Dear Dr Marshall
Many thanks for your email and apologies that it has taken some time to
get back to you. It took our admissions team some time to collate all of
the information you required. I hope that it is helpful. 
I attach a spreadsheet with two tabs, one for applications and one for
UCAT. Please note that it is our policy to represent figures under 5 by <5
to avoid inadvertent disclosure of personal information, please treat this
as an exemption under S38 (1)(b) of FOISA. We have given you numbers of
applicants, numbers of places can be found on the Scottish Funding Council
website (link in spreadsheet), please treat this as an exemption under
S25(1). Our A101 course is run jointly with St Andrews and they manage all
admissions, so we do not hold this information (S17 exemption). 
We are not able to give you data for individual applicants as this might
risk disclosing personal information about individuals so please treat
this as an exemption under S38 (1)(b) as above. If you would like any
other high level information please let me know. 
Kind regards
Caroline Brown
FOI Team

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Sent: 02 November 2021 11:41
To: FreedomOfInformation <[email address]>
Subject: Freedom of Information request - Medical School Admission
Statistics
 
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To whom this may concern,

I hope this email finds you well.

My name is Dr Leeron Marshall, I am a practicing clinician in the UK with
a personal and professional interest in medical education. I would like to
make a freedom of information request please.

I request 2 data sets. One for groups of applicants and one anonymised per
individual applicant. I would like all data to please be provided in a
spreadsheet.

1)

Data for groups of applicants

Can I please request the following  statistics on applicants who applied
to study medicine at Dundee, for application cycles relating to the
following years of entry: 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021:

Please split the data in the following groups:

A100

International undergraduate applicants;

International graduate applicants,

Home undergraduate applicants,

Home graduate applicants.

A101

International undergraduate applicants;

International graduate applicants,

Home undergraduate applicants,

Home graduate applicants.

International means considered international for fee purposes. Home
includes all candidates that qualified as home fees. I understand that in
previous years, that includes both UK and EU applicants.

If these exact groups are not available, please provide the  data  in an
equivalent, or similar grouping that you have available. For areas where
the data will not apply, for example undergraduate and GAMSAT score,
please put “NA”.

For each of these 4 groups, and per programme, I would like to know the
following information:

Number of applicants (total)

Number of applicants (with contextual data/factors)

Number of applicants interviewed

Number of offers

Number of places

Number of deferrals

UCAT

For students who received an interview (no contextual data/factors), the:

-Lowest and Highest UCAT score

-Interquartile range of UCAT scores

-Mean UCAT score (ideally with standard deviation and variance)

-Median UCAT score

-Mode UCAT score

For students who received an interview (with contextual data/factors),
the:

-Lowest and Highest UCAT score

-Interquartile range of UCAT scores

-Mean UCAT score (ideally with standard deviation and variance)

-Median UCAT score

-Mode UCAT score

For students who received an offer (no contextual data/factors), the:

-Lowest and Highest UCAT score

-Interquartile range of UCAT scores

-Mean UCAT score (ideally with standard deviation and variance)

-Median UCAT score

-Mode UCAT score

For students who received an offer (with contextual data/factors), the:

-Lowest and Highest UCAT score

-Interquartile range of UCAT scores

-Mean UCAT score (ideally with standard deviation and variance)

-Median UCAT score

-Mode UCAT score

Lowest SJT band to receive an interview (no contextual factors)

Lowest SJT band to receive an interview (contextual factors)

GAMSAT

The following data applied for a) overall score b) section1 score c)
section 2 score c) section 3 score

For students who received an interview (no contextual data/factors), the:

-Lowest and Highest GAMSAT score

-Interquartile range of GAMSAT scores

-Mean GAMSAT score (ideally with standard deviation and variance)

-Median GAMSAT score

-Mode GAMSAT score

For students who received an interview (with contextual data/factors),
the:

-Lowest and Highest GAMSAT score

-Interquartile range of GAMSAT scores

-Mean GAMSAT score (ideally with standard deviation and variance)

-Median GAMSAT score

-Mode GAMSAT score

For students who received an offer (no contextual data/factors), the:

-Lowest and Highest GAMSAT score

-Interquartile range of GAMSAT scores

-Mean GAMSAT score (ideally with standard deviation and variance)

-Median GAMSAT score

-Mode GAMSAT score

For students who received an offer (with contextual data/factors), the:

-Lowest and Highest GAMSAT score

-Interquartile range of GAMSAT scores

-Mean GAMSAT score (ideally with standard deviation and variance)

-Median GAMSAT score

-Mode GAMSAT score

2)

Per Individual applicant data

I would like to know the following information per individual applicant,
in a spreadsheet. One row per applicant.

