Dear Plymouth Teaching Primary Care Trust (PCT),

I am an academic researcher, attempting to assess the provision of augmentative and alternative communication devices by the NHS. Would you please send me details of augmentative and alternative communication devices supplied/purchased by your trust between 31st March 2006 and 1st April 2011. I would like the information broken down by both product name (So for example Dynavox Xpress, iPod touch with TapToTalk, BigMack) and by year. I would like information for both children and adults, but I don't require a breakdown by age.

I attempting to find out how many people who have poor or no speech have a speech aid, in particular electronic speech aids, and I would like to know how many have been supplied by the trust during the last five years.

Deven PCT have helpfully give examples on a previous request. The format they used was

2005/06
4 X Digital Electronic Larynxes (Servox)
2 x Listen To Me
2 x Lightwriters
1 x Dynawrite
1 x Dynamo
1 x Falck Voice Amplifier
1 x Lions Speech Aid
1 x Go Talk
1 x Little Mack

2006/07
9 x Digital Electronic Larynxes (Servox)
2 x Lightwriters
1 x mini Printer
2 x The Grid software
2 x Falck Voice Amplifiers
1 x Listen To Me
1 x Textphone
1 x Talking Symbols Notepad

and this would do nicely for me. Other excellent formats were provided by:
Bradford and Airedale Teaching PCT
(http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/co...)
Bromley PCT (http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/co...)
Bristol PCT ( http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/co...)
and Central Lancashire PCT
(http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/au...)

Just to make the process more efficient for you guys - it would be great to clarify a couple of things at this stage - I am aware that some trusts make use of commissioning trusts to do the actual purchase of the devices; when I have contacted the commissioning trusts I've been often redirected back to the PCT because the paperwork for previous years have been stored at the PCT - this redirection must be causing additional work for both trusts in the long run and it would be great to avoid it (http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/au...
is an example of the problem)

Also, and again to make life easier for you, I should point about that since this request is being made via whatdotheyknow.com - email addresses are stripped out of replies to protect your privacy (because the responses are all available to public view- if you are to redirect my request to another body then it's ideal to just give the name of the body rather than just an email address

Yours faithfully,

Dr Joseph Reddington

Edmunds Stuart (PLYMOUTH TEACHING PCT), Plymouth Teaching Primary Care Trust (PCT)

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Dear Dr Reddington
 
Please find NHS Plymouth's acknowledgement of your request.
 
Stuart Edmunds
Freedom of Information Manager
NHS Plymouth
Plymouth Teaching Primary Care Trust
Building Two
Brest Road
Plymouth
PL6 5QZ
 
[email address]
 
 

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Edmunds Stuart (PLYMOUTH TEACHING PCT), Plymouth Teaching Primary Care Trust (PCT)

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Dear Dr Reddington
 
Please find NHS Plymouth's response.
 
Yours sincerely
 
Stuart Edmunds
 
Freedom of Information Manager
NHS Plymouth
Plymouth Teaching Primary Care Trust
Building One
Brest Road
Plymouth
PL6 5QZ
 
 
 
 

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Dear Edmunds Stuart (PLYMOUTH TEACHING PCT),

So just to confirm (I'm preparing the final report at the moment) - Plymouth Teaching Primary Care Trust haven't purchased any devices and the private company that took over, took over well after the period we are interested in?

Yours sincerely,

Joe

Edmunds Stuart (PLYMOUTH TEACHING PCT), Plymouth Teaching Primary Care Trust (PCT)

Dear Joe

We are a commissioning organisation. No products were listed as part of procurement processes for the period specified. We do not hold any of the information you requested.

Provider organisations may hold some information that would be useful to you, but you would need to speak to them directly. (See suggestions in original letter)

NHS Plymouth was both a commissioner and a provider until 01/10/2011. The provider component became Plymouth Community Health Care CIC and is not subject to the Act anymore. Their Speech Therapy department may assist you but it would not be part of a FoI process.

Plymouth Hospitals NHS Trust is another Plymouth provider and may be able to assist you. It is subject to the Act.

Stuart Edmunds
Freedom of Information Manager
NHS Plymouth
Plymouth Teaching Primary Care Trust
Building Two
Brest Road
Plymouth
PL6 5QZ

[email address]

01752 435112

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Dear Edmunds Stuart (PLYMOUTH TEACHING PCT),

Yes... and I'm looking for the data from before 01/10/2011 - so public data...

Yours sincerely,

Joe

Edmunds Stuart (PLYMOUTH TEACHING PCT), Plymouth Teaching Primary Care Trust (PCT)

Dear Joe

As previously stated, NHS Plymouth does not hold any of the information requested. I am sorry that on this occasion we could not be more helpful.

