Selective treatment of patients

David Hansen made this Freedom of Information request to Chelsea and Westminster Hospital NHS Foundation Trust

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Dear Chelsea and Westminster Hospital NHS Foundation Trust,

I have been directed here following an earlier enquiry http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/se...

I refer to the article at http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/dec/12... which claims that you have been selectively providing treatment to one group of people but not others. This is not a matter of certain treatments not being provided at one hospital for anyone, but of available treatments being deliberately not provided to a group of people. This is in contravention of one of the founding principles of the NHS, I hope you know which one, which is a far older concept and had it been done in a war would have been in breach of the Geneva Conventions.

Please assist me with my enquiries by answering the following questions:

1) Is it true that the police were dictating who was to be treated in the hospital?

2) If it is true, what medical training do the police have to decide where patients should be treated? In what way is this training superior to that of hospital or ambulance staff? You must have records of the evaluation of this. Incidentally http://lolpolice.files.wordpress.com/201... and http://www.indymedia.org.uk/images/2010/... show the medical approach of those who are called a "police medic". If, as one of your staff is reported to have said, the police found the presence of some patients "upsetting" then they are clearly unlikely to be grown-up enough to be able to make medical assessments.

3) Did the hospital agree to the police dictating which patient is treated where?

4) If this is true please provide copies of the minutes of the meetings where this was agreed. Please also provide a short summary of the arguments for and against this and the assessment of the risks of doing this.

Please note that "replies" which involve attachments in proprietary file formats are not acceptable. A reply which is not in plain text format will be deemed to be a refusal to answer. It may be that copies of minutes cannot be provided in plain text format, if that is the case please contact me to discuss a suitable format.

Yours faithfully,

David Hansen

Nwogu, Benedicta, Chelsea and Westminster Hospital NHS Foundation Trust

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Dear Mr. Hansen,

In response to your freedom of Information request, please find our
response attached.

Many thanks.

Best regards,

Benedicta Nwogu
Information Governance Analyst
Chelsea & Westminster Hospital NHS Foundation Trust
18-21 Cavaye place
London.SW10 9PT
Tel: 020 3315 5051 (ext:55051)
Email: [1][email address]

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David Hansen left an annotation ()

Another official who can't be bothered to render information in intelligible format. The plain text version of the "reply" is

369 Fulham Road
London
SW10 9NH
23/12/2010

Dear Mr. Hansen,

Re: Freedom of Information (FoI): Decision to treat

I write in response to your FoI request sent by email regarding decision to treat ambulance patients on the 10th and 11th December.

All patients presenting by ambulance were seen and treated at Chelsea and Westminster Hospital. It is correct that the hospital was designated to receive service personnel, however a number of civilians, as well as police casualties, were treated here. All liaison with ambulance crews as to where patients should be taken is carried out by London Ambulance Service staff.

Alfie Meadows was brought to the Trust by the London Ambulance Service and was treated at the Trust.

The Trust is unable to comment on any communication that might have occurred between LAS and specific ambulance crews regarding this specific patient, but he was accepted by the Trust as soon as the ambulance driver made contact with hospital staff working in A&E.

This letter confirms the completion of this request. A log of this request will be held on a database held by the Trust.

If you are unhappy with the response that you have received the first line of action would be to write to request that the Trust undertakes an internal review of your request. This can be done by contacting our Complaints Department at:- c/o Chelsea and Westminster Hospital Foundation Trust, 369 Fulham Road, London.
SW10 9NH

If you are not content with the outcome of the internal review, you have the right to apply directly to the Information Commissioner for a decision. The Information Commissioner can be contacted at:
Information Commissioner’s Office
Wycliffe House
Water Lane
Wilmslow
Cheshire
SK9 5AF

Yours Sincerely,

Chelsea and Westminster Freedom of Information Department.

Dear Chelsea and Westminster Hospital NHS Foundation Trust,

Please pass this on to the person who conducts Freedom of Information reviews.

I am writing to request an internal review of Chelsea and Westminster Hospital NHS Foundation Trust's handling of my FOI enquiry 'Selective treatment of patients'.

