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Locomotion No. 1

Susan Dunn made this Freedom of Information request to Science Museum Group

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Dear Science Museum Group,

On Thurs 23/1/20 you announced your decision to remove Locomotion No. 1 from Darlington's railway museum and display it in NRM's museum at Shildon.

I would like to know when this was first discussed in your group of museums? When does it date back to? I assume this was in 2019 or else in the few years preceding?

It could have first arisen in a different frame, for example, renegotiating the terms of the loan agreement.

I would like copies of all emails, minutes, briefings, handwritten notes, memos, and reports (feasibility/safety/cost/logistics), on this subject dating between 23/1/20 and the date when it first was discussed. These should show who was involved, when, why, where, and how.

I assume it would be discussed at senior or middle management level or by stand-ins for them, which should narrow your search, but you should also be able to narrow it further to relevant managers by who has responsibility for what.

Please reply on this website.

Thanks

Susan Dunn

SCM Freedom of Information, Science Museum Group

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Kind regards,

 

Freedom of Information Manager:

Science Museum Group SMG

 

 

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SCM Freedom of Information, Science Museum Group

Dear Susan Dunn

FOI/2021/0013

Thank you for your Freedom of Information request received 29 January 2021 in which you requested the following information:

"I would like copies of all emails, minutes, briefings, handwritten notes, memos, and reports (feasibility/safety/cost/logistics), on this subject dating between 23/1/20 and the date when it first was discussed. These should show who was involved, when, why, where, and how."

Having conducted a search of our records we can confirm that we do hold information which falls within the terms of your request. However, we require some additional time to consider the application of a qualified exemption, so that we can properly reflect the balance of public interest and refer the request to appropriate members of the Science Museum Group Executive.

By virtue of section 10(3) of the Freedom of Information Act 2000, where public authorities have to consider the balance of the public interest in relation to a request, it is permitted to take extra time to comply with the request, within reason. Due to the need to consider, in all the circumstances of the case, where the balance of the public interest lies in relation to the information that you have requested, we will not be able to respond to your request in full within 20 working days.

We wish to advise you that the following exemption applies to some of the information you have requested: s.36(2), information which would, or would be likely to, inhibit the free and frank provision of advice or exchange of views for the purposes of deliberation, or would otherwise be likely to prejudice the effective conduct of public affairs.

We are reviewing the available information as quickly as we can and aim to let you have a response no later than 26 March 2021.

If you are dissatisfied with the handling of your request, you have the right to ask for an internal review. Internal review requests should be submitted within two months of the date of receipt of the response to your original letter and should be addressed to: [Science Museum Group request email]

Please remember to quote the reference number FOI/2021/0013 in any future communications about this request to help us respond as quickly as possible to your enquiries.

If you are not content with the outcome of the internal review, you have the right to apply directly to the Information Commissioner for a decision (please be aware that the Commissioner will be unlikely to make a decision until you have been through our internal complaints procedure first). The Information Commissioner can be contacted at: Information Commissioner's Office, Wycliffe House, Water Lane, Wilmslow, Cheshire, SK9 5AF.

Yours sincerely,

FREEDOM OF INFORMATION TEAM
Science Museum Group

This e-mail and attachments are intended for the named addressee only and are confidential. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify the sender immediately, delete the message from your computer system and destroy any copies. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not reflect the views of the Science Museum Group. Please note that any information sent, received or held by Science Museum Group may be disclosed under the Freedom of Information Act 2000.

Dear SCM Freedom of Information,

"We wish to advise you that the following exemption applies to some of the information"

I am confused because if only some it applies to where is the information it does not apply to?

"If you are dissatisfied with the handling of your request, you have the right to ask for an internal review."

I am dissatisfied, what you said makes no sense, I would like a review but I do not see any legal reason to delay so yes I am dissatisfied with your reply so far, it looks like you are obstructing access.

Yours sincerely,

Susan Dunn

SCM Freedom of Information, Science Museum Group

Dear Sir/Madam

Thank you for contacting the Science Museum Group.

