Response re MP questions 2008 burials of toxic polychlorinated biphenyls

Richard Card made this Freedom of Information request to Thanet District Council

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Dear Thanet District Council,

I understand that in 2008 report was made to Steve Ladyman MP concerning burials of transformer oils at Westwood and Pegwell.

The former Boilermakers Convenor of GEC Distribution Transformers was still alive in 2008. Hence I infer that best first hand evidence was availed to the MP

Please disclose your response to the MP and the blogger Mr Child whom the MP asked to look further into the history of Westwood GEC site.

Yours faithfully,

Richard Card

TDC FOI, Thanet District Council

Receipt for FOI 3830

 

Dear Mr. Card

 

Thank you for your Freedom Of Information  (FOI) dated 21/05/2020. 

 

I can confirm that we have received your request and are now processing
it. Our reference number for your request is FOI 3830. We will look to
make a full disclosure of the information requested by 19/06/2020 at the
latest. We will let you know if there are any issues processing your
request and if there will be any delays regarding collating the
information you have requested.

 

Kind regards

Information Governance Officer
Thanet District Council
Margate
CT9 1XZ
01843 577247

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Dear TDC FOI,

Herewith copy of published email 2009.

From: Michael Child To: [email address] CC: [email address], [email address] Sent: 30/01/2009 16:26:11 GMT Standard Time Subj: Manston

Hi Roger I wouldn't normally expect you to reply as I am not one of your constituents however as what you are supporting over Manston appears to have a direct effect on my families health here in Ramsgate I would appreciate some sort of explanation that I can publish for local people to read.

There seems to be some disparity between what the Conservatives are saying nationally about Airport expansion.

This is what the shadow transport secretary had to say about Heathrow's third runway.

"Theresa Villiers described it as "a bleak day for our environment and for those of us that care about safeguarding it" after Labour gave the go-ahead for a third runway at Heathrow.

The Shadow Transport Secretary warned, "A third runway at Heathrow would inflict devastating damage to the environment and to the quality of life of millions of people and the Conservatives will fight them every step of the way."

She highlighted the negative effects that will result from the third runway:

The Environment Agency have warned that pollution from a third runway would increase the risk of serious illness and early death around the airport

MPs as far apart as Reading and Greenwich have expressed concern about the impact of aircraft noise from Heathrow on their constituents

222,000 extra flights a year will massively boost Britain's carbon emissions"

Now I live right under the flight path and would put up with a fair amount of extra noise if I thought it would lead to serious economic regeneration, however if it's going to have a serious effect on my family's health well that's another matter altogether.

If you feel that airport expansion at the expense of local peoples health is OK I can only say to you that it's time you had a serious rethink, or perhaps you think Theresa Villiers is spreading scare mongering twaddle whatever the answer is you can't have it both ways.

Up till now my stance is that Southern Water, The Environment Agency and TDCs contaminated land officer need to get together and decide if it's safe and practical to expand the airport with it being situated on the drinking water aquifer.

The biggest problem with Manston airport is it's right in the middle of the underground water reservoir that we just can't do without and if we get a fuel spillage, caused by an air accident, on the green part of the airfield, the contaminated soil has to be dug out before it soaks down and permanently damages the aquifer.

The Airport has a digger standing by for this purpose, without prompt action it's no agriculture in Thanet and no Thanet Earth, lots of hosepipe bans in the summer and increased water bills.

The digger contingency plan isn't adequate for larger planes, in fact I doubt it is adequate for the current traffic. In the case of an air accident, which is though to be caused by criminal or terrorist activity, or where people are killed it seems very unlikely that the police or air accident authority would allow them to dig up the evidence on the site. With out an answer to this one I can't see how there can be any airport expansion.

Best regards Michael

Yes the very serious problem of PFOA PFAS contamination of water supply was missed by Mr Child. Nonetheless he asked the right question re collaboration between TDC, Environment Agency and Southern Water. You will note Mr Child was in correspondence with CEO Richard Samuel in 2009 about Sericol contamination of Thanet Rumfields Water Supply. And you will note 2007 Drinking Water Inspectorate issued PFOA warning and 2009 so did the new Public Health England.

Yours sincerely,

Richard Card

TDC FOI, Thanet District Council

Dear Mr. Card,
The Information governance team collates and responds to FOI/EIR/SAR. 
Could you clarify the FOI/EIR in this email and if there is not an FOI/EIR
in the email then can you refrain from sending the Information governance
team emails such as this as we will only be responding to requests for
information?
Best Wishes,
 
Information Governance Officer
Thanet District Council
Margate
CT9 1XZ
01843 577247

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Dear TDC FOI,

The request for information is clear. Copying Mr Childs published correspondence was for clarification.

Clearly Mr Child was in correspondence with then CEO Richard Samuel about Sericol cyclohexanone contamination of Rumfields Public water supply aquifer. Since the reports of GEC burials of toxic polychlorinated biphenyls refer to same aquifer at Westwood that is relevant.

As you know KCC tested the other burial site in 1992 Pegwell Nature Reserve former landfill. They found pcbs in the top 18 inches but did not test for source The guideline they worked to (59 mg per Kg) would be the source concentration standard. The surface test would merely indicate there was a deeper source (Requiring engineering of a solution) As you know KCC are hoping to conduct further tests now.

You have statutory duties and you are being asked to set out your response to 2008 reports and correspondence

Yours sincerely,

Richard Card

Dear TDC FOI,

The duties under Environmental Protection Act 1990 and Environmental Information Regs 2004 seem very clear to me.

Have you read these ?

