Seating on different classes and subclasses of trains.

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Dear SE Trains Limited,

I write this email to make a request under the Freedom Of Information Act for some information please.

For each of the following classes or subclasses:


Could you please tell me about each one:

• how many seats in each carriage - and also indicate which carriage it is and how many seats - example DMOS(A) has x seats and MOS(L) has x seats and PTOS(L) has x seats and DMOS(B) has x seats etc etc etc - please include the total seats in each carriage including former first class seats but excluding the drivers seats in the cabs or any seats in the cabs not for passengers

• whether the class or subclass uses 2+2 or 3+2 seating - as i know for example your 375 or 377 seem mixed as some subclasses appear to have 2+2 and some have 3+2 - i can not seem to find out which is which so could you kindly clarify

• also for your 375/3 375/6 375/7 375/8 375/9 377/5 465/9 trains can you tell me how many first class seats they had - also in which carriages was the first class and how many first class seats in each of these carriages as i know your 375 and 377 for example had a variety of first class locations and seatings - also i know that first class was scrapped a few months ago but i am talking about the situation before it was scrapped

• lastly could you kindly clarify exactly which 375 and 377 and 707 subclasses and units have pantographs - i know certain 375 and 377 subclasses have them but i am not sure which - also i have seen a couple of 707 units with pantographs but most of them do not but i am not sure on exactly which unit numbers do - so if you could clarify this that would be appreciated

Thank you very much for your help in regards to this matter.

Yours faithfully,

David Hayes

Information Rights, SE Trains Limited

Thank you for your request dated 21/05/2023.

We are handling this under the terms of the Freedom of Information Act 2000 (the Act).Under the Act, you are entitled to a response within 20 working days of receipt. If we cannot meet this deadline, we will let you know the reason and also tell you when you can expect a response.

Mark Willson FOIA Officer, Southeastern

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Information Rights, SE Trains Limited

Dear David,


Please find our response to your FOIA request for information about train
seating. This has been handled under the provisions of the Act.


I can confirm that we hold information within the scope of your request,
which is shown below.


I can confirm that we hold information within the scope of your request,
however this information is exempt from disclosure because the cost of
retrieving it would exceed the ‘appropriate limit’ that is set out in
section 12 of the FOIA.


Section 12 of the FOIA Section 12(1) of the Freedom of Information Act
2000 and sections 4(3) and 4(4) of the ‘Fees Regulations’ 2004 allow a
public authority to refuse a request if the cost of determining if the
information is held, and then locating, retrieving and extracting that
information would exceed the ‘appropriate limit’ of £450. This figure is
equivalent to 18 hours work, at a set rate of £25 an hour. The Information
Commissioner’s guidance explains that when we refuse a request using
section 12 of the FOIA, we need to include ‘a reasonable estimate’ of the
cost, and an explanation of the process we would need to follow to
retrieve the information.


We estimate that to retrieve the information requested from technical
drawings and engineering documentation, for all of the classes of unit we
operate, would require around 24 hours effort. This is based on a sample
assessment for the 375 class of unit. We are however able to provide
information on the current and previous seating capacities, which is shown


Code Description Total seats (new) Total seats
3753 375/3 Electrostar 163 164
3756 375/6 Electrostar 225 218
3757 375/7 Electrostar 225 218
3758 375/8 Electrostar 225 218
3759 375/9 Electrostar 249 253
376 376 Electrostar 224 228
4650 465/0 BREL 334 348
4651 465/1 BREL 334 348
377/1 377 (120-139)  230 242
377/1 377 (140-155)  230 221
377/5 377/5 Electrostar 230 221
4652 465/2 GEC 334 348
4659 465/9 GEC 295 302
466 466 GEC 168 168
395 395 High Speed 349  N/A
707 707 Desiro City 350  N/A





Mark Willson

FOIA Officer



2nd Floor,

4 More London Riverside,

London, SE1 2AU.


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