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Dear Sir or Madam,

The MINISTRY OF JUSTICE is a registered business with the registration number UC6214811, with the address of 102 Petty France, London, SW1H 9AJ.

My questions are as follow:

1. Is the MINISTRY OF JUSTICE as described above a public or private company?

2. Is the MINISTRY OF JUSTICE as described above a for-profit business?

3. If not, what is the purpose of being a company rather than a natural ministry of Her Majesty, Queen Elizabeth’s Government?

4. Does the company registered as the MINISTRY OF JUSTICE as described above oversee and regulate English and Welsh Magistrate Courts?

5. If so, are English and Welsh Magistrate Courts wholly owned by the company registered as the MINISTRY OF JUSTICE as described above?

6. If not, are English and Welch Magistrate Courts registered companies in their own right?

7. Who are the shareholders of the company registered as the MINISTRY OF JUSTICE as described above?

8. What share structure does the company registered as the MINISTRY OF JUSTICE as described above have?

9. Which Act of Parliament allowed the formation of the MINISTRY OF JUSTICE company as described above?

10. What jurisdiction does the company called MINISTRY OF JUSTICE as described above have over the people of England and Wales?

11. Can a company such as the MINISTRY OF JUSTICE as described above have jurisdiction over English and Welsh Freemen? If so, which natural law allows this?

12. Are Acts of Parliament (Statutes) that apply to people in England and Wales, Admiralty Law, or based on international treaty covering international commercial activity on the high seas?

13. Are England or Wales registered companies for the purposes of the MINISTRY OF JUSTICE as described and, or, Her Majesty, Queen Elizabeth’s Government?

Yours faithfully,

John Smith

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Chadwick, Paul, Ministry of Justice

Our Ref: TO 255007 & TO09/5769

Dear Mr Smith

Thank you for your email, dated 11th September (below).

The registration number quoted in your email does not correspond to any
company registered with Companies House. Companies House do not use a
"UC" prefix with any of their registration numbers.

The Ministry of Justice (MoJ) is a Government Department and is not
registered as a business. The MoJ's latest audited resource accounts
(for the year to 31 March 2009) can be found here:

http://www.justice.gov.uk/publications/r...

In the meantime, I would be most grateful if you would kindly forward on
any evidence you have gathered that a business with the registration
number "UC6214811" has been registered under the name "Ministry of
Justice", so that the Department may investigate further.

Kind regards

Paul

Paul Chadwick
Senior Financial Governance Manager
Investment & Financial Governance
Corporate Finance
Ministry of Justice

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Dear Paul,

Thank you for your reply.

To answer your request, the listing for the registration number "UC6214811" can be found at the following web site: http://www.snoop4companies.co.uk. It is possible to search by number or name.

I'm sure you will take this matter seriously and await your reply.

Finally, I still await a reply to question 12:

12. Are Acts of Parliament (Statutes) that apply to people in England and Wales, Admiralty Law, or based on international treaty covering international commercial activity on the high seas?

Yours sincerely,

John

Dear Paul,

Thank you for your request for clarification.

To answer your request, the listing for the registration number "UC6214811" can be found at the following web site: http://www.snoop4companies.co.uk. It is possible to search by number or name.

I'm sure you will take this matter seriously and await your reply.

Finally, I still await a reply to question 12:

12. Are Acts of Parliament (Statutes) that apply to people in England and Wales, Admiralty Law, or based on international treaty covering international commercial activity on the high seas?

Yours sincerely,

John

John Smith left an annotation ()

Today I received a request for clarification which was the same to their first reply, so I resent my original reply.

Dear Paul,

This is the third time I have received a clarification request. Below is the same reply I gave on the 5th and 9th October.

To answer your request, the listing for the registration number "UC6214811" can be found at the following web site: http://www.snoop4companies.co.uk. It is possible to search by number or name.

I'm sure you will take this matter seriously and await your reply.

Finally, I still await a reply to question 12:

12. Are Acts of Parliament (Statutes) that apply to people in England and Wales, Admiralty Law, or based on international treaty covering international commercial activity on the high seas?

Yours sincerely,

John

Chadwick, Paul, Ministry of Justice

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Kind regards

Paul

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Wesley Hayden left an annotation ()

Very interesting read this! There seems to be a lot of reference to Admiralty laws, the dock in the court being the most obvious I would of thought, as ships dock not humans.

Wesley Hayden left an annotation ()

response overdue!

Chadwick, Paul, Ministry of Justice

Our reference: TO257014 - TO09/5769

Dear Mr Smith

Apologies for the delay in replying to your follow-up email. I have now
completed my follow-up investigation into the "company" registered in
the name of the Ministry of Justice with the registration number
"UC6214811" as referred to in your original correspondence.