Yours sincerely,

Richard Card

TDC FOI, Thanet District Council

Dear Mr. Card,
This is not an FOI/EIR that we will be processing
Best Wishes,
Information Governance Officer
Thanet District Council
Margate
CT9 1XZ
01843 577247

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Dear Thanet District Council,

Please pass this on to the person who conducts Freedom of Information reviews.

I am writing to request an internal review of Thanet District Council's handling of my FOI request 'Response re MP questions 2008 burials of toxic polychlorinated biphenyls'.

On what grounds are you denying statutory duties in Environmental Protection law and your duty under Environmental Information law ?

Please have a word with TDC solicitor whose position is to try to sustain the position concocted in CEO correspondence 2008 as detailed in the FOI.

A full history of my FOI request and all correspondence is available on the Internet at this address: https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/r...

Yours faithfully,

Richard Card

TDC FOI Support, Thanet District Council

Dear Mr. Card,

Thank you for your Freedom of Information request dated  21st May 2020. We
apologise for the delay in answering your request. Your request has been
dealt with under the Freedom of Information Act 2000.

TDC Response: We confirm that the Council do not hold the information
requested.

 

 

If you are unhappy with the way your enquiry has been dealt with, you may
ask for an internal review by submitting a request within one month of the
date of this response. Further information on the internal review process
can be found here:
[1]https://www.thanet.gov.uk/your-services/...

Your request should be addressed to the Information Governance Manager,
Thanet District Council, PO Box 9, Cecil Street, Margate, CT9 1XZ or by
emailing [2][email address].   

If you are still dissatisfied after an internal review, you may appeal to
the Information Commissioner, Wycliffe House, Water Lane, Wilmslow SK9
5AF.

 

Best Wishes,

Information Governance Officer
Thanet District Council
Margate
CT9 1XZ
01843 577247

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TDC FOI Support, Thanet District Council

Dear Mr Card,
Thank you for your Freedom of Information request dated 26/05/2020.
We apologise for the delay in our response to you however we are now able
to provide a response.
In this instance, we are refusing your request under under regulation
12(4)(b) of the Environmental Information Regulations 2004 (EIR).
 
This refusal has been made having carefully considered the ICO’s
published guidance on the application of regulation 12 of the EIR.
We do have a full response explaining our reasons – however, we
don’t think it would be appropriate for us to communicate this to you via
the WDTK website. Please contact the Information Governance Team to
confirm a personal email at the following address: [1][email address]
Thank you for your patience in this matter.
If you are unhappy with the way your enquiry has been dealt with, you may
ask for an internal review by submitting a request within one month of the
date of this response. 
Further information on the internal review process is can be found here:
[2]https://www.thanet.gov.uk/your-services/...
Your request should be addressed to the Information Governance Manager,
Thanet District Council, PO Box 9, Cecil Street, Margate, CT9 1XZ or by
emailing [3][email address].  
If you are still dissatisfied after an internal review, you may appeal to
the Information Commissioner, Wycliffe House, Water Lane, Wilmslow SK9
5AF.

Kind regards,
Information Governance Officer
Thanet District Council
Margate
CT9 1XZ
01843 577247

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Dear TDC FOI Support,

You do realise you already answered in May saying you have no record ?

Yours sincerely,

Richard Card

TDC FOI Support, Thanet District Council

Dear Mr Card,
Thank you for your email. We have noted your comments. 
Please refer to our earlier response concerning EIR 3835.
We will share our full response with the email that you have previously
contacted us on.
Kind regards,
Information Governance Officer
Thanet District Council
Margate
CT9 1XZ
01843 577247

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Dear TDC FOI Support,

There is no FOI 3835. I have explained this to you, at some length by email.

Just as FOI 4125 is another of your inventions. Your s151 officer has responded to my email now. I understand that even when elected members ask questions the "CMT" direct answers via FOI.

You know re 3830 your answer that you have no record either CANNOT be true OR it exposes your Solicitor position of endorsing a decision reached in the very 2008/9 records you deny above even exist !

Yours sincerely,

Richard Card

Dear TDC FOI Support,

In your email you refer to having advised me on numerous occasions to direct water supply questions to Southern Water. But isn't TDC at this very time commissioning expert water directive inquiry re Brettts "Permitted Development" issues Part of the substance of the real FOI above.

There seems no genteel way to express this other than to say on the face of it you are lying.

Yours sincerely,

Richard Card

Dear TDC FOI Support,

I understand that you are a recent Politics Graduate.

"Don't assume ... check"

The current Dr Kirkup expert inquiry into QEQM maternity tragedies responded to my submission by scheduling research into PFOA (water supply) and PCBs (Environmental hazards to health) and to consider the question of whether to blood serum test.(Which QEQM has never done) The expert inquiry will contact me for input at that stage of their research.

HENCE TDC remains in breach of statutory duty in NHS/CCG Planning Law and should be mindful that Maternity Tragedy Inquest is OPEN. That means TDC is in breach of Common Law duties to report material facts to HM Coroner. These two breaches of duty are the context in which you treat water supply questions as a politics graduate irritant.

I would expect you to weigh the history. I reported to THREE expert bodies. Health Protection, DEFRA Drinking Water Inspectorate and Expert Inquiry QEQM maternity tragedies. First called for epidemiology health impact inquiry, Second banned Manston aquifer as a public water source, Third is expert inquiry maternity tragedies which is looking at foetal morbidity, foetal damage, pre eclampsia risks of persistent organic pollutants subject of UN Stockholm Convention PFOA and PCBs.

As for being manifestly unreasonable seeking to "Re-open" debate about water supply ... spot the basic flaw in your position? The Water Supply debate is OPEN and subject of due process I will be called to inform. It is a fallacy that an issue already open can be "Re-opened" or to conflate that fallacy with an ad hominem fallacy accusing an FOI applicant of some machiavellian plot.

Yours sincerely,

Richard Card