Scientology related charities

Anastasia made this Freedom of Information request to Charity Commission for England and Wales

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This request has been withdrawn by the person who made it. There may be an explanation in the correspondence below.

Dear Charity Commission for England and Wales,

Please provide internal and external communications in respect of the following charities:

267386 NARCONON
1098004 NARCONON LONDON
1112230 NARCONON TRUST
287037 GREENFIELDS EDUCATIONAL TRUST

Please include letters, emails, faxes, memos, agenda, minutes, and notes of phone calls and of meetings.

Please provide the information to me in electronic format at this email address.

Many thanks.

Yours faithfully,

Anastasia

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Becky Bbear left an annotation ()

Fail - Pointless making request in same format as William, we already know from their response of December 15 that this exceeds the cost/time limit.

Should have made as four separate requests, as they originally agreed to process for him in that format.

Probably would also have been a good idea to actually state what specific information you wanted - FOI is not a general right to documents, its a right to information.

Becky

Dear Web Enquiries,

Still waiting a response.

Yours sincerely,

Anastasia

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Dear Charity Commission for England and Wales,

Please pass this on to the person who conducts Freedom of Information reviews.

I am writing to request an internal review of Charity Commission for England and Wales's handling of my FOI request 'Scientology related charities'.

My reason for requesting an internal review is:

No substantive response has been provided. The legal deadline has expired.

A full history of my FOI request and all correspondence is available on the Internet at this address:
http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/sc...

Yours faithfully,

Anastasia

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Dear Web Enquiries,

Please provide an update on the progress of this request thank you.

Yours sincerely,

Anastasia

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gofyn amdano.

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gwefan [3]www.charitycommission.gov.uk. Gallwch hefyd weld fersiwn Gymraeg
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Dear Web Enquiries,

I ask you to please respond to this information request thanks.

Yours sincerely,

Anastasia

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Dear Web Enquiries,

I am waiting for an update of this information request

Yours sincerely,

Anastasia

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os gwelwch yn dda, nid ydym angen fersiwn bapur hefyd oni bai ein bod wedi
gofyn amdano.

 

Yn aml y ffordd gyflymach i ateb eich cwestiynau yw drwy edrych ar ein
gwefan [3]www.charitycommission.gov.uk. Gallwch hefyd weld fersiwn Gymraeg
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Comisiwn Elusennau. Mae Twitter yn ffynhonnell o wybodaeth sy’n diweddaru
ar unwaith. Mae’n hawdd i gadw eich hun yn ddiweddar gyda amrywiaeth eang
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Dear Web Enquiries,

Are you ever going to respond to my Freedom of Information request?

Yours sincerely,

Anastasia

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os gwelwch yn dda, nid ydym angen fersiwn bapur hefyd oni bai ein bod wedi
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gwefan [3]www.charitycommission.gov.uk. Gallwch hefyd weld fersiwn Gymraeg
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Comisiwn Elusennau. Mae Twitter yn ffynhonnell o wybodaeth sy’n diweddaru
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McCue, Duncan, Charity Commission for England and Wales

Dear Ms X

I am writing to apologise for the Charity Commission’s delayed response
to your Freedom of Information (FOI) request dated 21 June 2011.
Unfortunately this request was ‘overlooked’ during the handover of work
when a colleague, to whom this request had been assigned, left the
Commission. May I assure you that such instances are rare and that the
Commission makes strenuous efforts to ensure such requests are fulfilled
within the agreed timescale.

I sincerely apologise for the oversight and have now forwarded your
request to our Business Assurance Team for resolution.

Yours Sincerely

           Duncan McCue

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Anastasia left an annotation ()

Looking for an update on this now please.

Dear McCue, Duncan,

Looking for an update on this now please.

Yours sincerely,

Anastasia

Carroll, Liam, Charity Commission for England and Wales

Dear Anastasia X

 

Thank you for your recent email. I have now had a chance to look at the
request that you have made in more detail. I see that you are aware of how
we have dealt with a request of a similar nature and expect that it will
not be a surprise for you to hear that we will be unable to fulfil the
request as it stands.

 

Section 12 of the Act makes provision for public authorities to refuse
requests for information where the cost of dealing with them would exceed
the appropriate limit, which for central government is set at **600. This
represents the estimated cost of one person spending 3.5 working days in
determining whether the Commission holds the information and then
locating, retrieving and extracting the information.

