proposed changes to timetable to and from Orpington December 2022 onwards

The request was refused by SE Trains Limited.

Dear SE Trains Limited,

Please disclose any and all plans and and information relating to any proposed changes to the fast direct London Bridge to Orpington and Orpington to London Bridge train service and timetable.

I would also like to know about any planned changes for the Sevenoaks to London services and timetable and the Orpington to Hastings services and timetable.

I would like to know about any changes being discussed or planned for the December 2022 timetable and beyond along with any impact assessments.

Yours faithfully,

Jane Austin

Information Rights, SE Trains Limited

Dear Jane,

I have received your request for information about train services between Orpington and London. This will be handled under the Freedom of Information Act.

We aim to respond to FOIA requests within 20 working days. If we are unable to do so for any reason, we will let you know and tell you when you will receive our formal response.

Regards

Mark Willson
Data Protection and FOIA Officer
southeasternrailway.co.uk

southeastern
2nd Floor,
4 More London Riverside,
London, SE1 2AU.

Regards

Mark Willson
Audit & Compliance Manager
0330 095 9178 (Internal 59178)
07792 042 627
southeasternrailway.co.uk

southeastern
2nd Floor,
4 More London Riverside,
London, SE1 2AU.

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Information Rights, SE Trains Limited

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Our Ref: FOI0085

 

Dear Jane,

 

Please find below our response to your Freedom of Information Act (FOIA)
request in which you asked for:

 

• Any and all plans and information relating to any proposed changes to
the fast direct London Bridge to Orpington and Orpington to London
Bridge train service and timetable.
• I would also like to know about any planned changes for the Sevenoaks
to London services and timetable and the Orpington to Hastings
services and timetable.
• I would like to know about any changes being discussed or planned for
the December 2022 timetable and beyond along with any impact
assessments.

 

I can confirm that we hold some of this information.

 

Timetables Between London Bridge and Orpington

We hold draft versions of these timetables which has yet to be finalised
and approved. Under s22 of the FOIA Information Intended for Future
Publication is exempt from disclosure.  As our timetables will be
published the s22 exemption applies. The s22 exemption is qualified by the
public interest test and we set out below the basis for withholding the
information.

 

Timetables Between Sevenoaks and London and Orpington to Hastings

We hold draft versions of these timetables which has yet to be finalised
and approved. Under s22 of the FOIA Information Intended for Future
Publication is exempt from disclosure.  As our timetables will be
published the s22 exemption applies. The s22 exemption is qualified by the
public interest test and we set out below the basis for withholding the
information.

 

December 2022 timetable and beyond

We hold a draft version of the December 2022 timetable which has yet to be
finalised and approved. Under s22 of the FOIA Information Intended for
Future Publication is exempt from disclosure.  As our timetables will be
published the s22 exemption applies. The s22 exemption is qualified by the
public interest test and we set out below the basis for withholding the
information.

 

We do not hold any version of the timetable beyond December 2022. This is
because the timetable bidding period has not yet commenced. 

 

Plans and Impact Assessments

We hold some of this information. Under s41 of the FOIA information is
exempt from disclosure where to do so would be an actionable breach of
confidence. The plans and impact assessments requested consist of both
third party information subject to contractual confidentiality clauses and
internal information. It would not be possible to disclose internally
generated information without breaching our contractual confidentiality
obligations. The s41 exemption is absolute and not subject to the public
interest test.  

 

Public Interest Test

 

Factors for disclosure Factors against disclosure
▪ Disclosure of draft timetables would ▪ The timetables are still in
allow an applicant to assess what is development, subject to change and
being planned and allow them to require ministerial approval, which
raise concerns or objections and has not yet been given.
contribute to the timetable ▪ Disclosure would conflict with
development process. obligations to the Department for
live policy still under
  development.
▪ Disclosure of information on
▪ Greater transparency would improve timetables under development would
the timetable decision making inhibit discussions and advice to
process. Ministers by Departmental
Officials, who require a safe space
to develop policy.
▪ Disclosure could inhibit the
quality of decision making by
stifling debate and challenge to
existing policy, contrary to the
public interest.

 
Decision Reached
Timetables and policy are still in development. Premature disclosure might
prevent consideration of policy options leading to poor decision. The
information requested is being withheld as on balance the factors for
withholding it outweigh the factors for releasing it. 

 

Regards

 

Mark Willson

Data Protection and FOIA Officer

southeasternrailway.co.uk

 

southeastern

2nd Floor,

4 More London Riverside,

London, SE1 2AU.

 

Appeal Rights

 

If you are unhappy with the way your request has been handled and wish to
make a complaint or request a review of our decision, please write to the
Southeastern Company Solicitor, 2^nd Floor, 4 More London Riverside, SE1
2AU, or by email at [1][email address]

 

Your request must be submitted within 40 working days of receipt of this
letter.

 

If you are not content with the outcome of the internal review, you have
the right to apply directly to the Information Commissioner for a
decision. The Information Commissioner (ICO) can be contacted at
Information Commissioner's Office, Wycliffe House, Water Lane, Wilmslow,
Cheshire, SK9 5AF or you can contact the ICO through the 'Make a
Complaint' section of their website on this link:
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Dear SE Trains Limited,

Please pass this on to the person who conducts Freedom of Information reviews.

I am writing to request an internal review of SE Trains Limited's handling of my FOI request 'proposed changes to timetable to and from Orpington December 2022 onwards'.

I requested information to clarify whether or not there were plans to reduce the number of fast trains from Orpington to London Bridge, or to remove them completely.

my request was refused as the decision was framed as a policy decision and that MPs need a safe space to review policy without scrutiny.

