SEN - Out of district information

R Tozer made this Freedom of Information request to North Somerset Council

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Dear North Somerset Council,

I refer to your document Report to the children & young people policy & scrutiny committee date of meeting: 20 June 2019 subject of report: expansion, including a 2nd site for Baytree special school it is mentioned within para 1.2
“The DSG’s deficit has grown over the last 3 years to -£2.375m. This is partly due to the cost of out of the district places where local demand cannot be secured.”

To aid my understanding of how this deficit has grown and to ascertain the actual ‘.........out of the district places.......” Please provide information based only on students aged between 3 – 19 years, who would likely have a EHCP at sometime in their lifetime and have a primary need of either Severe Learning Difficulties (SLD) or Profound and Multiple Learning Difficulties (PMLD)

Please provide for the (a) last 5 years, (b) current year(2020) and (c) projected 5 years (please state percentage growth rate if no projected figures available);-

1. Annual number of students who have been or likely to be placed out of district
2. Annual Breakdown of educational costs , eg Place fee, Top-up Funding, Other
3. Annual Breakdown of transportation costs eg via individual taxi, minibus, passenger supporter, etc.
4. Any other costs not shown in 2 and 3 above which should help to indicate the meaning of the phase “partly due to the cost”

Thank you

Yours faithfully,

R Tozer

FoI, North Somerset Council

Information request
Our reference: 3060280
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Dear R Tozer

Thank you for your request regarding 'SEN - Out of district information',
made under the Freedom of Information Act 2000.

Your request has been allocated reference 3060280 and we will respond by
the 20th working day, which is on 29 October 2020.  Please quote this
reference in any correspondence with us relating to this matter.

Please note: in light of the current situation, while every effort will be
made to provide you with a response within the legal timeframes, we will
not ask officers to prioritise this request over essential Covid-19
response duties.  We appreciate your understanding in this matter.

If you wish to know how we will use your personal data, please read our
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Many thanks

Sinead Johnson
Information Governance Officer
North Somerset Council
Tel: 01934 634609
Email: [email address]
Web: www.n-somerset.gov.uk

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Dear FoI,
I am reminded that NSC should have responded to this request by 30th October 2020
Please advise

Yours sincerely,

R Tozer

FoI, North Somerset Council

Dear Mr Tozer

Thank you for your email.

Please accept my sincerest apologies for the delay in responding to your
recent FOI request.   

Unfortunately we are still waiting for some information from the relevant
department but please rest assured that we have not forgotten you and are
still working very hard to chase for the information.  As soon as we have
received the information, we will be in touch.

In the meantime, if you have any further queries, please do not hesitate
to contact us.

Again, please accept my apologies for the delay and any inconvenience
caused.

Kind regards

Sinead Johnson
Information Governance Officer
North Somerset Council
Email: [email address]
Tel:     01934 634609
Post:   Town Hall, Walliscote Grove Road, Weston-super-Mare, BS23 1UJ
Web:   www.n-somerset.gov.uk

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Dear FoI,
The response is now over a fortnight delayed and is casuing inconvenience

I am obliged to inform you that unless I have had a meaningfull response from you by the end of the week (Friday 20th November )I will need to ask the ICO for advice

Yours sincerely,

R Tozer

FoI, North Somerset Council

Dear Mr Tozer

Please accept my apologies for the delay and any inconvenience caused.

Unfortunately I am not dealing with your request myself therefore I have
asked the case handling officer to contact you with an update as a matter
of urgency.  They will therefore be in contact in due course.

Kind regards

Sinead Johnson
Information Governance Officer
North Somerset Council

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North Somerset Council

Dear Mr Tozer
 
My apologies for the delay in responding.  I am still waiting for a
response to one of your questions, and have chased the officer responsible
a number of times. I will chase this again and get back to you as soon as
possible.
 
Regards
Christine Coomber
Directorate Governance Co-ordinator

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North Somerset Council

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Dear Mr Tozer
 
Following my email earlier today, I thought it might help if I provided
you with the information I have already collated so that you have at least
a partial response to your request.   I am therefore attaching a
spreadsheet showing the the figures for questions 1 and 2.  I am still
waiting for the annual breakdown of transportation costs from our
Integrated Transport Unit, and will forward these as soon as I have them.
 
My apologies again that this is so long overdue.
 
 
Regards
Christine Coomber
Directorate Governance Co-ordinator

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North Somerset Council

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Dear Mr Tozer
 
This is the second spreadsheet showing the answer to question 2.
 
Regards
Christine Coomber
Directorate Governance Co-ordinator
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Dear Mr Tozer
 
Following my email earlier today, I thought it might help if I provided
you with the information I have already collated so that you have at least
a partial response to your request.   I am therefore attaching a
spreadsheet showing the the figures for questions 1 and 2.  I am still
waiting for the annual breakdown of transportation costs from our
Integrated Transport Unit, and will forward these as soon as I have them.
 
My apologies again that this is so long overdue.
 
 
Regards
Christine Coomber
Directorate Governance Co-ordinator

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Dear North Somerset Council,

Please provide an update in supplying the information still outstanding
Thank you
Yours sincerely,

R Tozer

North Somerset Council

My apologies - I'm still waiting for information from the relevant
officer. I will chase again.
 
