Revenue From All Sources

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Dear North Yorkshire Police,

Under the Freedom of Information Act, for the years 2006 to 2011 would you please fully disclose:

(a) How much revenue has been received by the police force for services rendered by way of private investigations, bailiff/eviction type services, or by any other method of paid services, work performed, or contractural agreements made to business, private individuals, or organisations of any kind?

(b) Please outline the type of work or service rendered,in each case and disclose the revenue received for each type of service.

(c) How much revenue has been generated by the force for endorsements of any kind?

(d) Please indicate the types of products/services that the force endorsed for remuneration/financial benefit/fee and the revenue received.

(e) Please indicate total revenues from all sources, and break them down into categories.

(f) How many manpower hours per year, in total, have been devoted to privately paid services/contractural work?

Yours faithfully,

Jean James

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Civil Disclosure,

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Classification: RESTRICTED

Ms James

I write in connection with your request for information which was
received by North Yorkshire Police on 6 March 2012, as detailed below.

Your request will now be considered in accordance with the Freedom of
Information Act 2000 (the Act). You will receive a response within the
statutory timescale of 20 working days as defined by the Act, subject to
the information not being exempt or containing a reference to a third
party. In some circumstances North Yorkshire Police may be unable to
achieve this deadline. If this is likely you will be informed and given
a revised time-scale at the earliest opportunity.

There may be a fee payable for the retrieval, collation and provision of
the information you request. If this is the case you will be informed
and the 20 working day timescale will be suspended until we receive
payment from you. If you choose not to make payment then your request
will remain unanswered.

Some requests may also require either full or partial transference to
another public authority in order to answer your query in the fullest
possible way. Again, you will be informed if this is the case.

Your attention is drawn to the attached sheet which details your right
of complaint.

Should you have any queries concerning this matter, please write quoting
the reference number 721.2012.

Yours sincerely

Gail Paylor
Disclosure Assistant
Legal and Compliance Service Directorate North Yorkshire Police Police
Headquarters, Newby Wiske Hall, Northallerton, DL7 9HA External Callers
- Telephone 101

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Dear North Yorkshire Police,

Please pass this on to the person who conducts Freedom of Information reviews.

I am writing to request an internal review of North Yorkshire Police's handling of my FOI request 'Revenue From All Sources'.

[ There has been no response to my freedom of information request within the legal time frame allowed.]

A full history of my FOI request and all correspondence is available on the Internet at this address:
http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/re...

Yours faithfully,

Jean James

Civil Disclosure,

Thank you for your e-mail directed to the North Yorkshire Police Civil
Disclosure Unit (formerly Information Law). The mailbox is monitored
only during office hours which are 0830 - 1700 Monday - Thursday, 0830 -
1630 Friday. Your e-mail will be retrieved and logged during office
hours and then receive attention by a member of the team as soon as
practicable.

This auto-response should not be taken as formal acknowledgement of
receipt, which will be issued if appropriate by the team member
allocated to deal with the correspondence in question.

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James, Joanne,

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Classification: NOT PROTECTIVELY MARKED

Ms James

Please find our response attached.

Jo James
Disclosure Manager
Legal and Compliance Services Directorate North Yorkshire Police Police
Headquarters Newby Wiske Hall Northallerton DL7 9HA Telephone 101

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Dear James, Joanne,

Please explain what you are talking about and supply me with the copies of the requests that you say are duplicate.

Your allegations are unfounded.

Yours sincerely,

Jean James

Jean James left an annotation ()

Dear Sirs:

I wish to make a complaint against North Yorkshire Police for failing to provide me with information under the Freedom of Information Act provisions.

Furthermore, I wish to complain that they have accused me, without evidence, of vexatiousness, which is untrue. I am a journalist, writing an article, and have asked ALL police forces in Britain for exactly the same information. This can hardly be targeting North Yorkshire with vexatiousness, and I have been libelled. I am considering taking the matter further.

This is a very strange response from North Yorkshire, and I feel they have something to hide if they respond in this way.

Here is the entire thread of the correspondence. http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/re... A search of my name on the same site will reveal that I have indeed asked ALL POLICE FORCES the same question, but North Yorkshire responded by libelling me.

Will you please issue me with a file number. Authorities simply cannot go around accusing people of vexatiousness when they don’t want to answer questions.

Yours faithfully,

Jean James

Jean James left an annotation ()

SENT TO THE INFORMATION COMMISSIONER MAY 15, 2012

Dear Sirs:

I wish to make a complaint against North Yorkshire Police for failing to provide me with information under the Freedom of Information Act provisions.

Furthermore, I wish to complain that they have accused me, without evidence, of vexatiousness, which is untrue. I am a journalist, writing an article, and have asked ALL police forces in Britain for exactly the same information. This can hardly be targeting North Yorkshire with vexatiousness, and I have been libelled. I am considering taking the matter further.

This is a very strange response from North Yorkshire, and I feel they have something to hide if they respond in this way.

Here is the entire thread of the correspondence. http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/re... A search of my name on the same site will reveal that I have indeed asked ALL POLICE FORCES the same question, but North Yorkshire responded by libelling me.