I understand that at the time of application, the fee status may not
always be clear, and if that is the case, please categorise the applicant
as “unsure” for fee status and provide the rest of their data.

-Candidate number (any unique identifier) - 1 column

-Undergraduate or Graduate applicant  - 1 column

-Course applied for by code (A100, A101 etc)  - 1 column

-UK/home or International applicant (fee status)  - 1 column

-UCAT score (per section & SJT if available, OR overall score)  - 6
columns

-GAMSAT score (per section of the exam & overall if available) -  4
columns

-Curriculum (GCE A-levels, IB, CBSE, APs, SAT subject tests, Canadian
secondary school, other) - 1 column

-Invited for interview - yes or no, 1 column

-Received an offer - yes or no, 1 column

-If yes, what offer was sent? (grades required to achieve), 1 column

-Accepted an offer for application year  - yes or no, 1 column

-Deferred place for the following year - yes or no, 1 column

If Following GCE A-levels, then please provide:

-A Level Grades for each subject (1 column per subject)

-Specify if that grade is predicted or achieved (1 column)

If Following IB, then please provide:

-HL grades per subject (1 column per subject)

-Specify if that grade is predicted or achieved (1 column)

-SL grades per subject (1 column per subject)

-Specify if that grade is predicted or achieved (1 column)

-Overall IB score predicted or achieved

Please provide the equivalent information (predicted or achieved grades)
for students who apply with CBSE curriculum, APs, SAT subject tests and
Canadian secondary school diploma.

If a student applied with a different curriculum, write “NA”.

If the student has completed GCSEs or iGCSEs, please provide:

-Specify if GCSEs or iGCSEs

-Grades achieved for each subject

If a graduate applicant:

-Degree achieved or predicted

-Degree class

-Degree subject

-Masters (yes or no)

-PhD (yes or no)

For areas where the data will not apply, for example undergraduate and
GAMSAT score, please put “NA”.

If information is not available for any given year, please provide
information for years that are available

Thank you for your time and for your help, it is very much appreciated

VBW

Leeron

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Dear Dr Marshall
I am glad that the information was helpful. We spent about a day and a
half on the reply and we didn't answer the whole question partly for data
protection reasons but also because some of the students start in St
Andrews. I should imagine most insitutions would decline to answer the
second part but if they had considered it that would have been a huge
amount of work. For those insitutions with more pathways the workload
would have been greater as well. 
We did think your request was clear but it may be worth bearing in mind
that the systems Universities use to record this kind of data are often
different and data is input in different ways. Extracting information
often requires manipultaion and cross checking rather than just pushing a
button. We found the applications part fairly straightforward but it was
the UCAT part that took the time. There were a total of 448 UCAT data
points that had to be calculated, recorded and then checked. 
I hope that helps and good luck with the research.
Caroline

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From: Dr Leeron Marshall <[FOI #803651 email]>
Sent: 25 November 2021 16:38
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Subject: Re: Freedom of Information request - Medical School Admission
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Dear University of Dundee,

I just wanted to say thank you so much for sending this information! I
really appreciate it and it is very helpful to my research. Most other
universities have declined to do this for me stating that the request was
unclear or that it'd take too much time and there was no legal obligation
for them to participate. Whilst this may be true, its not really 'in the
spirit' of freedom of information, so again I wanted to thank you for
taking the time, it will go a long way in my research and I will certainly
document Dundee as a great participator in this research.

It may help me in my requests with other universities to know how much
time this actually took you and if you think that parts of it could be
clarified?
I did not realise I could not get per applicant data, so I have already
removed that form my research, but for the grouped data it would be
helpful to know.

again thank you. I really appreciate all of your help

Yours faithfully,

Dr Leeron Marshall

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