Your email has been received by our Freedom of Information team and will
be dealt with as follows:

Freedom of Information Act Requests:
If you have made a request under the Freedom of Information Act 2000 we
will respond promptly and within 20 working days.

Collections Enquiries:
If you have made an enquiry relating to an object in our collections, we
will endeavour to respond promptly and within 20 working days.

Offers of Objects: 

If you have written to offer an object, please redirect your email to one
of the following addresses as appropriate: 

o Science Museum – [1][email address]  
o National Railway Museum – [2][email address]  
o National Science and Media Museum
– [3][email address
o Science and Industry Museum
– [4][email address]  

Thank you for your interest in the Science Museum Group.

Kind regards

FREEDOM OF INFORMATION TEAM
SCIENCE MUSEUM GROUP

This e-mail and attachments are intended for the named addressee only and
are confidential. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify
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individual sender and may not reflect the views of the Science Museum
Group. Please note that any information sent, received or held by Science
Museum Group may be disclosed under the Freedom of Information Act 2000.

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Dear Science Museum Group,

Please could you upload the information used by whoever made this determination

Please include proof of when it was done and the procedure and what they did

For the avoidance of doubt, I would like originals not scans of printed sheets (if unable to upload originals then please upload screenshots of all the date created/modified views of the originals)

If partly or completely a verbal determination please upload a copy of everything you already have on record to satisfy the ICO's standard requirements for that

Yours faithfully,

Susan Dunn

Dear Science Museum Group,

Quoting from https://ico.org.uk/for-organisations/gui... under "How much extra time can we have to consider the public interest test?" I quote "You should release any information that is not covered by an exemption within the standard time." If you read that the Information Commissioner says 'standard time' refers to the first 20 working days not the extension which is only for a 'public interest test' on some of the information as per your letter.

Are you sure your response is valid by law?

Yours faithfully,

Susan Dunn

Dear Science Museum Group,

ICO have advised me you should have disclosed without extension the information not referred for this 'public interest test' so you are not permitted by the law to extend the date for the request in toto.

Please be advised therefore, I will be recording a formal complaint at the ICO.

Yours faithfully,

Susan Dunn

SCM Freedom of Information, Science Museum Group

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Dear Susan Dunn,

FOI/2021/0013

Thank you for your Freedom of Information request received 20 January 2021:
I would like copies of all emails, minutes, briefings, handwritten notes, memos, and reports (feasibility/safety/cost/logistics), on this subject [the transfer to Locomotion No, 1] dating between 23/1/20 and the date when it first was discussed. These should show who was involved, when, why, where, and how.

In response to your request, please find attached copies of relevant briefing notes, meeting notes, correspondence, and a rebuttals document.

Please note that some information has been redacted or withheld from our response in accordance with the following exemptions under the Freedom of Information Act:
-S.36: prejudice to the effective conduct of public affairs;
-s.40: personal data;
-s.42: legal professional privilege; and
-s.43(2): prejudice to commercial interests.

Thank you for your patience as we evaluated the balance of public interest in exempting information from these bundles while dealing with an unprecedented volume of requests. As you will see from the documents we have supplied, the information which was being considered for exemption under s.36(2) is found throughout these bundles, and it was therefore not possible to extract the non-exempt information to provide an earlier response.

If you are dissatisfied with the handling of your request, you have the right to ask for an internal review. Internal review requests should be submitted within two months of the date of receipt of the response to your original letter and should be addressed to: [Science Museum Group request email]

Please remember to quote the reference number FOI/2021/0013 in any future communications about this request to help us respond as quickly as possible to your enquiries.

If you are not content with the outcome of the internal review, you have the right to apply directly to the Information Commissioner for a decision (please be aware that the Commissioner will be unlikely to make a decision until you have been through our internal complaints procedure first). The Information Commissioner can be contacted at: Information Commissioner's Office, Wycliffe House, Water Lane, Wilmslow, Cheshire, SK9 5AF.

Yours sincerely,

FREEDOM OF INFORMATION TEAM
Science Museum Group

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