Dear North Yorkshire County Council,

Please may I request the following information:

OLDER PEOPLE

1. 1.How many older people need residential care homes within your Local Authority?

2. How many older people need assisted living within your Local Authority?

3. How many older people need supported living within the Local Authority?

4. What percentage of those living in elderly residential care homes/assisted living/supported living do you place within the Local Authority area?

5. What percentage of those living in elderly residential care homes/assisted living/supported living do you place outside the Local Authority area?

6. Would it be right to say that it is the council’s preference to place older people within the borough?

7. Would it be right to say that the existing provisions are adequate for the needs of the older people within the borough?

8. In respect of older people, how many of the placements are within private provisions?

9. In respect of older people, how many of the placements are within the council’s own provisions?

ADULTS WITH DISABILITIES

1. 1.How many adults with learning disabilities need residential care homes within your Local Authority?

2. How many adults with learning disabilities need assisted living within your Local Authority?

3. How many adults with learning disabilities need supported living within the Local Authority?

4. What percentage of those living in adults with learning disabilities residential care homes/assisted living/supported living do you place within the Local Authority area?

5. What percentage of those living in adults with learning disabilities residential care homes/assisted living/supported living do you place outside the Local Authority area?

6. Would it be right to say that it is the council’s preference to place adults with learning disabilties within the borough?

7. Would it be right to say that the existing provisions are adequate for the needs of the adult with learning disabilities within the borough?

8. In respect of adults with learning disabilities, how many of the placements are within private provisions?

9. In respect of adults with learning disabilities, how many of the placements are within the council’s own provisions?

What we mean by residential care home, assisted living, or supported living is the following:
Residential Care Home
Assisted Living - 24 hour supported living (small group living together with 24 hour
support)
Supported Living - Individuals living individually but in a block of apartments, where
there is support available within the block either 24 hours a day, or
during the day (but not overnight)

HOMELESS

1. Would it be right to say that it is the council’s preference to place homeless within the borough?

2. Would it be right to say that the existing provisions are adequate for the needs of the homeless within the borough?

3. In respect of the homeless, how many of the placements are within private provisions?

4. In respect of the homeless, how many of the placements are within the council’s own provisions?

We would require the most up to date statistics of homelessness in your area that fits your criteria for those to be temporarily rehoused for example:
having no accommodation at all
having accommodation that is not reasonable to live in, even in the short-term (eg because of violence or health reasons)
Those who are unintentionally homeless.

Yours faithfully,

Everton Wynter

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Tracey Watkinson, North Yorkshire County Council

Dear Everton Wynter

 

 

Thank you for your email of 25 August 2017 requesting information about
older people and adults with disabilities. 

 

From our preliminary assessment, it is clear that we will not be able to
answer your request fully without further clarification. 

 

In order to respond please clarify are you asking for an estimate as to
the level of need in the population or do you wish to receive figures as
to the number of people we currently have placed in each type care
provision.  In particular, it would be useful to know the time period you
wish to receive.

 

Once you have clarified this information, I will be able to continue
processing your request. Under section 1(3) of the Freedom of Information
Act (FOIA), a public authority need not comply with a request unless any
further information reasonably required to locate the information is
supplied. If you do not provide the requested clarification, we will only
be able to provide the remainder of the information you have requested/be
unable to respond to your request [delete as appropriate].

 

Please remember to quote the reference number above in any future
communications N2892

 

Kind regards

Tracey Watkinson

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Dear Tracey Watkinson,

Please provide information for September 2016 - September 2017

Yours sincerely,

Everton Wynter

Tracey Watkinson, North Yorkshire County Council

Sent on behalf of Sheila Hall Head of Engagement & Governance

 

Dear Everton Wynter

 

Further to your Freedom of Information request please find below our
response to your questions:

 

OLDER PEOPLE

 

1.      how many older people need residential care homes within your
Local Authority?

 

2847 this includes all OP known to the Local Authority.

