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Dear Transport for London,

Please supply the source data in a geographic format (e.g. ESRI shapefile) for all London Underground stations, platforms, lines and tracks that form the London Underground, London Overground, Docklands Light Railway and National Rail services where applicable, which is currently accurate and up to date.
This would essentially be the source data used to create the 'London Connections map'.

Yours faithfully,

Matt Hayes

FOI, Transport for London

Dear Mr Hayes

TfL Ref: 0543-1617

Thank you for your email received by Transport for London (TfL) on 7 June 2016. Please accept my apologies for the delay in acknowledging your correspondence.

Your request will be processed in accordance with the requirements of the Freedom of Information Act and TfL’s information access policy.

A response will be provided to you by 5 July 2016. We publish a substantial range of information on our website on subjects including operational performance, contracts, expenditure, journey data, governance and our financial performance. This includes data which is frequently asked for in FOI requests or other public queries. Please check http://www.tfl.gov.uk/corporate/transpar... to see if this helps you.

In the meantime, if you would like to discuss this matter further, please do not hesitate to contact me.

Yours sincerely

Jasmine Howard
FOI Case Officer
FOI Case Management Team
General Counsel
Transport for London

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FOI, Transport for London

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Dear Mr Hayes

 

TfL Ref: 0543-1617

 

Thank you for your email received by us on 7 June 2016 asking for the
source data in a geographic format for all our rail networks that are used
in the London Connections map.

 

Your request has been considered in accordance with the requirements of
the Freedom of Information (FOI) Act and our information access policy. I
can confirm we do hold the information you require.

 

The information you asked for is based on ordnance survey maps that can be
found online using well known internet search tools. These maps will be
the most up to date information available.

 

In accordance with section 21 of the FOI Act, we are not obliged to supply
you with a copy of the requested information as it is already accessible
to you elsewhere.

 

If this is not the information you are looking for, or if you are unable
to access it for some reason, please do not hesitate to contact me.

 

Please see the attached information sheet for details of your right to
appeal as well as information on copyright and what to do if you would
like to re-use any of the information we have disclosed.

 

Yours sincerely

 

 

Jasmine Howard

FOI Case Officer

FOI Case Management Team

General Counsel

Transport for London

 

 

 

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Dear FOI,

As far as I am aware, the data I am requesting is not available in any Ordnance Survey products (specifically the platforms, lines and tracks that form the London Underground).

Please either supply the data as requested, or clarify as to which Ordnance Survey product holds the data for the London Underground.

Yours sincerely,

Matt Hayes

Dear FOI,

Please advise as to the status of this FOI request.

Yours sincerely,

Matt Hayes

FOI, Transport for London

Dear Mr Hayes

 

TfL Ref: 0543-1617

 

Thank you for your further email received by us on 27 July concerning your
Freedom of Information request for geographic raw data of rail maps.
Please accept my apologies for the considerable delay in getting back to
you.

 

Please refer to our website via the following link for geo-coded TfL
managed rail station location data, which you can access for live feeds:

 

[1]https://tfl.gov.uk/info-for/open-data-us...

 

Geographic maps of the National Rail network can be found via the
following link as mentioned on their website at:

 

[2]http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/stations_d...

 

In accordance with section 21 of the FOI Act, we are not obliged to supply
you with a copy of the requested information as it is already accessible
to you elsewhere.

 

If this is not the information you are looking for, or if you are unable
to access it for some reason, please do not hesitate to contact me.

 

Please see the attached information sheet for details of your right to
appeal as well as information on copyright and what to do if you would
like to re-use any of the information we have disclosed.

 

Yours sincerely

 

 

Yours sincerely

 

 

Jasmine Howard

FOI Case Officer

FOI Case Management Team

General Counsel

Transport for London

 

 

 

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Dear FOI,

This has not answered my request.

Allow me to clarify. I would like data (in a geographic format e.g. KML or ESRI shapefile) for the geographic locations of all London Underground Tube stations AND tracks.

I do not want schematic maps, which are what can be found on the Network Rail website (http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/stations_d...). I am looking for the real-world locations of tracks and stations.

This would essentially be the source data used to create the 'London Connections map'. (https://tfl.gov.uk/corporate/publication...)

