Requirement to sign NIP?

Waiting for an internal review by West Midlands Police of their handling of this request.

Dear West Midlands Police,

Following viewing another FOI request on WDTK I was led to your website http://www.wmsafetycameras.co.uk/

On the following page http://www.wmsafetycameras.co.uk/flow.ph...

It is stated:
What Happens Next?

"Complete the Form but Not Sign It

There are many myths surrounding speeding fines and this remains one of the most popular. If you fail to sign the form, or fail to correctly fill out any section, the form will be returned to you. You will then have 28 days in which to complete the form in its entirety.

Failure to do so will see prosecution brought against you for failing to supply details of the driver. You will then be sent a Court Summons."

There is no legal requirement for a registered keeper to sign the form sent out? By signing the form, the registered keeper enters into a legally binding contract...

Can you please clarify your claim that is placed upon this website and highlight what legislation you may feel requires a registered keeper to sign the NIP form, as I find it absolutely disgusting that misinformation is being disseminated in such an appalling manner.

Yours faithfully,

Wayne Pearsall

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dennis fallon left an annotation ()

From personal experience I believe there can be little doubt that the Police,CPS and Courts act as a tightly knit partnership using bullying tactics to achieve their aim of extracting money from as many people as possible.NOTHING to do with `protecting`the public, it`s ALL about raising money by any means,sometimes verging on dishonest tactics.

Wayne Pearsall left an annotation ()

Dennis, true. But this is downright disgraceful for a Public Authority to outright lie to the public.

True, you should complete for form, but there is no legal requirement to sign said form...

A man left an annotation ()

No corporation can REQUIRE of a man to do anything, they may only request at best

Freedom of Information, West Midlands Police

Dear Mr Pearsall

 

FOI Request Reference: 003174/15

 

Thank you for your request for information, received 12/08/2015.

 

REQUEST

 

Following viewing another FOI request on WDTK I was led to your website
http://www.wmsafetycameras.co.uk/

 

On the following page http://www.wmsafetycameras.co.uk/flow.ph...

 

It is stated:

What Happens Next?

 

"Complete the Form but Not Sign It

 

There are many myths surrounding speeding fines and this remains one of
the most popular. If you fail to sign the form, or fail to correctly fill
out any section, the form will be returned to you. You will then have 28
days in which to complete the form in its entirety.

 

Failure to do so will see prosecution brought against you for failing to
supply details of the driver. You will then be sent a Court Summons."

 

There is no legal requirement for a registered keeper to sign the form
sent out? By signing the form, the registered keeper enters into a legally
binding contract...

 

Can you please clarify your claim that is placed upon this website and
highlight what legislation you may feel requires a registered keeper to
sign the NIP form, as I find it absolutely disgusting that misinformation
is being disseminated in such an appalling manner.

 

 

 

RESPONSE

 

Please consult Idris Richard Francis vs Director of Public Prosecutions.

As recommended as good practice by the Information Commissioner’s Office a
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Wayne Pearsall left an annotation ()

What absolute bollocks:
http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/Admi...

As above - nobody can require a man to sign any contract... This surely means that all signed NIP's are signed under duress? ... C.V. [squiggle] (Signed under Duress)...

"loophole" conveniently closed? Bollocks is it... This is a complete work around so where a registered keeper is saying "he was driving" and it's forced self incrimination...

Dear Freedom of Information,

Courtney,

Can you please provide me with a full copy of all internal communication relating to FOI Request Reference: 003174/15. (This is known as a Meta Data request, which requires production of all internal emails / memo's ETC from those who have handled this request).

Yours sincerely,

Wayne Pearsall

dennis fallon left an annotation ()

From my personal experience the police and legal system operate in corrupt partnership but, of course, others might have had a fair trial and think the police are really great.The police organised their money making schemes using the `not for profit`police association called ACPO and their specialist hired lawyer David Perry Q.C, BUT although ACPO has just been forced to close down by Teresa May the police still rely on dodgy legal precedents such as the Idris Francis showtrial.
Wayne, they have asked YOU to google he Idris case, without providing a valid direct link to the case, which I think is unacceptable.Please ask hem to provide a link where you can read the Court evidence in detail, they should NOT atempt to conceal the Court Transcripts, but it was a good try.
Please keep at them, they will eventually try to make you go away by calling your request `vexatious`.
BTW, the financial`brains`behind the ACPO schemes was Derek Smith and he was allowed to `go quietly`by Chief Constable Sir Paul Scott-Lee when he was found to be not completely honest.
They operate under different rules.

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Dear Mr Pearsall

 

FOI Request Reference: 003289/15

 

Thank you for your request for information, received 19/08/2015.

 

REQUEST

 

Can you please provide me with a full copy of all internal communication
relating to FOI Request Reference: 003174/15.  (This is known as a Meta
Data request, which requires production of all internal emails / memo's
ETC from those who have handled this request).

 

 

RESPONSE

 

Whilst the majority of information is attached, some information is exempt
by virtue of Section 31 (Law Enforcement).

 

This exemptions and explanatory notes are shown here:

 

[1]http://www.west-midlands.police.uk/docs/...

 

In line with the above, I am required to complete a Prejudice Test/Public
Interest Test (PIT) on disclosure. Please find this PIT attached
(3289_Public_Interest_Test).

 

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Dear West Midlands Police,

Please pass this on to the person who conducts Freedom of Information reviews.

I am writing to request an internal review of West Midlands Police's handling of my FOI request 'Requirement to sign NIP?'.

FOI Request Reference: 003289/15

I don't see how Law Enforcement (S.31) can possibly be engaged. Please review promptly. Should you continue to withhold, I will proceed to the ICO on this case also.