 

2.      How many older people need assisted living within your Local
Authority?

 

We do not record extra care as a service so can not provide the data. 
Within North Yorkshire there are currently 22 extra care schemes which
provide 1111 units of accommodation.  These schemes have been developed in
conjunction with providers and meet our strategic requirements. 

 

3.      How many older people need supported living within the Local
Authority?

65 this includes all OP known to the Local Authority

 

4.      What percentage of those living in elderly residential care
homes/assisted living/supported living do you place within the Local
Authority area?

88.9%

 

5.      What percentage of those living in elderly residential care
homes/assisted living/supported living do you place outside the Local
Authority area?

11.1%

 

6.      Would it be right to say that it is the council’s preference to
place older people within the borough?

Yes

 

7.      Would it be right to say that the existing provisions are adequate
for the needs of the older people within the borough?

 

There is a shortage of residential and nursing care for people with
dementia. There is a programme of development for extra care schemes
which, when complete, will offer an increased number of units.

 

8.      In respect of older people, how many of the placements are within
private provisions?

2654 – 21 people have received both a service within a private provision
and a LA provision, this is why these figures don’t add together

 

9.      In respect of older people, how many of the placements are within
the council’s own provisions?

214

 

ADULTS WITH DISABILITIES

 

1.      How many adults with learning disabilities need residential care
homes within your Local Authority?

227

 

2.      How many adults with learning disabilities need assisted living
within your Local Authority?

Same as Q2 for OP

 

3.      How many adults with learning disabilities need supported living
within the Local Authority?

308

 

4.      What percentage of those living in adults with learning
disabilities residential care homes/assisted living/supported living do
you place within the Local Authority area?

85.79%

 

5.      What percentage of those living in adults with learning
disabilities residential care homes/assisted living/supported living do
you place outside the Local Authority area?

14.21%

 

6.      Would it be right to say that it is the council’s preference to
place adults with learning disabilties within the borough?

Yes

 

7.      Would it be right to say that the existing provisions are adequate
for the needs of the adult with learning disabilities within the borough?

Yes

 

8.      In respect of adults with learning disabilities, how many of the
placements are within private provisions?

227

 

9.      In respect of adults with learning disabilities, how many of the
placements are within the council’s own provisions?

0

 

What we mean by residential care home, assisted living, or supported
living is the following:

 

Residential Care Home Assisted Living  -  24 hour supported living (small
group living together with 24 hour support) Supported Living - 
Individuals living individually but in a block of apartments, where there
is support available within the block either 24 hours a day, or during the
day (but not overnight)

 

HOMELESS

 

1.      Would it be right to say that it is the council’s preference to
place homeless within the borough?

 

We do not hold this information please contact the District Councils.

 

2.      Would it be right to say that the existing provisions are adequate
for the needs of the homeless within the borough?

 

We do not hold this information please contact the Borough/District
Councils.

 

3.      In respect of the homeless, how many of the placements are within
private provisions?

 

We do not hold this information please contact the Borough/District
Councils.

 

4.      In respect of the homeless, how many of the placements are within
the council’s own provisions?

 

We do not hold this information please contact the Borough/District
Councils.

 

We would require the most up to date statistics of homelessness in your
area that fits your criteria for those to be temporarily rehoused for
example: having no accommodation at all having accommodation that is not
reasonable to live in, even in the short-term (eg because of violence or
health reasons) Those who are unintentionally homeless.

 

 

Yours sincerely

 

Sheila Hall Head of Engagement & Governance

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Tracey Watkinson,

Processes within the commissioning team:
1. Can you explain your commissioning process for private residential adult with learning disabilities care providers?
2. Do you operate an approved provider’s list of private residential care providers?
3. If so, how many providers are currently on this list?
4. Is the list closed, and if yes for how long?
5. Do you operate competitive tendering when introducing new organisations in the council’s procurement?
6. How can a private residential care home provider approach the council when wishing to introduce their service?
7. Who should be approached within the council to discuss referrals, rates, and commissioning?
8. Once a service is established how is this service promoted in the council?

