Revenue from Hire of School Premises

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Dear Yesodey Hatorah Senior Girls School,

Please can you provide me with a year by year breakdown for 2009, 2010, 2011 and 2012 to date of the following information:

1. The number of times during each year that the school hall and/or other school premises were hired out;

2. The income per year generated for each school venue hired out including the name of the venue;

3. The cost per hire for each type of event (e.g. wedding, charity dinner etc.) including overtime charges, if any.

4. Each case where all or part of the school premises were used by an outside body at a significantly reduced charge or free of charge. Please include the nature of the event and if significantly reduced please state the amount charged.

I note that you have refused to answer a similar request made by another individual on the basis that in your view the individual did not use their real name. Please be assured that I really am Mr Cross.

Yours faithfully,

Mr Cross

Admin Mailbox, Yesodey Hatorah Senior Girls School

Thank you

We have received your request. If you will please supply sufficient information to enable us to verify that you are who you say you are then the school will consider the request further. We note that at present we have no more information than a surname.

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Dear Sir/Madam
Thank you for your email. You raise two separate points in your email and I wish to respond to both.

(1) "We note that at present we have no more information than a surname."

That is not quite true. You know that I have used the title "Mr" and you have my WhatDoTheyKnow user name.

I wish to draw to your attention the ICO guidance on the requirement to provide a name. "Therefore, title and/or first name with surname satisfies the requirement for provision of a real name" page 2 of http://www.ico.gov.uk/upload/documents/l...

(2) You have asked me to provide sufficient information to verify who I am. You are entitled to treat a request as invalid if the real name of the applicant has not been used but that does not apply in this case because I have used my real name. So long as I do use my real name the request is valid even if I provide no evidence of who I am.

If you still wish to insist on proof of identity then please could you:

(a) Confirm in writing that you refuse to process my freedom of information request without evidence of identity being provided.

(b) Let me know what forms of identity you would accept.

I should also point out at this stage that any evidence of my identity would contain my own personal data. If I found that my personal data was processed unfairly I would reserve the right to complain to the ICO. Unfair processing in my opinion could include insisting on personal information being provided which I am not legally required to provide and subsequently storing or making use of that information.

Yours sincerely,

Mr Cross

Chani Weltscher, Yesodey Hatorah Senior Girls School

“We agree that the guidance says “"Therefore, title and/or first name with surname satisfies the requirement for provision of a real name". However, it then goes on to say “The prime consideration is whether enough of a person’s full name has been provided to give a reasonable indication of that person’s identity.” In this case, as it is now clear to us that your original request was made under a pseudonym, we are entitled to additional information to establish that your current request is not also made under a pseudonym. When we have this, we will consider the matter further.
It is up to you to decide what information you provide to establish the position. We will only use that information fairly in accordance with Data Protection legislation. Collecting information and using it to verify identity is fair processing.”

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Dear Yesodey Hatorah Senior Girls School
In your previous email you wrote: "In this case, as it is now clear to us that your original request was made under a pseudonym, we are entitled to additional information to establish that your current request is not also made under a pseudonym.". This is the first request I have made to the School.

My request is valid under the Freedom of Information Act 2000 if I have provided my real name - which I have. My request remains valid even if I provide no evidence whatsoever of my real name.

In my mind it is not fair for a public body to insist that a private citizen provides information about him or herself in order to exercise a statutory right where that person is entitled by law to exercise that right without providing the information in question. Furthermore in my view any processing of information gained in this way is unfair processing. Processing in this context would include storage of such information and using the information to make decisions. ICO guidance on the Data Protection Act makes it clear that "Personal data shall be processed fairly and lawfully" and that data controllers must "have legitimate grounds for collecting and using the personal data".[1]

Please confirm that you are insisting that I provide additional personal information in order to exercise my rights under the Freedom of Information Act 2000.

Please conduct an internal review of your handling of my request to date.

[1] http://www.ico.gov.uk/for_organisations/...
Yours sincerely,

Mr Cross

Dear Chani Weltscher,
Please could you let me know how the internal review is progressing.

If I do not receive an update in the next week I will assume you are refusing to correspond with me further or process my request until I have provided proof of identification.

many thanks,

Mr Cross

Admin Mailbox, Yesodey Hatorah Senior Girls School

Dear Mr Johnson/Cross

We have reviewed our response to your FOI request. We have
concluded that
our decision not to treat your request as valid was correct.
However, we
have decided that we will answer your Freedom of Information
request on a
voluntary basis. Please find the requested information below:

Please can you provide me with a year by year breakdown for 2009,

2010, 2011 and 2012 to date of the following information:

1. The number of times during each year that the school hall
and/or

other school premises were hired out;

2009: 88 bookings

2010: 106 bookings

2011: 86 bookings

2012: 104 bookings

2. The income per year generated for each school venue hired out

including the name of the venue;

School Hall

2009: 65, 250

2010: 77, 250

2011: 63, 000

2012: 75, 750

3. The cost per hire for each type of event (e.g. wedding, charity

dinner etc.) including overtime charges, if any.

£750. Every letting is at a fixed rate whatever the type of
function.

4. Each case where all or part of the school premises were used by

an outside body at a significantly reduced charge or free of

charge. Please include the nature of the event and if
significantly

reduced please state the amount charged.

2009: Yesodey Hatorah School (the independent school) - 1 free of
charge

2010: Yesodey Hatorah School (the independent school) - 3 free of
charge

2011: Yesodey Hatorah School (the independent school)- 2 free of
charge

2012: Yesodey Hatorah School (the independent school)- 2 free of
charge

PAL Phone and Learn- Lecture - 1 free of charge, (This was a
contra to a
free lecture to our staff)

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