Ruislip Lido Development Plans

Peter Silverman made this Freedom of Information request to Hillingdon Borough Council

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Dear Hillingdon Borough Council,

The Council has announced plans (Jan 2010) to spend over £1.0 million to "restore the Lido to its former glory"

Please let me have copies of any business plans, other reports, meeting minutes or other documents covering the viability of the project as a whole.

Also, unless fully covered in these documents, copies of any reports, meeting minutes or other documents covering:

1. Capital costs

2. On-going revenues and costs

3. Water level management including:
a. the practicalities of raising the water level.
b. the resultant risk of down stream flooding
c. effect on water quality
d. the variability of water levels over a year depending on rainfall and, but not restricted to, its effect on swimming and boating

4. Any consultations that took place.

5. The likely demand for, and/or practicality of, re- introducing boating

6. The risk for swimmers arising from any of the following: water quality, weeds, broken glass.

7. The need for, and cost of, lifeguards

8. Past history of accidental deaths as a result of boating and drowning

Yours faithfully,

Peter Silverman
www.hillingdon-watch.org.uk

PCSFOI, Hillingdon Borough Council

Dear Mr Silverman

Thank you for your e-mail.

Your request for information, below, has been allocated the Reference
Number FOI 1728: please quote this in any future correspondence on this
matter.

We are investigating your request and hope to respond to you shortly.

Yours sincerely,

David Thackeray.

>>> Peter Silverman <[1][FOI #27691 email]>
24/01/10 11:48 >>>
Dear Hillingdon Borough Council,

The Council has announced plans (Jan 2010) to spend over £1.0
million to "restore the Lido to its former glory"

Please let me have copies of any business plans, other reports,
meeting minutes or other documents covering the viability of the
project as a whole.

Also, unless fully covered in these documents, copies of any
reports, meeting minutes or other documents covering:

1. Capital costs

2. On-going revenues and costs

3. Water level management including:
a. the practicalities of raising the water level.
b. the resultant risk of down stream flooding
c. effect on water quality
d. the variability of water levels over a year depending on
rainfall and, but not restricted to, its effect on swimming and
boating

4. Any consultations that took place.

5. The likely demand for, and/or practicality of, re- introducing
boating

6. The risk for swimmers arising from any of the following: water
quality, weeds, broken glass.

7. The need for, and cost of, lifeguards

8. Past history of accidental deaths as a result of boating and
drowning

Yours faithfully,

Peter Silverman
[2]www.hillingdon-watch.org.uk

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PCSFOI, Hillingdon Borough Council

Dear Mr Silverman

I am writing further to your Freedom of Information requested dated 24th
January 2010.

We have considered your request and are of the view that the information
you are requesting is 'environmental information' as defined by the
Environmental Information Regulations 2004 (EIR). As such the information
you are requesting is exempt from the Freedom of Information Act 2000
(FOIA) pursuant to S39 of the FOIA. S39 states that information is exempt
if it the information is caught by the EIR. The EIR are similar to the
FOIA, but specifically apply to 'Environmental Information'.

As with the FOIA we have 20 working days to respond to your request.
However, R7 of the EIR allows the response deadline to be extended where
the request is complex and/or voluminous. In this instance we are
extending the deadline for our response for a further 20 working days and
our response deadline is now 22nd March 2010.

If you are not happy with our response you should put your complaint in
writing to:

Principal Corporate Lawyer, Legal Services, Civic Centre, High St,
Uxbridge, UB8 1UW (or via email marked for the attention of the Principal
Corporate Lawyer to [1][Hillingdon Borough Council request email]).

Please remember to quote the reference number above in any future
communications.

If you are not content with the outcome of the internal review, you have
the right to apply to the Information Commissioner for a decision. The
Information Commissioner can be contacted at: Information Commissioner’s
Office, Wycliffe House, Water Lane, Wilmslow, Cheshire, SK9 5AF

Yours sincerely,

David Thackeray.

Customer Liaison Manager.
Planning & Community Services.

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Dear PCSFOI,

I am sorry this request is proving voluminous or complex. I had assumed the Council would hold readily identifiable files on the project and the items requested would be easy to identify.