 

I estimate that it will take us in excess of 3.5 working days to determine
appropriate material and locate, retrieve and extract the information in
reference to your request.

 

We will, though, be prepared to service the request by dealing with it as
4 separate requests relating to each charity individually. I must also
stress that the Act provides the right to information rather than just
general copies of correspondence. With this in mind I think it would be
useful if you could help us by being more specific about what information
you particularly wish to obtain, including any dates or period of time
relevant to the information required. 

 

I look forward to receiving your response and confirmation that this
approach will be acceptable to you. I apologise again for the considerable
delay that you have encountered in respect of this request and will aim to
resolve the matter as swiftly as possible on receipt of your response.

 

Liam Carroll

Complaints and FoI Manager 

 

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Dear Carroll, Liam,

The Information would be in regard the charitiy status of

267386 NARCONON
1098004 NARCONON LONDON
1112230 NARCONON TRUST
287037 GREENFIELDS EDUCATIONAL TRUST

So any internal and external communications, including letters, emails, faxes, memos, agenda, minutes, and notes of phone calls & meetings.

Would a time period of the past 3 years be reasonable?

Yours sincerely,

Anastasia

Liam Carroll, Charity Commission for England and Wales

Dear Anastasia

Thank you for your swift and helpful response. I will be in further contact shortly.

Kind regards

Liam Carroll
Compliants and FoI Manager

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Dear Liam Carroll ,

So also I am more than happy to withdraw the internal review request at this time.

Yours sincerely,

Anastasia

Dear Liam Carroll ,

Please respond to my FOI request.

Thank you

Anastasia

Becky Bbear left an annotation ()

Anastasis - I'm confused, your request for copies of all documents/notes/records relating to the charitable status of these four charities doesn't seem to actually request any specific information?

Unless you and William are just asking the authority to make/supply copies of everything just for the 'fun' of it, maybe you should think about constructively refining your requests like the authority have asked?

FOIA doesn't give a general right to receive copies of everything, it gives a right to access information held by authorities (although sometimes supplying documents containing requested information can be easier and more helpful than providing summaries of content).

This is just my opinion, definitely not that of the whatdotheyknow website or its volunteer administrators.

Still - there is I think a real risk that, unless your requests are refined/clarified, these will damage the 'credibility' of all those other serious requests you and William have made through the site.

The site has policy on 'vexatious' requests and it really seems that you and William are kind of moving into that area, unless you can respond/clarify as the authority have asked.

Realistically - no organisations applying or corresponding with an authority are going to include anything that says 'we aren't really charities, oh! and we have a hidden agenda to take over the world for the secret masters from space'. Be kind of defeating the purpose and just plain silly.

The authority here could (it seems to me)justifiably reply simply by confirming that the applications submitted by these organisations met the critera to be registered under UK law - and leave it at that - their charitable status is already in the public domain and so are their published accounts/governing documents - exactly what other information on their charitable status are you and William requesting?

Scientology, Common Purpose, and all the other nutty consipiracy theories associated with 'plots to take over the world' aren't serious subjects for FOI and may be best reserved for the many 'I believe' blog sites out there in cyberspace.

Dear Liam Carroll,

I would like to withdraw this request, and I ask that the FOI request by William Thackeray has a more timely response. He has been waiting for more them a year now.

Link to William Thackeray's FOI Request

http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/co...

Yours sincerely,

Anastasia

Becky Bbear left an annotation ()

Anastasia - Setting aside the 'open' nature of the requests made by yourself and William, after some careful thought and discussion it is clear that the authority here has significantly failed to provide a genuinely substantial response - or to follow through on the results of the internal reviews already conducted on the original request.

For that reason, if no meaningful response is sent to William by this weekend, I will be submitting a separate request myself throught this site - using a different approach I think likely to encourage a response.

I think you will find it makes for interesting reading.

Allowing for the public holidays, we will have to wait until January before there is any real movement.

Becky

Carroll, Liam, Charity Commission for England and Wales

Dear Anastasia

 

Thank you for informing us that you wish to withdraw your request. I will
concentrate on responding to Mr Thackeray’s outstanding requests and hope
to be in a position to do so shortly.

 

Yours sincerely

 

Liam Carroll

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