Companies House, the body responsible for the examination and storing of
company information in the UK, do not recognise this company or the
registration number.

Having contacted the company behind the "snoop4companies" website, I
understand that they receive their information from a separate website,
www.icc.co.uk. The list of "companies" on ICC's records, include
references to organisations you would expect to find in the local
telephone directory. As in the example you found with the Ministry of
Justice, not all of the organisations found in such a directory could be
described as a company. I asked a representative from ICC where, in the
example of the Ministry of Justice, they got the registration number
from. They responded by saying that they themselves attached the
registration number to the Department and that the prefix "UC" refers to
"unincorporated" (i.e. not a company).

Hopefully this information will give you the assurance you require that
the Ministry of Justice is not a registered company.

In regard to question 12, having spoken with colleagues in the
Department's legal division, I understand that your question raises
complex legal issues, the answer to which will depend on the particular
facts of the case. Our advice is that you contact a solicitor with
expertise in maritime law. I am sorry that I could not be more helpful
in this respect.

Kind regards

Paul

Paul Chadwick
Senior Financial Governance Manager
Investment & Financial Governance
Corporate Finance
Ministry of Justice

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Dear Mr. Chadwick

Thank you for your reply.

With regard to the Ministry of Justice being a company, a similar reply was given to another FOI request by Sussex Police dated 23 July 2009:

http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/di...

In that reply they stated that "Companies House are the definitive register of companies and it is a legal requirement that any company be registered with them. As we are not a company we are not required to register and therefore we have no listing at Companies House" so I will assume that this is correct. However, are Crown Corporations also registered with Companies House, and could it be that the Ministry of Justice is a Crown Corporation, ignoring any upper or lower case spelling? And as Crown Corporations exist, where might I get information about them?

With regard to question 12, I can assure you that this is not in regard to any legal cases. It is simply a wish to know what type of law Parliament may make. My understanding is that Acts of Parliament may only be Statutes, but I would like to know whether this is correct and what type of law they are as outlined in question 12. If you are unable to supply this information, will you please point me to the correct people where I can send this request for information to. It is unlikely that solicitors or barristers will be able to help me as they always hedge their bets and are not the source of the information.

Yours sincerely,

John Smith

Ziaulla, Farah, Ministry of Justice

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Dear Mr Smith

Please find attached a response to your recent enquiries on Parliamentary
jurisdiction.

I hope you find this information useful.

Kind regards

Farah Ziaulla

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Thomas: Speed left an annotation ()

There has been a false claim made by the MOJ here.

"Those born in the UK are subjects of the Crown,"

No one is a SUBJECT of the CROWN by birth, they become SUBJECTS when they are (REGIS)TERED and issued with a CERTIFICATE of BIRTH.

The CROWN has been a CORPORATION for many many years, the CHURCH was the first to become a CORPORATION closely followed by the CROWN. They did this because a CORPORATION retains it's EQUITY even though it's MEMBERS come & go, i.e, die!

A way to keep the 'loot' in the family so to speak, crafty huh! :)

Those born in Britain are BRITISH NATIONALS.

Anyone SUBJECT to another is a SLAVE.

J Wilson left an annotation ()

If John Smith wants to take this further I suggest he asks her to explain why she claimed that:-

"Subject to the need to consider both European and international laws and the importance of principles such as the recognition of individual freedoms, democracy and government accountability, judges must normally apply statutes, even if they are contrary to established common law",

when there is overwhelming evidence on this website that judges ignore human rights and freedoms (even the HRA 1998), as they are largely biased or simply ignorant of them. Can she produce evidence to prove that Courts never issue any judgements against anyone, without a hearing for example?

As I have mentioned elsewhere, it is a fact that the UK has not complied fully with the UN International Covenants on Human Rights, nor does the European Convention comply with them. The UN has told them that repeatedly but we still don't have human rights based laws, so they all ought to be invalid.

Nicholas Taylor left an annotation ()

MoJ claim:

"Those born in the UK are subjects of the Crown"

It would appear the MoJ forget their own Laws!

British Nationality Act 1981 (c. 61)

1. Acquisition by birth or adoption.— (1) A person born in the United Kingdom after commencement [F1, or in a qualifying territory on or after the appointed day,] shall be a British citizen if at the time of the birth his father or mother is—
(a)a British citizen; or
(b)settled in the United Kingdom [F2or that territory].

Liz R (Account suspended) left an annotation ()

Does this mean if a woman born to a Canadian Father, a British Born mother, arrived in UK prior to 1961 is British? As at the moment they trying to charge friends of mine 800 quid plus and bullying them- picking on middle aged women who have lived here all their lives with British born mothers and known no other country nor culture not Canadian passport not lived any other country but UK- some with British roots going back hundreds of years.

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