Perhaps I can modify my request to make matters easier for you. With this in mind can you indicate which of the items is causing the problem or make any other suggestions which might help?

Also can you send me the items which are readily available?

I look forward to hearing from you

Yours sincerely,

Peter Silverman

foi, Hillingdon Borough Council

Dear Mr Silverman

I am writing in response to your Freedom of Information request below.
As stated in our email of the 22nd February 2010 we are of the view that
your request for information should be dealt with under the
Environmental Information Regulations 2004.

As I understand it you are requesting to know:

The Council has announced plans (Jan 2010) to spend over £1.0 million
to "restore the Lido to its former glory"

Please let me have copies of any business plans, other reports, meeting
minutes or other documents covering the viability of the project as a
whole.

The London Borough of Hillingdon (‘the Council’) does not hold any
‘business plans’ in regards to plan to ‘restore the lido to its
former glory’. We are currently exploring various options in regards
to Ruilsip lido however; these are only proposals and are still in the
very early stage of planning. I have attached a copy of the
presentation to the Ruislip Lido Management Group along with the minutes
of the meeting which provides an overview as to the areas that are the
Council is considering.

In regards to the documentation we do hold regarding these proposals we
are of the view that they comprise ‘internal communications’ and, as
such, the information is caught by one of the ‘exceptions’ to the
duty to disclose Environmental Information pursuant to the Environmental
Information Regulations 2004 (EIR).

R12 (4) (e) of the EIR states a public authority may refuse to disclose
information to the extent that the request involves the disclosure of
internal communications.

The London Borough of Hillingdon has considered the public interest in
regards to this matter and we are of the opinion that, on balance, the
public interest in maintaining the exception outweighs the public
interest in disclosing the information.

Although we recognise that there is a strong public interest:
● in ensuring the transparency of decision making, and
● the spending of public money

We are of the opinion that this is outweighed by the following
factors:

● The ‘proposals’ are only ‘proposals’ at this stage and
no decisions have been taken as whether any of the proposals will take
place.
● Public authorities require private thinking space in order to
explore these proposals and assess their viability.
● More information will be published as and when options have been
fully assessed.

Also, unless fully covered in these documents, copies of any reports,
meeting minutes or other documents covering:

1. Capital costs

Costs for Ruislip Lido Improvements has been set aside in the Councils
budget
http://modgov.hillingdon.gov.uk/ieListDo...

http://modgov.hillingdon.gov.uk/ieListDo...

2. On-going revenues and costs
Ongoing revenues and costs are assessed as the project progresses. As
stated above the budget is capital money and has already being set
aside. Draft costs where held will also be covered in the documents
refused above.

3. Water level management including:
a. the practicalities of raising the water level.
b. the resultant risk of down stream flooding
c. effect on water quality
d. the variability of water levels over a year depending on rainfall
and, but not restricted to, its effect on swimming and boating

Information is not held.

4. Any consultations that took place.
information not held. Although, please see the attache presentation
to, and minutes of, the Management Advisory Group.

5. The likely demand for, and/or practicality of, re- introducing
boating
Information not held

6. The risk for swimmers arising from any of the following: water
quality, weeds, broken glass.
Information not held. However, during testing, the water has proved to
be at the acceptable standard for inland bathing set down by EC
directive 76/160/EEC. However, a full risk assessment will be undertaken
to ensure that the bathing risks are managed in line with HSE
requirements for Inland Bathing

7. The need for, and cost of, lifeguards
Information Not Held.

8. Past history of accidental deaths as a result of boating and
drowning
Information not held. There has only been 1 death in recent times at
Ruislip Lido this was a suicide and this was not an accidental death as
result of boating.
http://ruislip.uxbridgegazette.co.uk/200...

If you are not happy with our response you should put your complaint in
writing to:

Principal Corporate Lawyer, Legal Services, Civic Centre, High St,
Uxbridge, UB8 1UW (or via email to [Hillingdon Borough Council request email] marked for the
attention of the Principal Corporate Lawyer).

Please remember to quote the reference number above in any future
communications.