This data is NOT available through Ordnance Survey, or at any of the links you have provided so far.

Yours sincerely,

Matt Hayes

Dear Transport for London,

Please pass this on to the person who conducts Freedom of Information reviews.

I am writing to request an internal review of Transport for London's handling of my FOI request 'London Underground data'.

My FOI request has been responded to twice, but both times the response was insufficient and inaccurate.
I'm currently waiting for a response to a clarification, which was sent on the 8th of August.

A full history of my FOI request and all correspondence is available on the Internet at this address: https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/l...

Yours faithfully,

Matt Hayes

FOI, Transport for London

Dear Mr Hayes

 

TfL Ref:          IRV-049-1617

 

Thank you for your request for an internal review which was received on 5
September 2016.

 

You have stated that you are dissatisfied with the handling of your
request for information under the Freedom of Information Act and that the
response to your request was incomplete.

 

The review will be conducted by an internal review panel in accordance
with TfL’s Internal Review Procedure, which is available via the following
URL:

 

[1]http://content.tfl.gov.uk/internal-revie...

 

Every effort will be made to provide you with a response by 3 October
2016. However, if the review will not be completed by this date, we will
contact you and notify you of the revised response date as soon as
possible.

 

In the meantime, if you would like to discuss this matter further, please
feel free to contact me.

 

Yours sincerely

 

Gemma Jacob

Information Access Advisor

FOI Case Management Team

General Counsel

Transport for London

 

[2][TfL request email]

 

 

 

 

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Dear FOI,

Please provide an update on the status of this FOI request/internal review.

Yours sincerely,

Matt Hayes

Dear FOI,

A response should have been provided by 3 October 2016. This is now nearly 7 weeks overdue. Please provide an update.

Yours sincerely,

Matt Hayes

FOI, Transport for London

Dear Mr Hayes

Thank you for your e-mail regarding your outstanding internal review request. I apologise for not providing you with an update sooner. We are still carrying out the internal review for this case but hope to be able to provide a response in the next few weeks.

I apologise for any inconvenience caused by the delay.

Yours sincerely

Gemma Jacob
Information Access Advisor
FOI Case Management Team
General Counsel
Transport for London

[TfL request email]

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FOI, Transport for London

Dear Mr Hayes

 

TfL Ref:          IRV-049-1617

 

I am contacting you regarding the internal review of your request for
information about the source data of our rail network maps.

 

This review has been carried out by an independent panel following your
e-mail of 5 September 2016 regarding the response to your request for
information under the Freedom of Information (FOI) Act. The review was
carried out by an independent Review Panel (‘the Panel’) consisting of
individuals who were not involved in the handling of your request. The
panel apologise for the delay in answering your request for internal
review.

 

Your initial request for information asked for the source data in a
geographic format (e.g. ESRI shapefile) for all London Underground
stations, platforms, lines and tracks that form the London Underground,
London Overground, Docklands Light Railway and National Rail services
where applicable, which is currently accurate and up to date. This would
essentially be the source data used to create the 'London Connections
map'.

 

A response was issued to you on 29 June 2016 and stated that the
information requested was based on ordnance survey maps that could be
accessed online. As the information is already accessible elsewhere it was
withheld under section 21 of the FOI Act.

 

The Panel have reviewed the handling of your original request. The panel
have concluded that the exemption was incorrectly applied as whilst
Ordnance Survey (OS) maps are available online:
[1]https://osmaps.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/, we do not hold the information
you have requested.

 

The ‘London Connections’ map is produced by one of our cartographic
agencies. As it is non-geographic, it is doubtful that they would have any
need to consult GIS shape files. These would only be of use in the
production of a geographically accurate product. If the agency did for any
reason have recourse to use GIS files or OS-derived data in this or any
other product, the data would be paid for by the agency in question and it
would be their property. They would then incorporate any required data
into our products along with the products of their other clients outside
TfL. As such, we do not hold any source files for these routes.

 

TfL have a license to use OS data under the public sector mapping
agreement but this does not extend to providing the data to the public
free of charge to the general public. We are under no obligation to
provide source files as long as we make the final product freely
available.