Firstly, I reject this claim, and secondly, removing trains is not a policy decision but an enactment of policy and so even if the claim of having a safe space was to be valid, decisions and discussions about routes and timetabling should not fall within this defence .

I look forward to your response

A full history of my FOI request and all correspondence is available on the Internet at this address: https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/p...

Yours faithfully,

Jane Austin

Vyas, Karishma, SE Trains Limited

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Dear Jane

 

Thank you for your email dated 20 July 2022 and request for a review of
your Freedom of Information (FOI) request.

 

We understand that you have requested that SE Trains Limited  disclose any
and all plans and information relating to any proposed changes to the fast
direct London Bridge to Orpington and Orpington to London Bridge train
service and timetable. You would also like to know about any planned
changes for the Sevenoaks to London services and timetable and the
Orpington to Hastings services and timetable. In addition, you would also
like to know about any changes being discussed or planned for the December
2022 timetable and beyond along with any impact assessments.

 

We have carried out a review of the handing of your FOI request and the
exemptions that have been applied.

 

We have confirmed that we hold some of the information that you have
requested, including information on the draft versions of the timetable
for the following services:

 

• London Bridge and Orpington;
• Orpington to London Bridge;
• Sevenoaks and London;
• Orpington to Hastings;

 

These timetables are yet to be finalised and will be published following
approval. Therefore, as the timetable for the services listed above will
be disclosed, SE Trains are exempt from making a disclosure under s22 of
the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA), Information Intended for Future
Publication.

 

The s22 exemption is qualified by the public interest test, which we have
set out in our previous correspondence, along with the basis for
withholding the information.

 

 

We have confirmed that we hold a draft version of the December 2022
timetable, which is yet to be finalised and approved. As this will also be
published at a future date, SE Trains are able to rely on the s22 FOIA
Information Intended for Future Publication.

 

Once again, the s22 exemption is qualified by the public interest test,
which we have set out in previous correspondence, along with the basis for
withholding the information.

 

 

We do not hold any version of the timetable beyond December 2022.

 

We have confirmed that we hold some information on ‘plans and impact
assessments’. However, under s41 of the FOIA, information is exempt from
disclosure where to do so would be an actionable breach of confidence. The
plans and impact assessments requested consist of

third party information subject to contractual confidentiality clauses and
internal information. It would not be possible to disclose internally
generated information without breaching our contractual confidentiality
obligations. The s41 exemption is absolute and not subject to the public

interest test. 

 

 

We trust that this clarifies the exemptions that have been applied and the
reasons for not releasing the information requested by you. However, if
you are not content with the outcome of the internal review, you have the
right to apply directly to the Information Commissioner for a decision.
The Information Commissioner (ICO) can be contacted at Information
Commissioner's Office, Wycliffe House, Water Lane, Wilmslow, Cheshire, SK9
5AF or you can contact the ICO through the 'Make a Complaint' section of
their website on this link: [1]https://ico.org.uk/make-acomplaint/

 

Yours sincerely

 

 

 

Company Solicitor

southeastern

Second floor,

4 More London Riverside,

London,

SE1 2AU

 

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Dear Jane

 

Thank you for your email dated 20 July 2022 and request for a review of
your Freedom of Information (FOI) request.

 

We understand that you have requested that SE Trains Limited  disclose any
and all plans and information relating to any proposed changes to the fast
direct London Bridge to Orpington and Orpington to London Bridge train
service and timetable. You would also like to know about any planned
changes for the Sevenoaks to London services and timetable and the
Orpington to Hastings services and timetable. In addition, you would also
like to know about any changes being discussed or planned for the December
2022 timetable and beyond along with any impact assessments.

 

We have carried out a review of your FOI request and the exemptions that
have been applied which prevent disclosure.

 

We have confirmed that we hold some of the information that you have
requested, including information on the draft versions of the timetable
for the following services:

 

• London Bridge and Orpington;
• Orpington to London Bridge;
• Sevenoaks and London;
• Orpington to Hastings;

 

These timetables are yet to be finalised and will be published following
approval. Therefore, as the timetable for the services listed above will
be disclosed, SE Trains are exempt from making a disclosure under s22 of
the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA), Information Intended for Future
Publication.

 

The s22 exemption is qualified by the public interest test, which we have
set out previous correspondence, along with the basis for withholding the
information.

 

 

We have confirmed that we hold a draft version of the December 2022
timetable, which is yet to be finalised and approved. As this will also be
published at a future date, SE Trains are able to rely on the s22 FOIA
Information Intended for

Future Publication.

 

Once again, the s22 exemption is qualified by the public interest test,
which we have set out previously along with the basis for withholding the
information.

 

 

We do not hold any version of the timetable beyond December 2022. This is
because the timetable bidding period has not yet commenced.

 

We have confirm that we hold some information on ‘plans and impact
assessments’. However, under s41 of the FOIA information is exempt from
disclosure where to do so would be an actionable breach of confidence. The
plans and impact assessments requested consist of both

third party information subject to contractual confidentiality clauses and
internal information. It would not be possible to disclose internally
generated information without breaching our contractual confidentiality
obligations. The s41 exemption is absolute and not subject to the public

interest test. 

 

 

We trust that this clarifies the exemptions that have been applied and the
reasons for not releasing the information requested . However, if you are
not content with the outcome of the internal review, you have the right to
apply directly to the Information Commissioner for a decision. The
Information Commissioner (ICO) can be contacted at Information
Commissioner's Office, Wycliffe House, Water Lane, Wilmslow, Cheshire, SK9
5AF or you can contact the ICO through the 'Make a Complaint' section of
their website on this link: https://ico.org.uk/make-acomplaint/

 

Yours sincerely

 

Company Solicitor

southeastern

Second floor,

4 More London Riverside,

London,

SE1 2AU

 

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