If you are not content with the outcome of the internal review, you
have the right to apply to the Information Commissioner for a decision.
The Information Commissioner can be contacted at: Information
Commissioner’s Office, Wycliffe House, Water Lane, Wilmslow, Cheshire,
SK9 5AF

If you wish to discuss this matter please do not hesitate to contact us
on the details below.

Legal Services (3E 04)
London Borough of Hillingdon
Civic Centre
High Street
Uxbridge
UB8 1UW
01895 55(6923)

Please note, all material provided by the London Borough of Hillingdon
in response to your request for information is for your personal,
non-commercial use. The London Borough of Hillingdon reserves all
rights in the copyright of the information provided. Any unauthorised
copying or adaptation of the information without express written
confirmation from The London Borough of Hillingdon will constitute an
infringement of copyright. Any intention to re-use this information
commercially will require consent. Please forward any requests for
re-use of information to the Freedom of Information officer.

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24/01/10 11:48 >>>
Dear Hillingdon Borough Council,

The Council has announced plans (Jan 2010) to spend over £1.0
million to "restore the Lido to its former glory"

Please let me have copies of any business plans, other reports,
meeting minutes or other documents covering the viability of the
project as a whole.

Also, unless fully covered in these documents, copies of any
reports, meeting minutes or other documents covering:

1. Capital costs

2. On-going revenues and costs

3. Water level management including:
a. the practicalities of raising the water level.
b. the resultant risk of down stream flooding
c. effect on water quality
d. the variability of water levels over a year depending on
rainfall and, but not restricted to, its effect on swimming and
boating

4. Any consultations that took place.

5. The likely demand for, and/or practicality of, re- introducing
boating

6. The risk for swimmers arising from any of the following: water
quality, weeds, broken glass.

7. The need for, and cost of, lifeguards

8. Past history of accidental deaths as a result of boating and
drowning

Yours faithfully,

Peter Silverman
www.hillingdon-watch.org.uk

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foi, Hillingdon Borough Council

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Dear Mr Silverman

I am writing in response to your Freedom of Information request below.
As stated in our email of the 22nd February 2010 we are of the view that
your request for information should be dealt with under the
Environmental Information Regulations 2004.

As I understand it you are requesting to know:

The Council has announced plans (Jan 2010) to spend over £1.0 million
to "restore the Lido to its former glory"

Please let me have copies of any business plans, other reports, meeting
minutes or other documents covering the viability of the project as a
whole.

The London Borough of Hillingdon (‘the Council’) does not hold any
‘business plans’ in regards to plan to ‘restore the lido to its
former glory’. We are currently exploring various options in regards
to Ruilsip lido however; these are only proposals and are still in the
very early stage of planning. I have attached a copy of the
presentation to the Ruislip Lido Management Group along with the minutes
of the meeting which provides an overview as to the areas that are the
Council is considering.

In regards to the documentation we do hold regarding these proposals we
are of the view that they comprise ‘internal communications’ and, as
such, the information is caught by one of the ‘exceptions’ to the
duty to disclose Environmental Information pursuant to the Environmental
Information Regulations 2004 (EIR).

R12 (4) (e) of the EIR states a public authority may refuse to disclose
information to the extent that the request involves the disclosure of
internal communications.

The London Borough of Hillingdon has considered the public interest in
regards to this matter and we are of the opinion that, on balance, the
public interest in maintaining the exception outweighs the public
interest in disclosing the information.

Although we recognise that there is a strong public interest:
● in ensuring the transparency of decision making, and
● the spending of public money

We are of the opinion that this is outweighed by the following
factors:

● The ‘proposals’ are only ‘proposals’ at this stage and
no decisions have been taken as whether any of the proposals will take
place.
● Public authorities require private thinking space in order to
explore these proposals and assess their viability.
● More information will be published as and when options have been
fully assessed.

Also, unless fully covered in these documents, copies of any reports,
meeting minutes or other documents covering:

1. Capital costs

Costs for Ruislip Lido Improvements has been set aside in the Councils
budget
http://modgov.hillingdon.gov.uk/ieListDo...

http://modgov.hillingdon.gov.uk/ieListDo...

2. On-going revenues and costs
Ongoing revenues and costs are assessed as the project progresses. As
stated above the budget is capital money and has already being set
aside. Draft costs where held will also be covered in the documents
refused above.

