Magna Carta

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Kittie : Belltree

Dear Pembrokeshire Council,

Please could you provide the source of the statement made in response to a FOI request relating to Council Tax made by David : of the family Phillips. Specifically the statement that the Magna Carta
Does not have force in english law.

Yours faithfully,

Kittie : Belltree

Bennett, Neil, Pembrokeshire Council

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Neil Bennett

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Bennett, Neil, Pembrokeshire Council

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Dim ond y sawl y mae'r ddogfen hon wedi'i chyfeirio atynt ddylai ei darllen, a'i defnyddio ganddynt ar gyfer ei dibenion bwriadedig; ac ni ddylid fel arall ei hatgynhyrchu, copio, lledaenu, datgelu, addasu, dosbarthu, cyhoeddi na'i rhoi ar waith chwaith. Os ydych chi wedi derbyn yr e-bost hwn trwy gamgymeriad, byddwch cystal a rhoi gwybod i ni ar unwaith trwy ffonio 01437 764551 a'i ddileu oddi ar eich cyfrifiadur ar unwaith. Ni ddylid rhoi'r cyfeiriad e-bost i unrhyw drydydd parti na'i ddefnyddio ar gyfer unrhyw ddiben arall chwaith.
Gwefan Cyngor Sir Penfro - http://www.pembrokeshire.gov.uk
Sylwer: Mae negeseuon e-bost sy’n cael eu hanfon a’u derbyn yn cael eu monitro’n rheolaidd ar gyfer cydymffurfio â’n Diogelwch TG, a’n Polisi E-bost/Rhyngrwyd.
Mae'r llofnod hwn hefyd yn cadarnhau bod y neges e-bost hon wedi cael ei harchwilio am fodolaeth firysau cyfrifiadurol a chod maleisus.
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Kittie : Belltree

Dear Bennett, Neil,

Thank you for your reply. Can you please explain Mr Laurence Harding's role within Pembrokeshire Council? What does he support and monitor? What is his job description and salary? What are his qualifications? where did he study and, particularly, where did he gain his definitive knowledge of the Magna Carta?

Yours sincerely,

Kittie : Belltree LL.B

Bennett, Neil, Pembrokeshire Council

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Buck, Tim, Pembrokeshire Council

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Tim Buck

Performance and Freedom of Information Manager

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Dim ond y sawl y mae'r ddogfen hon wedi'i chyfeirio atynt ddylai ei
darllen, a'i defnyddio ganddynt ar gyfer ei dibenion bwriadedig; ac ni
ddylid fel arall ei hatgynhyrchu, copio, lledaenu, datgelu, addasu,
dosbarthu, cyhoeddi na'i rhoi ar waith chwaith. Os ydych chi wedi derbyn
yr e-bost hwn trwy gamgymeriad, byddwch cystal a rhoi gwybod i ni ar
unwaith trwy ffonio 01437 764551 a'i ddileu oddi ar eich cyfrifiadur ar
unwaith. Ni ddylid rhoi'r cyfeiriad e-bost i unrhyw drydydd parti na'i
ddefnyddio ar gyfer unrhyw ddiben arall chwaith.

Gwefan Cyngor Sir Penfro - http://www.pembrokeshire.gov.uk

Sylwer: Mae negeseuon e-bost sy'n cael eu hanfon a'u derbyn yn cael eu
monitro'n rheolaidd ar gyfer cydymffurfio a'n Diogelwch TG, a'n Polisi
E-bost/Rhyngrwyd.

Mae'r llofnod hwn hefyd yn cadarnhau bod y neges e-bost hon wedi cael ei
harchwilio am fodolaeth firysau cyfrifiadurol a chod maleisus.

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Kittie : Belltree

Dear Buck, Tim,

Thank you for your reply. However your reply does not contain the information requested regarding Lawrence Harding's knowledge that the Magna Carta has no force under english law, as stated. His being a 'qualified solicitor' for 36 years does not equal him having the power to overturn the Magna Carta. Please ask Mr Harding to provide the source of this information that the Magna Carta has no force under English law. It is my understanding that it is a constitutional document that cannot be overuled or repealed.