The long "reply" in response to my enquiry does not answer any of the questions I asked. Question 1) can be answered yes or no, nothing more is needed. The answers to the subsequent questions follow on from this. The answers to each question should be provided separately, so that question and answer can be compared. Please try again, answering the questions this time.

The "reply" also speaks of "service personnel" and "civilians". I was under the impression that everyone involved in these events was a civilian. You have stated that they were not, so a supplementary question is, how many members of the armed forces were you treating in relation to these protests?

Your reply also makes the assertion that, "This letter confirms the completion of this request." That is not for your organisation to arrogantly assert, it is a matter for the person making the enquiry to decide.

A full history of my FOI request and all correspondence is available on the Internet at this address:
http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/se...

Yours faithfully,

David Hansen

David Hansen left an annotation ()

I have asked the Ministry of Defence which military formations were involved in the demonstrations and what they were doing, as the hospital claims to have been designated to treat service personnel, but did also treat some civilians.

http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/st...

Dear Nwogu, Benedicta,

London Ambulance Service NHS Trust say it was nothing to do with them http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/se...

It must have been the little green men then. It is clear that both organisations have something to hide and they are trying to fob me off. I can see through that though.

Yours sincerely,

David Hansen

Bob Willis left an annotation ()

It's all a bit 'fishy' is it not?

James Newman left an annotation ()

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The Police deny they were involved in this matter. I can not see the NHS or Ambulance service restricting treatment only to Police Officers unless they were instructed. It seems clear that the group which benefited (the Police) are the ones who restricted service to non police officers at this hospital yet they wish to deny it.

I suppose if such a FoI request had existed in nazi germany and we had asked the nazis if they were carrying out genocide they would deny it too. Maybe, we have to wait for someone to leak all the information the police have to wikileaks before we ever know the facts.

Nwogu, Benedicta, Chelsea and Westminster Hospital NHS Foundation Trust

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Dear Mr. Hansen,

Further to your email on your Freedom of Information response, Please find
our response attached.

Please let me know if you have any queries.

Best regards,

Benedicta Nwogu
Information Governance Analyst
Chelsea & Westminster Hospital NHS Foundation Trust
18-21 Cavaye place
London.SW10 9PT
Tel: 020 3315 5051 (ext:55051)
Email: [1][email address]

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David Hansen left an annotation ()

The official still can't be bothered to render information in intelligible format. However at least this time there are answers. The plain text version of the "reply" is

369 Fulham Road
London
SW10 9NH
10/01/2011

Dear Mr. Hansen,

Re: Freedom of Information (FoI): Selective treatment of patients

I write in response to your FoI request sent by email on December 16, 2010 regarding treatment of patients at the Trust.

Please find our responses below:

1) Is it true that the police were dictating who was to be treated in the hospital?

No

2) If it is true, what medical training do the police have to decide where patients should be treated? In what way is this training superior to that of hospital or ambulance staff?

Not applicable

3) Did the hospital agree to the police dictating which patient is treated elsewhere?

No

4) If this is true please provide copies of the minutes of the meetings where this was agreed. Please also provide a short summary of the arguments for and
against this and the assessment of the risks of doing this.

Not applicable

All liaison with ambulance crews as to where patients should be taken is carried out by London Ambulance Service staff, not by the police.

We have already provided a response which stated our position with regards to this issue.

This letter confirms the completion of this request. A log of this request will be held on a database held by the Trust.

If you are unhappy with the response that you have received the first line of action would be to write to request that the Trust undertakes an internal review of your request. This can be done by contacting our Complaints Department at:- c/o Chelsea and Westminster Hospital Foundation Trust, 369 Fulham Road, London.
SW10 9NH

If you are not content with the outcome of the internal review, you have the right to apply directly to the Information Commissioner for a decision. The
Commissioner can be contacted at:

Information Commissioner’s Office
Wycliffe House
Water Lane
Wilmslow
Cheshire
SK9 5AF

Yours Sincerely,

Chelsea and Westminster Freedom of Information Department.

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