Public Advice on Novichok – Wiltshire Incidents

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Dear Public Health England,

Public Advice on Novichok – Wiltshire Incidents

Please could you tell me why the advice you gave on Novichok is so far detached from the advice given by the OPCW.

Eg

PHE: There is only a low risk to the public

OPCW: It is extremely dangerous in tiny doses

And

PHE “This Stuff” (Novichok) presents its symptoms (through skin contact) between 3 (minimum) and 12 hours
The minimum 3 hours is for contact with a very high quantity.

OPCW: Symptoms will appear through skin contact (Nerve agents in general) between 20 and 30 minutes.

Yours faithfully,

Peter Beswick

FOI, Public Health England

Dear Mr Beswick,

We acknowledge receipt of your email and request for information, which will be treated as a request for information under statutory access legislation.

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Public Accountability Unit
Public Health England
[Public Health England request email]
Tel: 020 8327 6920 
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Dear Mr Beswick,

Please find attached Public Health England's response to your request.

Kind regards,

FOI Team

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Dear Public Health England,

Please pass this on to the person who conducts Freedom of Information reviews.

I am writing to request an internal review of Public Health England's handling of my FOI request 'Public Advice on Novichok – Wiltshire Incidents'.

I have asked why the advice PHE put out is so different from the advice promulgated by the OPCW and you have not answered that. For clarity I now want to know the information PHE has on the particular Novichok concerned and the toxicological properties it possess that allow you to give the advice you do. I want to see the data that you base your advice on

I would also like you to explain why you only give upper average time limits (what ever that means), for the poison to take effect and not lower time limits. And please explain why PHE advice does not make it perfectly clear that your advice now neglects lower limits for large and small doses. That was not the advice PHE gave in July, please explain why the advice has changed.

My complaint has 2 parts 1) is that the advice you have given me here contradicts entirely with the advice given by a PHE director at a public meeting to address concerns in Amesbury 2) You have not answered my FoIR.

I now want to know what information you are basing your advice on (the data) because it has clearly shifted from the Amesbury public meeting, why has it shifted? The data you had in July that formed that advice and the data you have now that forms your new advice.

"If you become ill with this stuff (Novichok) from actually coming into contact with a significant amount of it then its within 6-12 hours, maximum (that symptoms would occur) - 3 hours is the minimum but you have to be in touch with a large dose." Paul Cosford Amesbury 10th July 2018

https://www.spirefm.co.uk/news/local-new...

A full history of my FOI request and all correspondence is available on the Internet at this address: https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/p...

Yours faithfully,

Peter Beswick

FOI, Public Health England

We acknowledge receipt of your email and request for information, which will be treated as a request for information under statutory access legislation.

Please note that requests under the Freedom of Information Act and the Environmental Information Regulations (EIRs) will receive a response within 20 working days from the day following the date of receipt of your request.

If the request is for your personal data (i.e. a Subject Access Request) under the Data Protection Act, then we will respond within 40 calendar days.

Public Accountability Unit
Public Health England
[Public Health England request email]
Tel: 020 8327 6920 
www.gov.uk/phe   Follow us on Twitter @PHE uk

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Dear FOI,

Thank you for your response, if you are unable to deal with my request for more detail in the Internal Review then please do treat as a new request (for the additional information).

But please also press ahead with the Internal Review in parallel to the new request.

My original request has not been answered; why the times for symptoms to develop in Novichok poisoning via the skin, varies so greatly?

OPCW: 20-30mins, PHE: 3 - 12 hours

Yours sincerely,

Peter Beswick

Dear FOI,

Both my Request for an Internal Review and my Follow Up Request are long overdue, please note if I do not get a response to both by Mon 18th March I shall lodge a complaint with the ICO

Yours sincerely,

Peter Beswick

FOI, Public Health England

OFFICIAL
Dear Peter,

Apologies with the delay in this, we are reviewing the disclosure, once this is complete we will send.

Kind Regards

FOI Team

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Dear Mr Beswick

Please find attached Public Health England's response to your request for an internal review.

Kind regards

FOI team

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FOI, Public Health England

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Dear Mr Beswick,

 

Please find attached Public Health England's response to your ICO
complaint.

 

Kind regards,

 

FOI Team

 

 

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