Christine.

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Dear North Somerset Council,

Please provide an update in supplying the information still outstanding

Thank you

Yours sincerely,

R Tozer

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Dear North Somerset Council,

Please pass this on to the person who conducts Freedom of Information reviews.

I am writing to request an internal review of North Somerset Council's handling of my FOI request 'SEN - Out of district information'.

I am still waiting for a full response to this Request first dated 3rd Oct. Please say when I can expect a full reply.
Thank you

A full history of my FOI request and all correspondence is available on the Internet at this address: https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/s...

Yours faithfully,

R Tozer

North Somerset Council

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Dear Mr Tozer
 
Please find attached our response to question 3 of your request.  My
apologies once again that there has been a delay in getting this
information to you.
 
Regards
Christine Coomber
Directorate Governance Co-ordinator

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Dear North Somerset Council,

Please provide an update in supplying the information still outstanding

Thank you

Yours sincerely,

R Tozer

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Dear North Somerset Council,
Thank you for providing this information

Yours sincerely,

R Tozer

Dear North Somerset Council,

I think it resonable to ask for an explanation for a comment included within the spreadsheet in connection with question 3, namely;- "Please note that we are only able to provide you with information from 2018 onwards as the database we use to store this information is currently undergoing a re-build."
Is this a refusal or is the re-build something that is anticipated to take infinite time?

I notice that I am still awaiting an answer to Part 4 of my orginal request;-
4. Any other costs not shown in 2 and 3 above which should help to indicate the meaning of the phase “partly due to the cost”

Please provide explanations or complete the already requested IR (see 2rd Dec 2020)

Thank you

Yours sincerely,

R Tozer

North Somerset Council

Dear Mr Tozer
 
The system is being over-hauled, with an expected completion date of
January 2021, but the service doesn't have any confidence that the
historical records will be retrieved.
 
In terms of question 4, I have checked again, and confirm that all the
costs involved have been mentioned in questions 2 and 3.
 
Regards
 
Christine Coomber
Directorate Governance Co-ordinator

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Dear North Somerset Council,

I think it resonable to ask for an explanation for a comment included
within the spreadsheet in connection with question 3, namely;- "Please
note that we are only able to provide you with information from 2018
onwards as the database we use to store this information is currently
undergoing a re-build."

Is this a refusal or is the re-build something that is anticipated to take
infinite time?

I notice that I am still awaiting an answer to Part 4 of my orginal
request;-

4. Any other costs not shown in 2 and 3 above which should help to
indicate the meaning of the phase 'partly due to the cost'

Please provide explanations or complete the already requested IR (see 2rd
Dec 2020)

Thank you

Yours sincerely,

R Tozer

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Dear North Somerset Council,

Please pass this on to the person who conducts Freedom of Information reviews.

I am writing to request an internal review of North Somerset Council's handling of my FOI request 'SEN - Out of district information'.

I asked;- “The DSG’s deficit has grown over the last 3 years to -£2.375m. This is partly due to the cost of out of the district places where local demand cannot be secured.”

To aid my understanding of how this deficit has grown and to ascertain the actual ‘.........out of the district places.......” Please provide information based only on students aged between 3 – 19 years, who would likely have a EHCP at sometime in their lifetime and have a primary need of either Severe Learning Difficulties (SLD) or Profound and Multiple Learning Difficulties (PMLD).

I was hoping for information "To aid my understanding of how this deficit has grown". The response does not allow me to do that.

I apoligise for any misunderstanding that I may have caused.

A full history of my FOI request and all correspondence is available on the Internet at this address: https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/s...

Yours faithfully,

R Tozer

North Somerset Council

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Dear R Tozer
 
Many thanks your request for an internal review into your Freedom of
Information request for "SEN - Out of district information".  Please find
attached my findings.
 
Kindest regards
 
Lynsey Wilson 

Information Governance Manager
North Somerset Council

Tel:      01275 885117
Email: [email address]
Post:   Town Hall, Walliscote Grove Road, Weston-super-Mare, BS23 1UJ
Web:   [1]www.n-somerset.gov.uk

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From: R Tozer <[FOI #695812 email]>
Sent: 19 December 2020 16:29
To: FoI <[email address]>
Subject: Internal review of Freedom of Information request - SEN - Out of
district information
 
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Dear North Somerset Council,

Please pass this on to the person who conducts Freedom of Information
reviews.

I am writing to request an internal review of North Somerset Council's
handling of my FOI request 'SEN - Out of district information'.

I asked;- 'The DSG's deficit has grown over the last 3 years to -£2.375m.
This is partly due to the cost of out of the district places where local
demand cannot be secured.'

To aid my understanding of how this deficit has grown and to ascertain the
actual '.........out of the district places.......' Please provide
information based only on students aged between 3 - 19 years, who would
likely have a EHCP at sometime in their lifetime and have a primary need
of either Severe Learning Difficulties (SLD) or Profound and Multiple
Learning Difficulties (PMLD).

I was hoping for information "To aid my understanding of how this deficit
has grown". The response does not allow me to do that.

I apoligise for any misunderstanding that I may have caused.

A full history of my FOI request and all correspondence is available on
the Internet at this address:
[2]https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/s...

Yours faithfully,

R Tozer

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