A full history of my FOI request and all correspondence is available on the Internet at this address: https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/r...

Yours faithfully,

Wayne Pearsall

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Dear Freedom of Information,

FOI Request Reference: 003289/15

FYI Courtney,

It isn't hard to find the telephone number for 52675, and considering we've (Myself and Courtney) had personal dealings on this point before - where you've expected me to contact an officer in charge personally - instead of supplying information in relation to a "criminal case".

it's like email addresses... c.waring @ west-midlands.pnn.police.uk (this is correct right?) ...

After all... the Camera Enforcement Team handles criminal cases - so they would be the "OIC" of tickets ETC?... So why on earth can you now claim that divulging their details would prejudice law enforcement. (FYI: I'm sure S.31 also requires you to state which sub sections also) ;)

I mean, it's quite amazing that your staff try to withhold lots of internal contact details for unspecified reasons. Take Professional Standards email address ( PS_Assessments_Team [at] west-midlands.pnn.police.uk ) Why would your PA want to withhold such an obvious email which should be disclosed. After all, West Midlands Police have a reason to have many emails sent to their Professional Standard Department.

Yours sincerely,

Wayne Pearsall

Freedom of Information, West Midlands Police

Dear Mr Pearsall

 

FOI Request Reference: 003922/15

 

I acknowledge receipt of your correspondence, received 17/09/2015,
requesting West Midlands Police to review its response to your request for
information concerning 003289/15

 

The review will be conducted by a person independent of the original
decision in accordance with the West Midlands Police review procedure.
Every effort will be made to have a response to you within 20 working
days. However, if it becomes clear that the review will not be completed
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Yours sincerely,

 

 

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Dear Mr Pearsall

 

FOI Internal Review Reference: 003922/15

 

Thank you for your correspondence, received 17/09/2015 where you requested
West Midlands Police to review its response to your request for
information concerning request no 3289/15 and the application of section
31.

 

REQUEST FOR INTERNAL REVIEW

 

Please pass this on to the person who conducts Freedom of Information
reviews.

 

I am writing to request an internal review of West Midlands Police's
handling of my FOI request 'Requirement to sign NIP?'

 

FOI Request Reference: 003289/15

 

I don't see how Law Enforcement (S.31) can possibly be engaged.    Please
review promptly.  Should you continue to withhold, I will proceed to the
ICO on this case also.

 

A full history of my FOI request and all correspondence is available on
the Internet at this address:
[1]https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/r...

 

ORIGINAL REQUEST

 

Can you please provide me with a full copy of all internal communication
relating to FOI Request Reference: 003174/15.  (This is known as a Meta
Data request, which requires production of all internal emails / memo's
ETC from those who have handled this request).

 

INTERNAL REVIEW RESPONSE

 

A redacted version of all internal communication relating to request
3174/15 has already been provided as part of response 3289/15 on 17
September 2015. The redacted information is exempt by virtue of Section 31
(Law enforcement).

 

This exemptions and explanatory notes are shown here:

 

  
[1]http://www.west-midlands.police.uk/docs/...

 

In line with the above, I am required to complete a Prejudice Test/Public
Interest Test (PIT) on disclosure.

 

Harm

 

West Midlands Police (WMP) provide a local rate number (101) for members
of the public to contact the police for non emergencies and to contact
members of police staff. This improves the operational effectiveness and
efficiency of WMP.

The central switchboard staff are trained to be able to monitor and direct
calls to the relevant departments, ensuring that the public are in contact
with the appropriate person. If the extension number of employees were to
be routinely released, the public may be tempted to predict which
department they need to contact which may lead to an increase in calls for
those departments, affecting their ability to provide day to day services.
Also, unlike other departments, the central switchboard is staffed 24
hours a day, reducing the risk that calls will be missed.

Reasons for Disclosure

If extension numbers were made public, then the public could choose to
circumnavigate the switchboard.

Reasons for Non Disclosure

 

Freedom of Information Act is a public disclosure regime, not a private
regime. Therefore any information disclosed under it is thereafter deemed
to be in the public domain, and therefore freely available to the general
public.  Extension numbers are changed from time to time, departments can
move premises and consequently an incorrect extension number could be
forever out in the public domain, which could cause disruption to
departments that could receive calls not connected to their day to day
tasks. An increase in the number of calls may place a burden on those
departments, preventing them from working as efficiently as possible.

Use of the central switchboard ensures that WMP are working more
efficiently as the public are directed to the relevant department and also
ensures that calls are answered and the public are responded to, as
department phones are not staffed 24 hours a day.

 

Balance

The release of the information requested would be likely to undermine the
effective operation of WMP if it were in the public domain. We recognise
that release of this information may assist those members of the public
who wish to use extension numbers, but only if the extension number is
still current for that department.

However this must be balanced with the impact any release would have on
the operational capability of the police. An increase in the number of
calls to a department puts an additional burden on that department. This
stops them from being able to work efficiently and carry out their
operational duties.

On balance, the need for the police to work efficiently and effectively
communicate with the public, must take precedence over the desire of some
people to use extension numbers. Consequently, on balance, it would not be
in the public interest to release this information.

 

 

If you are not content with the outcome of the internal review, you have
the right to apply directly to the Information Commissioner for a
decision. The Information Commissioner can be contacted at: Information
Commissioner’s Office, Wycliffe House, Water Lane, Wilmslow, Cheshire, SK9
5AF

 

If you require any further information, then please do not hesitate to
contact me.

 

Yours sincerely,

 

 

Susan Brown

Freedom of Information Unit

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