Current services in place:

9. How many Adults with learning difficulties care homes does the council operate?
10. How many Adults with learning difficulties are placed in care homes that you operate?
11. How many Adults with learning difficulties are placed with private residential care providers?
12. What is the average weekly cost of placing an adult with learning disabilities in a care home you operate?
13. What is the average weekly cost of placing an adult with learning disabilities in a private care home including lowest and highest amount based on their needs?
14. What is the average size of the care homes you place adults with learning disabilities in (i.e. how many adults can they accommodate)?
15. What is the average distance adults with learning disabilities are a placed from their home?
16. Do you make more referrals to short stay residential placements or long-term residential placements for adults with learning disabilities?
17. When an adult with learning disabilities is referred do we have a contract for a set period of time?
18. How much do you charge private care homes per adult with learning disabilities for emergency referrals (maximum and minimum prices) and how much notice is the home given before an adult is placed?
19. Is there more of a need for more short-term placements or long-term placements for adults with learning disabilities?
20. What is the process for local authorities when making a referral to a private care home?
21. Do local authorities negotiate or have set rate or prices based on an adult's with learning disabilities needs?
22. Do rates vary depending on need/ behavioural problems?
23. Once established as a provider how will the organisation be promoted within the council?
24 What are the areas that local authorities feel need more service provision in?
25. What other services in the council refer adults with learning disabilities to homes?
26. How long do adults with learning disabilities stay in emergency short stay placements on average?

Yours sincerely,

Everton Wynter

Infogov - Veritau, North Yorkshire County Council

Dear Everton Wynter,

 

Thank you for your email, this will be treated as a new Freedom of
Information request under the reference N3108.  A response will be sent to
you as soon as possible, and within 20 working days as required by the
Act.

For any other enquiry the Council will contact you again shortly.

Kind Regards,

 

James Sheard

Trainee Information Governance Officer

 

 

Tracey Watkinson, North Yorkshire County Council

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Sent on behalf of Sheila Hall Head of Engagement & Governance

 

Dear Everton Wynter

 

Further to your Freedom of Information request please find below our
response to your questions:

 

1. Can you explain your commissioning process for private residential
adult with learning disabilities care providers?

 

Following completion of an assessment by the Care and Support Team, the
key worker will work with Brokerage taking into account the views of the
person and family/carer to identify an appropriate provider and support
package (This may be residential, supported Living, shared lives,
community support or day provision as required).  Usually existing
vacancies are explored and matching undertaken as appropriate.  Where no
suitable provision is identified, the brokerage team and key worker would
work with locality based providers to source a new and appropriate service
for the person.

 

2. Do you operate an approved provider’s list of private residential care
providers?

Yes

 

3. If so, how many providers are currently on this list?

426 Care Homes

 

4. Is the list closed, and if yes for how long?

NYCC’s Approved Provider List for Care Homes and Care Homes with Nursing
is open

 

5. Do you operate competitive tendering when introducing new organisations
in the council’s procurement?

The Approved Provider List, and any other tender opportunities with North
Yorkshire County Council (NYCC), are published on the Yortender portal
([1]https://procontract.due-north.com/).

 

6. How can a private residential care home provider approach the council
when wishing to introduce their service?

Existing providers in county can contact their local Quality & Monitoring
Officer or Commissioning Manager, any new or out of county services can
contact the Customer Services Centre ([2][email address])

 

7. Who should be approached within the council to discuss referrals,
rates, and
commissioning?                                                                                                                                                      

Once a provider is accepted on to our Approved Provider List, referrals
would be made via our Brokerage Teams
([3][email address],
[4][email address],
[5][email address]).  In terms of rates for new
individual packages, these would also be dealt with Brokerage, however
inflationary increases are dealt with via the Quality & Monitoring Team
([6][email address]).  Brokerage
commission packages from existing providers, however if a provider was
looking to work with NYCC and wanted to discuss commissioning this would
be dealt with by the Commissioning Team
([7][email address])

