Police Misconduct related queries

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Dear West Midlands Police and Crime Commissioner,
I note from your website that the role of the PCC is ensuring an efficient and effective police force in our area, setting priorities for the Force, deciding the budget, and holding the Chief Constable to account. Unfortunately I have noticed deteriorating standards of effective policing over the past few years, culminating recently when I was beaten and robbed by 2 BAME teenagers in broad daylight, on a main High Street, who then actually ran away smiling , and the nearest operational police officers were 6 miles away, with the local police station now being closed, and they took 15 minutes to arrive.I had a good view of the culprits but when I was taken the 6 miles to the police station, for a witness statement, the identification procedures were FAR from efficient, there was embarrassing wasted time trying to agree words to describe the robbers precise skin colour and hair styles when, surely, there should be a skin colour chart and a hair style chart which would massively improve the efficiency and accuracy of the process.
I have only posted this comment to put it on the record, I don`t think the police are being run efficiently and I never agreed to the police station closure programme, but we are where we are.
I would like to post a FOI request regarding Police Misconduct hearings which are supposed to be held in the public domain to demonstrate transparency.
FOI Q1.In his role of holding the Chief Constable to account, is the PCC notified specifically of all Misconduct hearings and their outcomes?
FOI Q2. The outcome of misconduct hearings are displayed on the police website for approximately 28 days after the hearing, but an outcome notification from 3rd September, just removed, regarding a drink driving police officer ( PC Cope 5058 ) reported `FINDING, Proven - Gross Misconduct : OUTCOME,Proven - Gross Misconduct`.
Obviously the true outcome has not been disclosed, as it should be warning or dismissal, but the police FOI department advise they hold no information about the true outcome and refuse to provide an explanation. Please advise if the PCC has been advised or consulted about this case and, if so, please disclose the outcome of the hearing and any related correspondance.

Yours faithfully,

Dennis Fallon(BScHons)

West Midlands Office of the Police and Crime Commissioner, West Midlands Police and Crime Commissioner

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Benjamin Johnson, West Midlands Police and Crime Commissioner

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Dear Mr Fallon,

Thank you for your email. Please find attached the response to your request.

Kind regards

Ben Johnson
Business Support Officer

West Midlands Police & Crime Commissioner
Lloyd House
Colmore Circus Queensway
Birmingham
B4 6NQ

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Int: 801 6035

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Dear West Midlands Police and Crime Commissioner,

Please pass this on to the person who conducts Freedom of Information reviews.

I am writing to request an internal review of West Midlands Police and Crime Commissioner's handling of my FOI request 'Police Misconduct related queries'.
Benjamin Johnson has provided a prompt and professional reply to my query but, to my amazement, he informs me that Mr Jamieson, who the public trust to have the responsibility for monitoring the standards of the police force as a whole (not just holding the Chief Constable to account), has made no requirement of the Chief Constable to keep him informed about conduct issues as expressed at police misconduct hearings and may, therefore, be unaware about the regular stream of officers accused of sexual misconduct and other miscellaneous criminal offences. I cannot believe that a responsible person such as the PCC can avoid accountability by simply deciding to remain ignorant about police misconduct.In my preamble to my request I explained why I have `attitude`, from personal negative experience, regarding the out of control crime situation in the West Midlands and the consequences of closure of local police stations meaning the police waste hours of each shift just driving to distant crime scenes and the offenders have plenty of time to avoid being caught.
The PCC is highly paid and his motto should not be `Ignorance is Bliss`so, seriously, please confirm that the PCC is not routeinly kept informed about police standards and holds no information on such matters.
I confirm that the police FOI department have threatened to refuse to deal with my enquiries, on the alleged grounds of being vexatious, when it is demonstatable that my enquiries are well founded queries into possibly unethical behaviour, which makes them uncomfortable.
There is no point my appealing to the Professional Standards Department because they are hand in glove with the FOI department, the issue I am concerned with is how Misconduct hearings can have published false outcomes and the PCC considers it is not his responsibility to be aware and the police can make threats to stop enquiries.
I have posted this request on a public website to put it on the record that, as of October 2019, I have concerns about the standards within the Office of the PCC and police deliberately misleading the public.
I have completed this diatribe, please reconfirm that the PCC has no duty to be aware of police standards by way of misconduct hearings and please confirm that if drink driving police officer ( PC Cope 5058 ) was not dismissed after being found, Proven - Gross Misconduct , was the the allowance of the non-dismissal advised or consulted with the OPCC or was Mr Jamison uninformed?

Sorry to bother you with this review, but it concerns me that Mr Jamieson doesn`t really know what is going on and the police are heavily into self protection rather than transparency which undermines their integrity.

