Safeguarding - MHA Assessments at UCLH - St Pancras Hospital Suicide Attempts

Waiting for an internal review by Camden and Islington NHS Foundation Trust of their handling of this request.

Georgina Goulding

Dear Camden and Islington NHS Foundation Trust,

Please supply the following information:

1. Please supply the Policies/Procedures/Guidelines that were in place, in respect of safeguarding and conducting Mental Health Act assessments, between 2006-2007.
2. Please confirm if Camden and Islington NHS Foundation Trust undertook, or were involved in Mental Health Act assessments undertaken at UCLH in 2007. If so, how was your trust involved in these?
3. Please supply the data that shows how many people were admitted under section 2 of the Mental Health Act for in-patient treatment at St Pancras Hospital, who had not attempted suicide immediately prior to admission, but then attempted suicide whilst under the care of your Trust at St Pancras Hospital? Please supply this data for the year of 2007.

I look forward to receiving this information.

Yours faithfully,

Georgina Goulding

Georgina Goulding

Dear Camden and Islington NHS Foundation Trust,

The response to this request is now overdue, can you confirm when I can expect to receive a reply?

Yours faithfully,

Georgina Goulding

Georgina Goulding

Dear Camden and Islington NHS Foundation Trust,

Please supply the information or provide a legal reason of why no data has been supplied.

Yours faithfully,

Georgina Goulding

Georgina Goulding

Dear Camden and Islington NHS Foundation Trust,

Please pass this on to the person who conducts Freedom of Information reviews.

None of the data has been supplied. Therefore, I am requesting that it is supplied and that this request does not stop my ability to seek an internal review, once the request is complied with.

A full history of my FOI request and all correspondence is available on the Internet at this address: https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/s...

Yours faithfully,

Georgina Goulding

Information, Freedom, Camden and Islington NHS Foundation Trust

Good morning,

Firstly I apologise for the delay in responding to your queries, this is due to a major reshuffle within the department.
I have now had a chance to look and will forward your queries to the relevant teams, and aim to be able to respond in due course.

Kind regards

Sylvie Melson
Governance and Quality Assurance

Telephone +44(0)20 3317 7087 (m) 07521 454195
Email [email address]
Or [email address]
[email address]
Online www.candi.nhs.uk

Camden and Islington NHS Foundation Trust
1st Floor, East Wing, St Pancras Hospital
4 St Pancras Way, London NW1 0PE

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Dear Sir/Madam

This request is significantly overdue. When can I expect to receive this information?

Yours sincerely,

Georgina Goulding

Information, Freedom, Camden and Islington NHS Foundation Trust

Good afternoon,

I do apologise for the delay, there has been a change in personnel and I have picked this up.

I believe most of the original questions (our ref: FOI 179) were reasonably answered and we were waiting on confirmation from our AMPHs team.

I will chase this up and see what we are waiting for.

Regards

Sylvie Melson
Governance and Quality Assurance

Telephone +44(0)20 3317 7087 (m) 07521 454195
Email [email address]
Or [email address]
[email address]
Online www.candi.nhs.uk

Camden and Islington NHS Foundation Trust
1st Floor, East Wing, St Pancras Hospital
4 St Pancras Way, London NW1 0PE

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Dear Sir/Madam,

When will the response be supplied, given it's now around 3 months since the information was requested and you've failed in your legal duty in this respect?

Yours sincerely,

Georgina Goulding

Information, Freedom, Camden and Islington NHS Foundation Trust

Good afternoon,

As previously mentioned there has been personnel change within the department.
Your original request was in-part responded to internally in September but it actually falls within the Local Authorities remit as C&I are a Trust.

I have passed this on to the Information Governance manger to pick up and respond accordingly.

Kind regards

Sylvie Melson
Governance and Quality Assurance

Telephone +44(0)20 3317 7087 (m) 07521 454195
Email [email address]
Or [email address]
[email address]
Online www.candi.nhs.uk

Camden and Islington NHS Foundation Trust
1st Floor, East Wing, St Pancras Hospital
4 St Pancras Way, London NW1 0PE

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Georgina Goulding

Dear Data Controller at Camden & Islington NHS Trust,

This Freedom of Information request was submitted in late August:

Dear Camden and Islington NHS Foundation Trust,

Please supply the following information:

1. Please supply the Policies/Procedures/Guidelines that were in place, in respect of safeguarding and conducting Mental Health Act assessments, between 2006-2007.
2. Please confirm if Camden and Islington NHS Foundation Trust undertook, or were involved in Mental Health Act assessments undertaken at UCLH in 2007. If so, how was your trust involved in these?
3. Please supply the data that shows how many people were admitted under section 2 of the Mental Health Act for in-patient treatment at St Pancras Hospital, who had not attempted suicide immediately prior to admission, but then attempted suicide whilst under the care of your Trust at St Pancras Hospital? Please supply this data for the year of 2007.