Will you please issue me with a file number. Authorities simply cannot go around accusing people of vexatiousness when they don’t want to answer questions.

Yours faithfully,

Jean James

Jean James left an annotation ()

North Yorkshire Police Authority

Dear Sirs:

WITHOUT PREJUDICE

I wish to draw the following correspondence to the Information Commissioner to your attention, and advise that I am considering legal action against North Yorkshire Police and the Police Authority for libel.

Please acknowledge this email by return, and respond to me, stating your position in the matter by May 22, 2012.

Yours faithfully,

Jean James

Jean James left an annotation ()

Dear Chief Constable Madgwick:

WITHOUT PREJUDICE

I shall be pleased if you will state your position regarding libel by North Yorkshire Police, and their unlawful refusal of a Freedom of Information request, by May 22, 2012.

Yours sincerely,

Jean James

Jean James left an annotation ()

Dear Chief Constable Madgwick:

WITHOUT PREJUDICE

May I also mention here that my other FOI request has been similarly ignored. As with the other question, this question was asked of ALL police forces in the UK, and no court in the land will uphold North Yorkshire Police’s libelous and very public statements comment that the questions are vexatious.

I am also considering action with regard to the illegality of the way that North Yorkshire Police is handling Freedom of Information Requests. I am sure you will wish to avoid both actions, which could become very public.

http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/al...

I await your response by May 22, 2012.

Yours sincerely,

Jean James

James, Joanne,

Classification: NOT PROTECTIVELY MARKED

Ms James

The following reference [FOI #108365 email] shows
the duplicate request for information. The requester in this instance
has made a series of requests which have been deemed vexatious, as
explained in my correspondence.

Kind regards
Jo James
Disclosure Manager
Legal and Compliance Services Directorate North Yorkshire Police Police
Headquarters Newby Wiske Hall Northallerton DL7 9HA Telephone 101

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Dear North Yorkshire Police,

Please pass this on to the person who conducts Freedom of Information reviews.

I am writing to request an internal review of North Yorkshire Police's handling of my FOI request 'Revenue From All Sources'.

[ PLEASE DO NOT KEEP REPEATING YOURSELF. I AM ASKING YOU TO PROVIDE DETAILS OF THE DUPLICATE REQUEST AND THE VEXATIOUS CORRESPONDENCE TO WHICH YOU REFER. I HAVE NEVER WRITTEN TO NORTH YORKSHIRE POLICE EXCEPT IN THE CASE OF TWO FREEDOM OF INFORMATION REQUESTS. PLEASE READ THE ANNOTATIONS AGAINST BOTH REQUESTS]

A full history of my FOI request and all correspondence is available on the Internet at this address:
http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/re...

Yours faithfully,

Jean James

Dear James, Joanne,

Dear Jo James:

WITHOUT PREJUDICE

You have persisted in making unfounded libelous statements against me on a public website www.whatdotheyknow.com.

You have been asked to provide evidence of “correspondence” and “duplicate requests” to which you refer, and have failed to do so.

I have only ever made two DIFFERENT FREEDOM OF INFORMATION REQUESTS, and they are publicised on this website.

Please direct me ON THIS WEBSITE to any duplicate requests that you are accusing me of.

Please take notice about legal action.

Please take notice that you will be named in any future legal actions in this matter.

Yours sincerely,

Jean James

Yours sincerely,

Jean James

Dear James, Joanne,

WITHOUT PREJUDICE

You refer to "the requester" which is NOT ME. Please disclose FULL DETAILS of what you are referring to. I have nothing to do with anyone else making requests and you are being cautioned.

What is this that you are referring to? FOI #108365 email

Yours sincerely,

Jean James

James, Joanne,

Classification: NOT PROTECTIVELY MARKED

Apologies, the reference I meant to supply is as follows to which my
below response refers.

[email address]

Kind regards
Jo James
Disclosure Manager
Legal and Compliance Services Directorate North Yorkshire Police Police
Headquarters Newby Wiske Hall Northallerton DL7 9HA Telephone 101

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Civil Disclosure,

Thank you for your e-mail directed to the North Yorkshire Police Civil
Disclosure Unit (formerly Information Law). The mailbox is monitored
only during office hours which are 0830 - 1700 Monday - Thursday, 0830 -
1630 Friday. Your e-mail will be retrieved and logged during office
hours and then receive attention by a member of the team as soon as
practicable.

This auto-response should not be taken as formal acknowledgement of
receipt, which will be issued if appropriate by the team member
allocated to deal with the correspondence in question.

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Alex Skene left an annotation ()

The request referred to (by reference to an email address provided by NYP) is:
http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/pr...

Regards
Alex - WhatDoTheyKnow volunteer

Jean James left an annotation ()

I see there has been no response to either request. I wonder what they wish to conceal.

Jean James left an annotation ()

I think you are wrong. There is no reference number on the request you refer to, whereas they give a FOI reference number - it does not show on the link you provided.

Alex Skene left an annotation ()

The reference numbers they gave are actually WhatDoTheyKnow email addresses. We hide these from public view to prevent spam, and to ensure that only public authorities reply to FOI requests.