A full history of my FOI request and all correspondence is available on the Internet at this address: https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/p...

Yours faithfully,

Dennis Fallon(BScHons)

Dear Benjamin Johnson,
On 8th October i requested an appeal review of my FOI request, Police Misconduct realed queries, to confirm your response that the PCC has no responsibility to be kept informed about the outcomes of misconduct hearings, which the public assume would be an important method for the PCC to be aware of issues of police irregularity which might affect his Police and Crime role and public perceptions.
I am not aware of how my emails are recorded on your systems, but the request may be viewwed on the public website at.,
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/p...

To summarise the appeal points, for your convenience,
Appeal point 1.Please confirm if the PCC is officially informed of the outcome of Misconduct Hearings and if the outcomes are recorded by the OPPC and is part of his responsibilities.
Appeal point 2. Please confirm that if drink driving police officer ( PC Cope 5058 ) was not dismissed after being found, Proven - Gross Misconduct , was the the allowance of the non-dismissal advised or consulted with the OPCC ,or was Mr Jamison uninformed of the outcome or decisions?

The appeal points are very straightforward and require very little research so I would appreciate prompt conclusion.
i confirm that I am a taxpayer of the West Midlands interested in how the system works.

Yours sincerely,

Dennis Fallon (BScHons)

Dear Benjamin Johnson,
I would appreciate confirmation that you received my appeal review request on 8th October and estimation of your completion date for same.

Yours sincerely,

Dennis Fallon (BScHons)

Benjamin Johnson, West Midlands Police and Crime Commissioner

Dear Mr Fallon,

Thank you for your email. I can confirm that your FOI review has been received and was received on 8 October 2019. I must advise you that the Legal Advisor to the Police and Crime Commissioner is currently reviewing our original response and will update you once she has reached a decision. I estimate that you will receive a response to your review request by next Tuesday 5 November 2019.

Please let me know if you have any other queries and please accept my apologies for the delay in confirmation of receipt of your request.

Kind regards

Ben Johnson
Business Support Officer

West Midlands Police & Crime Commissioner
Lloyd House
Colmore Circus Queensway
Birmingham
B4 6NQ

Tel: 0121 626 6060
Int: 801 6035

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Darlene Waithe, West Midlands Police and Crime Commissioner

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Dear Mr Fallon

 

I refer to your request for information under the Freedom of Information
Act 2000  dated 3rd October 2019,  the response which was sent to you
dated 7th October 2019 and your request for a review of that response date
8th October 2019.

 

Questions for Review.

 

1.       Reconfirm that the PCC has no duty to be aware of police
standards by way of misconduct hearings.

 

2.       Please confirm that if  drink driving police officer ( PC Cope
5058 ) was not dismissed after being found, Proven - Gross Misconduct ,
was the allowance of the non-dismissal advised or consulted with the OPCC
or was Mr Jamison uninformed?

 

Answers to the Questions Posed.

 

1.       Having  read all of the documents and I confirm that it is
correct that whilst it is the role of the Police and Crime Commissioner to
ensure the effective policing of the West Midlands the Chief Constable is
responsible for operational matters relating to policing activity.

 

2.       It is also correct that the Police and Crime Commissioner is not
informed of all police misconduct matters, further as regards such cases
these are heard  by a legally qualified chairperson who is independent of
the West Midlands Police Force and also the Office of the Police and 
Crime Commissioner, therefore neither of the two Organisations has any
control  over the outcome of the misconduct hearings.

 

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Thank you for your various requests and for your interest in policing in
the West Midlands area.

 

Yours sincerely

 

Darlene Waithe

 

Legal Adviser to the Police and Crime Commissioner

For West Midlands.

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Dear Darlene Waithe,
Thank you for your response which confirms my fears that the PCC is currently not obliged to know what is going on regarding police conduct issues and may therefore be unaware of patterns of errant behaviour within the force, and when I asked about a particular hearing which had an erroneous outcome you advise me that the Police and Crime Commissioner is not informed of all police misconduct matters which, as you have avoided answering directly, seems to imply that Mr Jamiesion has not been informed of this particular outcome, nor his approval sought for an exceptional outcome.
I shall mark this request as `closed,some information provided`and, in the light of the OPCC now advertising for an imminent post of shared Police Complaints Review Manager I shall post a new request seeking clarification.
Please note my requests are not veatious, they are simply persistant to establish the truth behind misunderstandings which currently exist.

THIS REQUEST IS CLOSED, A NEW UPDATED REQUEST HAS BEEN POSTED.

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/p...

Yours sincerely,

Dennis Fallon (BScHons)