I look forward to receiving this information.

As of the 4th December 2018, none of this information has been supplied. A review was requested in respect of non-compliance of this Freedom of Information request and since then various explanations have been provided in respect of this information not being supplied and the reply being delayed.

It is unacceptable that this information has not yet been provided. Please supply a date of when this information can be expected. Please note that this will be escalated to the ICO if this data isn't supplied this week.

Yours faithfully,

Georgina Goulding

Georgina Goulding

Dear Sir/Madam,

Please come back to me about this message: https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/s...
as a matter of urgency. This request is months overdue, a internal review is also overdue and the information has still not been supplied.

Yours sincerely,

Georgina Goulding

Information, Freedom, Camden and Islington NHS Foundation Trust

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Good morning,

I do apologise, the majority of your answers should come from the Local Authorities that we work for.
I am still awaiting the AMPHs response, unfortunately the main contact has been out of the office all of November, however I have attached the draft response we had received in August for you to possibly work with.

Once I hear back from the AMPH's I will be able to answer you properly.

Once again I do apologise for the delay.
Kind regards
Sylvie

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Georgina Goulding

Dear Sir/Madam,

Thanks for sending some information. I'd like to clarify this.

1. You have confirmed that Camden and Islington NHS Trust had no policies/procedures or guidelines in place in respect of safeguarding and conducting Mental Health Act Assessment, between 2006-2007.
2. You have stated that Camden and Islington NHS Trust did not undertake assessments under the Mental Health Act. You have mentioned that these are completed/co-ordinated by AMHPs that are employed by the local authority. You state that Dr's conducting these assessments with AMHPs are 'wearing their S12 doctor hat not their C&I employee hat'. I feel this answer is very unclear. Assessments under the Mental Health Act always include both a AMHP and a Dr. Do Dr's employed by you, conduct these assessments and if so, did they conduct any such assessments at UCLH in 2007? If one of your Dr's is wearing their 'S12 doctors hat', which organisation is paying them to wear their 'S12 doctors hat'? I honestly feel that the answer provided is far from transparent. As you will be fully aware, it is not solely AMHP that conduct these assessments, they will always include a Dr too and it's my belief that these specific Drs may well be employed by your organisation.

Lastly, no response was provided to:

3. Please supply the data that shows how many people were admitted under section 2 of the Mental Health Act for in-patient treatment at St Pancras Hospital, who had not attempted suicide immediately prior to admission, but then attempted suicide whilst under the care of your Trust at St Pancras Hospital? Please supply this data for the year of 2007.

Please clarify and supply the information requested.

Yours sincerely,

Georgina Goulding

Information, Freedom, Camden and Islington NHS Foundation Trust

Good morning,
I have received the response below in regards to your request. I am sorry I can't help very much further.

Hi,

It would be very difficult to answer these questions.

1 - I'm not sure where the old policies will be kept, Claire Barcham the Islington EDT manager used to be the AMHP training manager around 2007 and may know where the old AMHP policies were kept.
2 - In 2007 the trust staff who would have been involved with Mental Health Act assessments at UCLH in 2007 would have been the Liaison Team at UCLH and the on-call section 12 doctor.
3 - It will be very difficult to answer question 3 in particular as the data for 2007 will be in Iron Mountain if it exists at all.

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Dear Data Controller,

I am requesting that an internal review is completed of this subject access request and the responses supplied to date. I am requesting an internal review on the grounds that:

- The information has not been provided and no specific reason has been given for not providing this information
- Answers that have been provided appear to contradict previous answers provided
- The responses were not given within the correct timescales
- Basic data (that is held by the Trust) has not been provided and there is no clear explanation for that

I await the outcome of this internal review.

Yours sincerely,

Georgina Goulding

Dear Sir/Madam,

Please confirm the request for an internal review of the following freedom of information request has been received and is in progress.

The request can be found here: https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/s...

Yours sincerely,

Georgina Goulding

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