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Dear General Medical Council,

I would like to seek clarity about the GMC's view on medicine courses ( basic sciences part) delivered live but remotely.
I refer you to 'Guidance for advisors assessing PMQs', specifically section 8.15 as below:

If an applicant has undertaken a period of remote, distance or online
learning as part of the study for their PMQ, obtain a letter issued by the
awarding body confirming the start and end dates of the period studied
remotely, the reason for the remote study, and whether the study was
solely theoretical or if it included clinical elements. Periods of remote
study can be accepted if both of the following criteria are met:

a) It was less than six months in duration AND

b) It was outside of the final year of study.’

If one or both criteria are not met, refer to RIT for further advice of evidence.

The University of Edinburgh has a medicine course for health professionals with the first 3 years spent online learning the content. Clearly this is more than the 6 months as per section 8.15 (a)

1) Has anyone from this course registered with the GMC and how many

2) what further evidence(s) were required or could be required by the RIT to allow registration with the GMC for those who studied via this route

3) Kindly forward any email communication or internal memo at the GMC mentioning the online aspect of this medical program and how the GMC plan/planned to assess this

4) If there are graduates from this program. Are there any current discussions from the GMC to review the rigid stand on section 8.15(a) and apply the same fair principle to other medical schools moreso foreign ones.

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Dear Sir/Madam,

Thank you for your email dated 4 January.

So that we can consider your request under the Freedom of Information Act
2000 (FOIA) please provide your true name.  For a request to be valid,
section 8(1)(b) of the FOIA requires that a request for information must
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Yours sincerely

Information Access Team

General Medical Council

3 Hardman Street

Manchester

M3 3AW

From: Munga <[FOI #1221347 email]>
Sent: Saturday, January 4, 2025 9:49 PM
To: FOI <[email address]>
Subject: Freedom of Information request - Medicine course that include
part remote learning

Dear General Medical Council, I would like to seek clarity about the GMC's
view on medicine courses ( basic sciences part) delivered live but
remotely. I refer you to 'Guidance for advisors assessing PMQs',
specifically section 8. 15 as below: 

Dear General Medical Council,

I would like to seek clarity about the GMC's view on medicine courses (  basic sciences part) delivered live but remotely.

  I refer you to 'Guidance for advisors assessing PMQs', specifically section 8.15 as below:

If an applicant has undertaken a period of remote, distance or online

learning as part of the study for their PMQ, obtain a letter issued by the

awarding body confirming the start and end dates of the period studied

remotely, the reason for the remote study, and whether the study was

solely theoretical or if it included clinical elements. Periods of remote

study can be accepted if both of the following criteria are met:

a)         It was less than six months in duration AND

b)         It was outside of the final year of study.’

If one or both criteria are not met, refer to RIT for further advice of evidence.

The University of Edinburgh has a medicine course for health professionals with the first 3 years spent online learning the content. Clearly this is more than the 6 months as per section 8.15 (a)

1)   Has anyone from this course registered with the GMC and how many

2) what further evidence(s) were required or could be required by the RIT to allow registration with the GMC for those who studied via this route

3) Kindly forward any email communication or internal memo at the GMC mentioning the online aspect of this medical program and how the GMC plan/planned to assess this

4) If there are graduates from this program. Are there any current discussions from the GMC to review the rigid stand on section 8.15(a) and apply the same fair principle to other medical schools moreso foreign ones.

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Dear FOI,
I am baffled by the assumption that my African name is not real which has been used as a pretext to decline my FOI request.
I can confirm this is my real name, from a part of Africa with over 1.2 billion people such names are not uncommon.
If you would like to verify i am happy to provide documentary evidence which in my opinion is excessive for a good faith information request i made.
Kindly answer my FOI as per statutory expectations or you can ask for my name evidence

Yours sincerely,

Mr Munga Mungulu

FOI, General Medical Council

Dear Mr Munga Mungulu,

We apologise for the confusion caused by us requesting your “true name”, as the email should have read “full name” but didn’t due to an administration error. Since you have now provided this we will set up your request and provide you with a formal acknowledgement shortly.

Many Thanks,

Information Access Team

General Medical Council

3 Hardman Street

Manchester M3 3AW

From: Munga <[FOI #1221347 email]>
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2025 9:27 PM
To: FOI <[email address]>
Subject: RE: Freedom of Information request - Medicine course that include
part remote learning

Dear FOI, I am baffled by the assumption that my African name is not real
which has been used as a pretext to decline my FOI request. I can confirm
this is my real name, from a part of Africa with over 1. 2 billion people
such names are not uncommon. 

Dear FOI,

I am baffled by the assumption that my African name is not real which has been  used as a pretext to decline my FOI request.

  I can confirm this is my real name, from a part of Africa with over 1.2 billion people such names are not uncommon.

   If you would like to verify i am happy to provide documentary evidence which in my opinion is excessive for a good faith information request i made.

  Kindly answer my FOI as per statutory expectations or you can ask for my name evidence

Yours sincerely,

Mr Munga Mungulu

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FOI, General Medical Council

Dear Mr Munga Mungulu,

Your information request – IR1-4738590623

Thank you for your email dated 8^th January 2025.

How we will consider your request

We are going to consider your request under the Freedom of Information Act
2000 (FOIA). The FOIA gives us 20 working days to respond, but we’ll come
back to you as soon as we can.

Your request will be allocated to a member of the team. If you have any
queries please email [1][GMC request email].

Yours Sincerely,

Alex Mason

Information Access Assistant

General Medical Council

3 Hardman Street

Manchester M3 3AW

Email: [2][email address]

From: Munga <[FOI #1221347 email]>
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2025 9:27 PM
To: FOI <[email address]>
Subject: RE: Freedom of Information request - Medicine course that include
part remote learning

Dear FOI, I am baffled by the assumption that my African name is not real
which has been used as a pretext to decline my FOI request. I can confirm
this is my real name, from a part of Africa with over 1. 2 billion people
such names are not uncommon. 

Dear FOI,

I am baffled by the assumption that my African name is not real which has been  used as a pretext to decline my FOI request.

  I can confirm this is my real name, from a part of Africa with over 1.2 billion people such names are not uncommon.

   If you would like to verify i am happy to provide documentary evidence which in my opinion is excessive for a good faith information request i made.

  Kindly answer my FOI as per statutory expectations or you can ask for my name evidence

Yours sincerely,

Mr Munga Mungulu

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