Yours sincerely,

Kittie : Belltree

Buck, Tim, Pembrokeshire Council

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<<2255 Belltree Extra.doc>> Freedom of Information reply

Tim Buck

Performance and Freedom of Information Manager

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Dim ond y sawl y mae'r ddogfen hon wedi'i chyfeirio atynt ddylai ei
darllen, a'i defnyddio ganddynt ar gyfer ei dibenion bwriadedig; ac ni
ddylid fel arall ei hatgynhyrchu, copio, lledaenu, datgelu, addasu,
dosbarthu, cyhoeddi na'i rhoi ar waith chwaith. Os ydych chi wedi derbyn
yr e-bost hwn trwy gamgymeriad, byddwch cystal a rhoi gwybod i ni ar
unwaith trwy ffonio 01437 764551 a'i ddileu oddi ar eich cyfrifiadur ar
unwaith. Ni ddylid rhoi'r cyfeiriad e-bost i unrhyw drydydd parti na'i
ddefnyddio ar gyfer unrhyw ddiben arall chwaith.

Gwefan Cyngor Sir Penfro - http://www.pembrokeshire.gov.uk

Sylwer: Mae negeseuon e-bost sy'n cael eu hanfon a'u derbyn yn cael eu
monitro'n rheolaidd ar gyfer cydymffurfio a'n Diogelwch TG, a'n Polisi
E-bost/Rhyngrwyd.

Mae'r llofnod hwn hefyd yn cadarnhau bod y neges e-bost hon wedi cael ei
harchwilio am fodolaeth firysau cyfrifiadurol a chod maleisus.

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David Grothier left an annotation ()

It really is rather outrageous that these people can make such statements and evasively fail to qualify them even though they have a grossly overpaid person supposedly qualified to answer such questions.

Parliament has,nor indeed never has had, the authority to Repeal the MAGNA CARTA.

The MAGNA CARTA has more significance and importance attached to it than ever Westminster can hope to achieve.

That said it is now increasingly obvious that its in government, and its bureaucracy's interests to deny the rights contained within the MAGNA CARTA to the people.

David Phillips left an annotation ()

What a shock they are trying to dodge bullets again, I mean come on, so when it suits em, the guy who gave them information on the magna carta works for the council, and when it doesn't suit them he doesn't, so that means every FOI could be resolved in the same manner as has been done with this FOI. RUBBISH!

They still need to answer where and how the information can be validated, they havnt answered the FOI, again the council giving the public another 'Top Notch' service.

What a Joke!

David Grothier left an annotation ()

They can only do this because we the public allow them to. If we withdrew our authority they would be left talking to the air, I was going to say birds, but the birds would deserve a better treatment!

David Phillips left an annotation ()

I'm waiting for an internal review on this exact same matter, which is months due now, I guess it just must not be on their priority to answer revealing FOI's. Tough...

Show us your source Council!

David Grothier left an annotation ()

If more people put the effort into confirming the rightful legitimacy of the 1215 Magna Carta and its sovereignty over the British Constitution, then I firmly believe that the whole basis of the present corrupt system of government would come crashing down on those evil people who thrive and prosper under it.

NB:

The Great Charter (Magna Carta - 1215AD)

"neither We, nor our Heirs, shall procure or do anything whereby Liberties contained in this Charter shall be infringed or broken; and if anything be procured by any person contrary to the premises, it shall be had of no force nor effect."

And we will that if any judgments be given from henceforth, contrary to the points of the charters aforesaid by justices or by any other our ministers that hold pleas* before them touching the points of the charters, they shall be undone and holden for naught.

- His Royal Highness, King Edward I, 1297.

"Magna Carta is such a Fellow, that he will have no Sovereign" - Source: Sir Edward Coke on the House of Lords' Amendment to the Petition of Rights in 1628.

Kittie : Belltree left an annotation ()

Been a bit busy recently to follow this up. Thanks all for your comments. I suppose I should not have expected any better from PCC. I am considering an internal revue as I am not at all satisfied with their response. Are they prepared to take responsibility for Lawrence Harding's misleading and anti-constitutional comments??