Stuart Edmunds
Freedom of Information Manager
NHS Plymouth
Plymouth Teaching Primary Care Trust
Building One
Brest Road
Plymouth
PL6 5QZ

[email address]

01752 435111

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Dear Edmunds Stuart (PLYMOUTH TEACHING PCT),

So I've taken some advice from some people who are well informed about the law... there response (with some some minor edits in square brackets looks like -

"[Plymouth Community Health Care CIC] could be a public authority in their own right, if they fall
under one of these categories (from the FOI Act 2000 [sic] as amended):

43A Any person providing primary medical services, primary dental
services or primary ophthalmic services—
(a) in accordance with arrangements made under section 92 or 107
of the National Health Service Act 2006, or section 50 or 64 of the
National Health Service (Wales) Act 2006; or
(b) under a contract under section 84, 100 or 117 of the National
Health Service Act 2006 or section 42 or 57 of the National Health
Service (Wales) Act 2006;
in respect of information relating to the provision of those
services [added by Health and Social Care (Community Health and
Standards) Act 2003, amended by Health Act 2006 to include ophthalmic
services, and amended by National Health Service (Consequential
Provisions) Act 2006 and Health Act 2006]

44 - Any person providing general medical services, general
ophthalmic services or pharmaceutical services under the National
Health Service Act 2006 or the National Health Service (Wales) Act
2006, in respect of information relating to the provision of those
services [amended by Health and Social Care (Community Health and
Standards) Act 2003, SI 2005/38, SI 2005/2925, SI 2006/345 and
National Health Service (Consequential Provisions) Act 2006)

45 - Any person providing personal medical services or personal
dental services under arrangements made under section 28C of the
National Health Service Act 1977, in respect of information relating
to the provision of those services [partly removed by Health and
Social Care (Community Health and Standards) Act 2003, SI 2005/38, SI
2005/2925, and SI 2006/345]"

Would you mind asking Plymouth Community Health Care CIC why the act does not apply to them if they are providing medical services?

Yours sincerely,

Joe

Dr Joseph Reddington

Edmunds Stuart (PLYMOUTH TEACHING PCT), Plymouth Teaching Primary Care Trust (PCT)

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Dear Dr Reddington

 

RE: NHS Plymouth’s response to your enquiry

 

NHS Plymouth is required to tell you whether it holds the information or
not.  It does not hold the information and therefore cannot communicate
it.  (See section 1.-(1) (a) and (b)

 

We are required where we can, to help you (section 16).  I have done
that.  I have:

 

·        investigated with the procurement team all of the equipment
quoted and established no purchases have been made through that process.

·        I have provided suggestions, recommendations and links for you to
follow up as you seek fit.

·        I cannot approach individual staff in a separate community
interest company.  PCH is not a corporate identity subject to the Freedom
of Information Act. 

 

I think your concerns about the process will be addressed in the future if
and when the Freedom of Information (Amendments) Act is passed.  Until
such time commissioned private companies and charities providing services
to the NHS are not subject to the Act, unless they are considered an
Authority in their own right.   At this time and historically this has
been understood to be GPs, specific dentists, opticians and pharmacies.

 

If you remain unhappy with our conclusion, you can approach the
Information Commissioner and they will look into your grievance.

 

I am re-attaching the appeal process for your ease. 

 

Stuart Edmunds

Freedom of Information Manager

NHS Plymouth

Plymouth Teaching Primary Care Trust

Building One

Brest Road

Plymouth

PL6 5QZ

 

[NHS Plymouth request email]

 

01752 435111

 

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Dear Plymouth Teaching Primary Care Trust (PCT),

Please pass this on to the person who conducts Freedom of Information reviews.

I am writing to request an internal review of Plymouth Teaching Primary Care Trust (PCT)'s handling of my FOI request 'Provision of augmentative and alternative communication devices'.

In particular I'd like you to confirm why you do not have data from before the private company took over, and why it is the trust's position that this private company is not within the remit of this particular part of the Freedom of information act:

"[Plymouth Community Health Care CIC] could be a public authority
in their own right, if they fall
under one of these categories (from the FOI Act 2000 [sic] as
amended):

43A Any person providing primary medical services, primary dental
services or primary ophthalmic services—
(a) in accordance with arrangements made under section 92 or 107
of the National Health Service Act 2006, or section 50 or 64 of the
National Health Service (Wales) Act 2006; or
(b) under a contract under section 84, 100 or 117 of the National
Health Service Act 2006 or section 42 or 57 of the National Health
Service (Wales) Act 2006;
in respect of information relating to the provision of those
services [added by Health and Social Care (Community Health and
Standards) Act 2003, amended by Health Act 2006 to include
ophthalmic
services, and amended by National Health Service (Consequential
Provisions) Act 2006 and Health Act 2006]

