your request and establish if a)
your request is valid under the FOI Act and b) if any further
clarification is required from you to allow us to progress further.

Should you wish to contact us regarding your request, please quote
reference number 202/11 on any correspondence. Should you wish to contact
us by e-mail, please do so using the mail box
[1][South Wales Police request email]. (Please do not reply directly to my own
e-mail address as this may result in a further delay to your request).

South Wales Police provides you the right to request a re-examination of
your case under its review procedure (copy attached). If you decide to
request such a review and having followed the Constabulary's full process
you are still dissatisfied, then you have the right to direct your
comments to the Information Commissioner who will give it consideration.

Regards

Eloise Rosser

Freedom of Information Officer

South Wales Police Headquarters

Cowbridge Road

Bridgend

CF31 3SU

External / Allanol: 01656 306163

Internal / Mewnol: 20635

Email: [email address]

Web: www.south-wales.police.uk / www.heddlu-de-cymru.police.uk

Crime in South Wales at its lowest for 25 Years.
South Wales Police is the 9th most improved force in England & Wales for
overall crime reduction with over 13,000 fewer victims of
crime. Mae troseddau yn Ne
Cymru ar eu lefel isaf er 25 mlynedd.Yn nalgylch Heddlu De Cymru y bu**r
9fed gostyngiad mwyaf mewn troseddau drwy Gymru a Lloegr, gyda 13,000 yn
llai yn dioddef trosedd.

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South Wales Police

12 April 2011


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Dear Ms Waldram,

I write in connection with your request for information dated 15^th March
2011, regarding shoplifting and making off without payment from petrol
stations.

Your request for information has now been considered and our response is
attached.

I trust that this information answers your request. Should you have any
queries and wish to contact us by e-mail, please do so using the mail box
[1][South Wales Police request email]. (Please do not reply directly to my own
e-mail address as this may result in a delay to your request).

South Wales Police provides you the right to request a re-examination of
your case under its review procedure (copy attached). If you decide to
request such a review and having followed the Forces full process you are
still dissatisfied, then you have the right to direct your comments to the
Information Commissioner who will give it consideration.

Kind Regards

Sally Hillman

Freedom of Information Officer/Swyddog Rhyddid Gwybodaeth

South Wales Police HQ / Pencadlys yr Heddlu

Cowbridge Road / Heol y Bont-Faen

BRIDGEND / PENYBONT AR OGWR

CF31 3SU

( Internal / Mewnol: 20955

( External / Allanol: 01656 869439

: Email / E-bost : [2][email address] /
[3][email address]

[4]www.south-wales.police.uk / [5]www.heddlu-de-cyrmru.police.uk

[6][South Wales Police request email]

P Please consider the environment - do you really need to print this
email? / Ystyriwch yr amgylchedd - oes angen argraffu'r e-bost hwn mewn
gwirionedd

Crime in South Wales at its lowest for 25 Years.
South Wales Police is the 9th most improved force in England & Wales for
overall crime reduction with over 13,000 fewer victims of
crime. Mae troseddau yn Ne
Cymru ar eu lefel isaf er 25 mlynedd.Yn nalgylch Heddlu De Cymru y bu**r
9fed gostyngiad mwyaf mewn troseddau drwy Gymru a Lloegr, gyda 13,000 yn
llai yn dioddef trosedd.

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William Old left an annotation (23 April 2011)

Quote-marks Hannah,

Unfortunately, the problem with FoI responses is that they can sometimes be misleading because the people providing them are often not police officers.

There is no criminal offence of "making off without payment" - you need to look at Section 3 of the Theft Act 1978, which states:
"Subject to subsection (3) below, a person who, knowing that payment on the spot for any goods supplied or service done is required or expected from him, dishonestly makes off without having paid as required or expected and with intent to avoid payment of the amount due shall be guilty of an offence."

As you can see, the offence is to DISHONESTLY make off without payment. Often, because of the way that the Home Office has directed police forces to record crime, a S.3 offence is recorded simply because someone hasn't paid, which isn't an offence. Police forces used to obtain a statement from petrol station attendants relating to such allegations, only to find that there was no evidence of dishonesty whatsoever, and indeed many petrol stations used to deduct till shortages at the end of a shift from the attendant's pay, so go figure...!

The Theft Act 1978 was enacted for England and Wales to cater for lacunae (loopholes) in the Theft Act 1968 - for example, it isn't theft if a person fills their petrol tank intending to pay, then afterwards changes their mind about paying, because for it to be theft the person must "dishonestly appropriates property belonging to another with the intention of permanently depriving the other of it" - intention formed AFTER appropriation doesn't count, so the loophole was plugged with the S.3 offence ten years later.

Neither Theft Act applies to Scotland, which has its own legal systems.

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Richard Taylor left an annotation ( 6 May 2011)

Quote-marks An article based on this FOI response is available at:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/cardiff/2011/a...

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