1) Tue May 15 17:43:05 2012
"The following reference [FOI #108365 email] shows the duplicate request for information. The requester in this instance has made a series of requests which have been deemed vexatious, as explained in my correspondence."

The text "[FOI #108365 email]" was added by WhatDoTheyKnow to refer to the email address for WDTK request #108365, ie http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/10... which is this one ("Revenue From All Sources").

2) Tue May 15 18:02:09 2012
"Apologies, the reference I meant to supply is as follows to which my below response refers. [email address]"

The text "[email address]" was added by WhatDoTheyKnow and hides the email address for WDTK request #108093, http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/10... which is the identically worded one by Peter Hofschröer entitled "Private Paid Work".

Regards
Alex - WhatDoTheyKnow volunteer

Jean James left an annotation ()

They are not answering anyone's request. They must have something to hide.

Jean James left an annotation ()

Were this force not corrupt, this is the response that should have been received http://www.northyorkshire.police.uk/budget

Jean James left an annotation ()

"The complainant has requested information about revenue received by the public authority from what she termed ‘all sources’. The public authority found the request to be vexatious.

The Information Commissioner has considered the request and has not found it to be ‘vexatious’. He therefore requires the public authority to take the following steps to ensure compliance with the legislation:

• comply with section 1(1) of the FOIA or issue a valid refusal notice complying with section 17(1).
2. The public authority must take these steps within 35 calendar days of the date of this decision notice. Failure to comply may result in the Information Commissioner making written certification of this fact to the High Court pursuant to section 54 of the Act and may be dealt with as a contempt of court."

"13. To date an internal review has not been provided. However, as the request has been deemed ‘vexatious’, a position which the public authority has advised the Information Commissioner it continues to rely on, he has used his discretion and has decided to consider the case in the absence of an internal review."

" 30. Accordingly, the Information Commissioner requires the public authority to either disclose the requested information, if it is held, or to issue a valid refusal notice." (10 September 2012)

Palmer, Daniel,

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Good afternoon,

 

Please find attached a reply to your freedom of information request.

 

Regards,

 

Daniel Palmer

Collar Number 6724

Legal Officer (Civil Disclosure)

Legal and Compliance Services Directorate

North Yorkshire Police

 

Dial 101, press option 2 and ask for me by my full name of collar number.
If using my collar number please state each number individually.

 

[1]www.northyorkshire.police.uk

 

 

 

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Dear Palmer, Daniel,

Thank you for your response. However, I do need you to clarify your answer to the following to questions.

(a) How much revenue has been received by the police force for
services rendered by way of private investigations,
bailiff/eviction type services, or by any other method of paid
services, work performed, or contractural agreements made to
business, private individuals, or organisations of any kind?

(b) Please outline the type of work or service rendered,in each
case and disclose the revenue received for each type of service.

Specifically, can you please tell me how much revenue, in each of the five years requested, was derived from private investigative work and how much was derived from bailiff services, if rendered.

It is not clear from your response, and I did specifically mention these categories.

I look forward to hearing from you.

Thank you.

Yours sincerely,

Jean James

Palmer, Daniel,

Ms James,

 

The list that I supplied you was a comprehensive list of all the services
that North Yorkshire Police charge for and participate in.  To clarify, we
don’t charge for or conduct private investigations or bailiff/eviction
services.  Please accept my apologies for not making this explicit in my
response.

 

Your sincerely,

 

Daniel Palmer

Collar Number 6724

Legal Officer (Civil Disclosure)

Legal and Compliance Services Directorate

North Yorkshire Police

 

Dial 101, press option 2 and ask for me by my full name of collar number.
If using my collar number please state each number individually.

 

[1]www.northyorkshire.police.uk

 

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Dear Palmer, Daniel,

Thank you for your response.

You state that no revenue is generated from private detective work. However, it is my understanding the North Yorkshire Police operative a private investigations operation out of Fulford Road Police Station.

Can you confirm or deny this please?

Yours sincerely,

Jean James

Dear Palmer, Daniel,

May I please have a response to my email of October 11, 2012?

As part of my request to clarify your response to me regarding Revenue from All Sources, it is my understanding that Fulford Road Police Station operates a private detective agency, and their services are paid for in cash.

I am asking if you will confirm or deny this please?

Yours sincerely,

Jean James

Palmer, Daniel,

Ms James,

 

I originally provided you with a comprehensive list of income generated by
North Yorkshire Police, and subsequently clarified that the force does not
conduct any paid private investigation or bailiff/eviction services.
  This constitutes a complete answer to your original request, and there
is no further information I can provide in relation to that request.

 

I would like to advise you that any further requests made by you on the
same (or a substantially similar) topic, and before a reasonable interval
has elapsed since this response, may be deemed vexatious under Section
14(2) of the Freedom of Information Act 2000.

 

Your sincerely,

 

Daniel Palmer

Collar Number 6724

Legal Officer (Civil Disclosure)

Legal and Compliance Services Directorate

North Yorkshire Police

 

Dial 101, press option 2 and ask for me by my full name of collar number.
If using my collar number please state each number individually.

 

[1]www.northyorkshire.police.uk

 

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