44 - Any person providing general medical services, general
ophthalmic services or pharmaceutical services under the National
Health Service Act 2006 or the National Health Service (Wales) Act
2006, in respect of information relating to the provision of those
services [amended by Health and Social Care (Community Health and
Standards) Act 2003, SI 2005/38, SI 2005/2925, SI 2006/345 and
National Health Service (Consequential Provisions) Act 2006)

45 - Any person providing personal medical services or personal
dental services under arrangements made under section 28C of the
National Health Service Act 1977, in respect of information
relating
to the provision of those services [partly removed by Health and
Social Care (Community Health and Standards) Act 2003, SI 2005/38,
SI
2005/2925, and SI 2006/345]"

While you are considering your response, you might be interested in the response from Kirklees PCT (http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/pr...) who also rather rudely refused my request on same 'FOI doesn't apply here" grounds. The important thing to notice there is that the company they use 'Locala' is not it's own entity on ww.whatdotheyknow.com and provided the data pleasantly and satisfactorily (see http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/aa...)

All I want is the data: I'm not looking for a pound of flesh, and I'm not looking for people to lose their jobs. But the data is very much what I'm looking for.

A full history of my FOI request and all correspondence is available on the Internet at this address:
http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/pr...

Yours faithfully,

Dr Joseph Reddington

Plymouth Ask (PLYMOUTH TEACHING PCT), Plymouth Teaching Primary Care Trust (PCT)

Dear Dr Joseph Reddington

NHS Plymouth acknowledges receipt of your email and will take forward accordingly.

Kind regards

Freedom of Information team

________________________________________
From: Joe [[FOI #92972 email]]
Sent: 16 May 2012 12:30
To: Plymouth Ask (PLYMOUTH TEACHING PCT)
Subject: Internal review of Freedom of Information request - Provision of augmentative and alternative communication devices

Dear Plymouth Teaching Primary Care Trust (PCT),

Please pass this on to the person who conducts Freedom of
Information reviews.

I am writing to request an internal review of Plymouth Teaching
Primary Care Trust (PCT)'s handling of my FOI request 'Provision of
augmentative and alternative communication devices'.

In particular I'd like you to confirm why you do not have data from
before the private company took over, and why it is the trust's
position that this private company is not within the remit of this
particular part of the Freedom of information act:

"[Plymouth Community Health Care CIC] could be a public authority
in their own right, if they fall
under one of these categories (from the FOI Act 2000 [sic] as
amended):

43A Any person providing primary medical services, primary dental
services or primary ophthalmic services—
(a) in accordance with arrangements made under section 92 or 107
of the National Health Service Act 2006, or section 50 or 64 of the
National Health Service (Wales) Act 2006; or
(b) under a contract under section 84, 100 or 117 of the National
Health Service Act 2006 or section 42 or 57 of the National Health
Service (Wales) Act 2006;
in respect of information relating to the provision of those
services [added by Health and Social Care (Community Health and
Standards) Act 2003, amended by Health Act 2006 to include
ophthalmic
services, and amended by National Health Service (Consequential
Provisions) Act 2006 and Health Act 2006]

44 - Any person providing general medical services, general
ophthalmic services or pharmaceutical services under the National
Health Service Act 2006 or the National Health Service (Wales) Act
2006, in respect of information relating to the provision of those
services [amended by Health and Social Care (Community Health and
Standards) Act 2003, SI 2005/38, SI 2005/2925, SI 2006/345 and
National Health Service (Consequential Provisions) Act 2006)

45 - Any person providing personal medical services or personal
dental services under arrangements made under section 28C of the
National Health Service Act 1977, in respect of information
relating
to the provision of those services [partly removed by Health and
Social Care (Community Health and Standards) Act 2003, SI 2005/38,
SI
2005/2925, and SI 2006/345]"

While you are considering your response, you might be interested in
the response from Kirklees PCT
(http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/pr...)
who also rather rudely refused my request on same 'FOI doesn't
apply here" grounds. The important thing to notice there is that
the company they use 'Locala' is not it's own entity on
ww.whatdotheyknow.com and provided the data pleasantly and
satisfactorily (see
http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/aa...)

All I want is the data: I'm not looking for a pound of flesh, and
I'm not looking for people to lose their jobs. But the data is very
much what I'm looking for.

A full history of my FOI request and all correspondence is
available on the Internet at this address:
http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/pr...

Yours faithfully,

Dr Joseph Reddington

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Edmunds Stuart (PLYMOUTH TEACHING PCT), Plymouth Teaching Primary Care Trust (PCT)

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Dear Dr Joseph Reddington

Please find NHS Plymouth's response.

Stuart Edmunds
Freedom of Information Manager
For the cluster of NHS Devon, Plymouth and Torbay
Western Locality
Building Two
Brest Road
Plymouth
PL6 5QZ

[NHS Plymouth request email]

01752 435111

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