Mining remediation, Telegraph St, St Day.

Stuart Dann made this Freedom of Information request to Cornwall Council

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Dear Cornwall Council,

Can you provide a copy of the Site Investigation Report (Geology/Mining) relating to the subsidence at Telegraph St, in Q1 2016 [including any appendix information in full]. Also, would you provide copies of the engineers drawings (not just a letter saying "I've seen these and they were fine"), Black and White images will suffice.

NB:- This is for my own understanding of St Day and is not connected with any commercial activity or ulterior motive.

Yours faithfully,

Stuart Dann.

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Dear EGD - Freedom of Information,

I observed the "works" at St Day on a weekly basis (undertaking mining consultancy). I observed firsthand several very significant mining features which to the best of my knowledge were not investigated or fixed properly. These are as follows:-

1. A void under the junction where the sewer was "returned" from it's above ground route. I am aware this concern was raised with the relevant parties and deemed to be significant.

2. The collapse in Telegraph St appears to correspond to an adit shaft (feint) present on the Mining Records Office (MRO) plan number MRO R18 sheet 7, also shown on CMDA-9-4-A2. Both widely used plans by the various mining consultancies. This appears not to have been properly capped, but had concrete thrown in the hole instead. This is what I observed.

3. There was another hole which the contractors exposed whilst undertaking the installation of fencing. I reported this to Cormac and they investigated the wrong fence hole and found "drains" (which appears to be a term used by Cormac Staff when they find things which are problematic). The contractors explained that they encountered a void they "could not see the bottom of".

*---In light of these features, we have to remember a collapse in Telegraph St which was open to considerable depth. This was between the two recorded shafts. What is suggested by the evidence, which presumably would be also duplicated by the Ground Penetrating Radar study which was undertaken of the area (I observed this happening) is that there is a worked out branch of a lode which is unrecorded, but lies between various recorded features. This is a significant observation and one which demands investigation, assessment and remediation. I did not observe anything, apart from the removal of a shallow layer of backfill material, which could not have given tangible evidence of the presence or absence of mine workings. This material was replaced and the road "made pretty" with nice asphalt.

**--- There was additional material associated with mining investigation "that side of the road" which supports the idea that there is a considerable void crossing the junction. As a result, this poses a risk to the public, since it's suggested presence has not been investigated.

I am quite sure that in the time between my weekly observations, no investigative work was undertaken. I am certain that none of those features were excavated and made good. My letter sought to prove otherwise. I take a dim view of the council hiding behind legislation (because that is what you are doing). If this is sensitive commercial information, redact it suitably and then publish it.

Should you not be able to publish this information, I am sure there would be plenty of other people prepared to pursue an answer. After all, it is the job of the council and it's contractors to primarily safeguard the public.

My personal interest is due to the fact that I am writing a book on mining at St Day and this is a point to clarify (after all, the only mining activity in St Day presently is remediation, or in your case, perhaps not).

Yours sincerely,

Stuart Dann BSc (hons) FGS,

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Dear Freedom Of Information Mail,

I quote my email:-

"Cornwall Council have delayed.

They have not replied to your FOI request Mining remediation, Telegraph St, St Day. promptly, as normally required by law."

Anyone would think they did not have the information available, perhaps because it didn't exist in the first place.

I take an exceedingly dim view of this. If we deal with a mining feature on private property, we have to first have very expensive insurance. Then we go through all sorts of searches and investigations, if something is found, we have to design an investigation to safely find out the nature of it, it's shape size and most importantly, the threat it poses to persons and property. Then this information, when it can be deemed sufficient, it passes to an engineer (who has all sorts of hurdles to jump to comply with the insurance companies criteria), the engineer considers the problem and designs a solution. The opening up of the feature is overseen by the relevant staff (scientific and engineers) who then report upon it's suitability and SIGN IT OFF.
Cutting corners is fine if you are too lazy to deal with it and no-one is at risk. You put a fence around it and pretend it's not there.

This is a public road.

I want to see the proof that the authorities have solved this matter and the threat to the public has been removed. Assuming this has been done correctly, or at least some sort of attempt made at having had a go at it.

My personal records of every job I've done and the paperwork are in multiple secure sources.

Is it time for a memory stick to go missing, or another bit of legislation to hide behind, perhaps the dog ate it.

Note well, if you are going to fabricate a report, make sure it matches the photographic record of the site.

Thanks in advance.

S Dann FGS, etc.

Yours sincerely,

Stuart Dann

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