 

I hope this information is of assistance. If you are dissatisfied with the
outcome of this internal review, you can refer the matter to the
independent authority responsible for enforcing the Freedom of Information
Act at the following address:

 

Information Commissioner’s Office

Wycliffe House

Water Lane

Wilmslow

Cheshire SK9 5AF

 

A complaint form is available on the ICO’s website ([2]www.ico.gov.uk).

 

Yours sincerely

 

Gemma Jacob

Information Access Advisor

FOI Case Management Team

General Counsel

Transport for London

 

[3][TfL request email]

 

 

 

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Dear FOI,

Thank you for taking the time to carry out an internal review.

I must say I am still a little confused by your responses. Are you actually saying that Tfl do not hold information on the locations of your Underground tracks and stations? You have no mapped data, co-ordinates or anything like that?

Yours sincerely,

Matt Hayes

FOI, Transport for London

Dear Mr Hayes

 

TfL Ref:          IRV-049-1617

 

Thank you for your further e-mail, apologise for the delay in my response.

 

Your original request asked for the ‘source data used to create the
'London Connections map'’, as stated in our response this map is produced
by one of our cartographic agencies. If the agency did for any reason have
recourse to use GIS files or OS-derived data in this or any other product,
the data would be paid for by the agency in question and it would be their
property. They would then incorporate any required data into our products
along with the products of their other clients outside TfL. As such, we do
not hold any source files for these routes.

 

As previously stated, we have a license to use Ordnance Survey data under
the public sector mapping agreement but this does not extend to providing
the data to the public free of charge to the general public. However there
is information on the locations, including co-ordinates, of our stations
(longitude and latitude) and a detailed track map available online:

 

[1]https://tfl.gov.uk/info-for/open-data-us...

[2]http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/List_...

[3]http://carto.metro.free.fr/cartes/metro-...

[4]https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/1...

 

If you would like to request any further information please let me know.

 

Yours sincerely

 

Gemma Jacob

FOI Case Officer

FOI Case Management Team

General Counsel

Transport for London

 

[5][TfL request email]

 

 

 

 

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Dear FOI,

My original request asked for data in a geographic format that "would essentially be the source data used to create the 'London Connections map'.". I was using the 'London Connections map' purely as an example of the kind of data I was hoping. It did not have to be the exact data used to make that map. However, this is a 'Geographically accurate representation of London Tube and rail lines', as stated in the properties of the PDF itself. But, if you are saying that map was created not by TFL, but by a third party, and you cannot provide that data, then we'll forget about that one.

You did not really provide an answer to the question in my previous message: Are you actually saying that Tfl do not hold information on the locations of your Underground tracks and stations? You have no mapped/GIS data, co-ordinates or anything like that?

Please provide a simple response to this question.

Yours sincerely,

Matt Hayes

FOI, Transport for London

Dear Mr Hayes

Thank you for your further e-mail. I can confirm that we do hold data information on the locations of our tracks and stations.

However, the information you are requesting on the location of our tracks is subject to a statutory exemption to the right of access to information, under Section 38(1)(b) of the Act. In this instance the exemption has been applied as disclosure of the information requested would be likely to adversely affect the safety and security of our employees as well as members of the general public.

Whilst we make no suggestion that you would use this information for anything other than your own personal interests, disclosure of this information to you has to be regarded as a disclosure to ‘the public at large’. This information could potentially be obtained and utilised by individuals who may wish to use this detailed level technical information to cause disruption or harm to our network. Additionally disclosure of information which could compromise security and safety preparedness of London Underground’s infrastructure, would place members of the public and staff at risk by highlighting areas on these networks that could be susceptible to being targeted.

The use of this exemption is subject to an assessment of the public interest in relation to the disclosure of the information concerned. TfL recognises the need for openness and transparency by public authorities, but in this instance the public interest in applying the exemption, in order to minimise risks to operational resilience, safe operation of the London Underground network, the welfare of staff and members of the general public, outweighs the public interest in disclosure.

Information on the open sections is visible in the public domain through publically available mapping and well known web sites, links to some of these sites were provided in my previous correspondence. Additionally, a link has already been provided to information on the longitude and latitude of our London Underground stations.

I hope I have clarified our position regarding this data.

Yours sincerely

Gemma Jacob
Information Access Advisor
FOI Case Management Team
General Counsel
Transport for London

[TfL request email]

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