 

8. Once a service is established how is this service promoted in the
council?

The Approved Provider List is accessible by Brokerage staff who are
responsible for looking for placements

 

Current services in place:

 

9. How many Adults with learning difficulties care homes does the council
operate?

Five

 

10. How many Adults with learning difficulties are placed in care homes
that you operate?

5

 

11. How many Adults with learning difficulties are placed with private
residential care providers?

270

 

12. What is the average weekly cost of placing an adult with learning
disabilities in a care home you operate?

£1,502 this is average the LA would charge to place an adult with LD in
one of our in-house care homes.

 

 

13. What is the average weekly cost of placing an adult with learning
disabilities in a private care home including lowest and highest amount
based on their needs?

 

Highest - £3,903

Lowest - £374

 

 

14. What is the average size of the care homes you place adults with
learning disabilities in (i.e. how many adults can they accommodate)?

10

 

15. What is the average distance adults with learning disabilities are a
placed from their home? 32 miles is the average distance

 

16. Do you make more referrals to short stay residential placements or
long-term residential placements for adults with learning disabilities?

Yes

 

17. When an adult with learning disabilities is referred do we have a
contract for a set period of time?

Only if the service is intended to be for a specific period of time.

 

18. How much do you charge private care homes per adult with learning
disabilities for emergency referrals (maximum and minimum prices) and how
much notice is the home given before an adult is placed?

Rates would be dealt with on a case by case basis.  The amount of notice a
provider would be given would depend on the circumstances of the
individual needing to be placed.

 

19. Is there more of a need for more short-term placements or long-term
placements for adults with learning disabilities?

 

The Council currently purchases both short term and permanent placements
for adults with learning disabilities.  There is variable capacity for
both of these services around the county.  We hold information around the
numbers currently placed together with the type of service, but this is
not currently recorded in terms of need for short term and long term
placements.  The Council is currently collating data related to Learning
disabilities, with a view to creating a locality based needs assessment. 
It is anticipated that this shall be completed by the end of this calendar
year and as soon as this is available it shall be shared publicly.

 

[8]www.nypartnerships.org.uk/adults

 

20. What is the process for local authorities when making a referral to a
private care home?

See attached Service Specification

 

21. Do local authorities negotiate or have set rate or prices based on an
adult's with learning disabilities needs?

Rates are negotiated on a case by case basis

 

22. Do rates vary depending on need/ behavioural problems?

Yes

 

23. Once established as a provider how will the organisation be promoted
within the council?

See Q8.

 

24 What are the areas that local authorities feel need more service
provision in?

Not Applicable

 

25. What other services in the council refer adults with learning
disabilities to homes?

The teams which work to refer people into services are the Health and
Adult Services Care and Support Teams together with the Brokerage Teams
and Commissioning.  Additional referrals may be made by the Preparing for
Adulthood (transitions) teams, but this should also be linked into Care
and Support and Brokerage. 

 

26. How long do adults with learning disabilities stay in emergency short
stay placements on average?

 

We do not record in an easily extractable format if a placement was made
in an emergency

 

I can confirm that we do hold this information but unfortunately it is not
in an easily retrievable format nor is there an automated mechanism that
would allow us to easily collate the requested data.  In 2016/17 there
were 1968 services and to answer this question each one would need
individually checking to confirm if the placement was made in an
emergency.

 

The large amount of work involved would bring the cost of answering the
request over the amount to which we are legally required to respond, ie
the cost of locating and retrieving the information exceeds the
'appropriate limit' as stated in the Freedom Of Information (Fees and
Appropriate Limit) Regulations 2004.  I enclose a copy of our charging
regime, and our appeals process.

 

 

Yours sincerely

 

Sheila Hall Head of Engagement & Governance

 

 

 

 

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