3. Water level management including:
a. the practicalities of raising the water level.
b. the resultant risk of down stream flooding
c. effect on water quality
d. the variability of water levels over a year depending on rainfall
and, but not restricted to, its effect on swimming and boating

Information is not held.

4. Any consultations that took place.
information not held. Although, please see the attache presentation
to, and minutes of, the Management Advisory Group.

5. The likely demand for, and/or practicality of, re- introducing
boating
Information not held

6. The risk for swimmers arising from any of the following: water
quality, weeds, broken glass.
Information not held. However, during testing, the water has proved to
be at the acceptable standard for inland bathing set down by EC
directive 76/160/EEC. However, a full risk assessment will be undertaken
to ensure that the bathing risks are managed in line with HSE
requirements for Inland Bathing

7. The need for, and cost of, lifeguards
Information Not Held.

8. Past history of accidental deaths as a result of boating and
drowning
Information not held. There has only been 1 death in recent times at
Ruislip Lido this was a suicide and this was not an accidental death as
result of boating.
http://ruislip.uxbridgegazette.co.uk/200...

If you are not happy with our response you should put your complaint in
writing to:

Principal Corporate Lawyer, Legal Services, Civic Centre, High St,
Uxbridge, UB8 1UW (or via email to [Hillingdon Borough Council request email] marked for the
attention of the Principal Corporate Lawyer).

Please remember to quote the reference number above in any future
communications.

If you are not content with the outcome of the internal review, you
have the right to apply to the Information Commissioner for a decision.
The Information Commissioner can be contacted at: Information
Commissioner’s Office, Wycliffe House, Water Lane, Wilmslow, Cheshire,
SK9 5AF

If you wish to discuss this matter please do not hesitate to contact us
on the details below.

Legal Services (3E 04)
London Borough of Hillingdon
Civic Centre
High Street
Uxbridge
UB8 1UW
01895 55(6923)

Please note, all material provided by the London Borough of Hillingdon
in response to your request for information is for your personal,
non-commercial use. The London Borough of Hillingdon reserves all
rights in the copyright of the information provided. Any unauthorised
copying or adaptation of the information without express written
confirmation from The London Borough of Hillingdon will constitute an
infringement of copyright. Any intention to re-use this information
commercially will require consent. Please forward any requests for
re-use of information to the Freedom of Information officer.

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24/01/10 11:48 >>>
Dear Hillingdon Borough Council,

The Council has announced plans (Jan 2010) to spend over £1.0
million to "restore the Lido to its former glory"

Please let me have copies of any business plans, other reports,
meeting minutes or other documents covering the viability of the
project as a whole.

Also, unless fully covered in these documents, copies of any
reports, meeting minutes or other documents covering:

1. Capital costs

2. On-going revenues and costs

3. Water level management including:
a. the practicalities of raising the water level.
b. the resultant risk of down stream flooding
c. effect on water quality
d. the variability of water levels over a year depending on
rainfall and, but not restricted to, its effect on swimming and
boating

4. Any consultations that took place.

5. The likely demand for, and/or practicality of, re- introducing
boating

6. The risk for swimmers arising from any of the following: water
quality, weeds, broken glass.

7. The need for, and cost of, lifeguards

8. Past history of accidental deaths as a result of boating and
drowning

Yours faithfully,

Peter Silverman
www.hillingdon-watch.org.uk

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Peter Silverman

Dear foi,

Thank you for your posting of 22nd March.

In answer to the first part of my request i.e. "Please let me have copies of any business plans, other reports, meeting minutes or other documents covering the viability of the project as a whole"

With regard to "business plans" you have said that you do not hold any "business plans". That's fine by me.

With regard to "other reports, meeting minutes or other documents" You say:

"In regards to the documentation we do hold regarding these proposals we are of the view that they comprise ‘internal communications’ and, as such, the information is caught by .... R12 (4) (e) of the EIR states a public authority may refuse to disclose information to the extent that the request involves the disclosure of
internal communications.

Are any "reports" included in the documentation you do hold?

Are any "meeting minutes" included in the documentation you do hold?

Yours sincerely,

Peter Silverman