Listed Building Status 270-276 Huntingdon Street, Nottingham NG1 3NA

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Dear Historic Buildings and Monuments Commission for England,

Under the Freedom of Information Act please supply to me all information you hold, including, but not exclusive to all correspondence, all reports, all visits, all sources of information,, all pictures, all images, all emails, all consultations and the name of the individual or individuals who requested the listing for List Entry Number: 1466428 relating to the former bus garage, 270-276 Huntingdon Street, Nottingham NG1 3NA.

Yours faithfully,

Simon Barton

FOI, Historic Buildings and Monuments Commission for England

Our Reference:19/00912

 

Dear Mr Barton,

 

Re: Information Request – Former Bus Garage, 270-276 Huntingdon Street,
Nottingham

 

Thank you for your email on 21 August in which you requested the following
information:

'Please supply to me all information you hold, including, but not
exclusive to all correspondence, all reports, all visits, all sources of
information,, all pictures, all images, all emails, all consultations and
the name of the individual or individuals who requested the listing for
List Entry Number:  1466428 relating to the former bus garage, 270-276
Huntingdon Street, Nottingham NG1 3NA'.

 

Your request will be considered under the Freedom of Information Act
(2000)/ the Environmental Information Regulations (2004).  We will be
writing to you within the statutory 20 working day timeframe with a
response to your request.  You will be informed if this is not possible.

 

Yours sincerely, 

 

Information Rights Team

 

Historic England

The Engine House

Swindon

SN2 2EH

 

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Dear Mr Burton,

I am writing in connection with your recent request for all the
information we hold relating to the Listing application for the Former Bus
Garage, 270-276 Huntingdon Street, Nottingham, including, but not
exclusive to all correspondence, all reports, all visits, all sources of
information, all pictures, all images, all emails, all consultations and
the name of the individual or individuals who requested the listing.

While I can confirm that Historic England holds information that falls
within the scope of your request it has unfortunately become apparent that
I will not be able to provide you with a response by the current deadline,
which is 19^th September.

Your request is being considered under the Environmental Information
Regulations 2004 (‘the EIR’) and regulation 7(1) of the EIR allows
organisations to extend the deadline for replying to complex/voluminous
requests by an additional 20 working days.  I am currently in the process
of considering the information held by Historic England which is
potentially relevant to your request and owing to the complexity of the
information and the need to consult externally, I estimate that I need to
extend the deadline by 4 weeks, to 17^th October.

I am sorry for any inconvenience that this may cause you. I will, of
course, respond sooner if I am able to do so.

Yours sincerely,

Lucy Parry

Information Rights Officer (Weds, Thur, Fri)

Information Management and Technology Department

The Engine House, Room 2/02, Swindon, SN2 2EH

Tel: 01793 414445

 

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Dear Parry, Lucy,

Dear Ms Parry,

Thank you for your email.

We too are sorry for the inconvenience that may be caused to us and others. We believe we are entitled to this information by law, promptly and by the 19th September 2019 at the latest, which has now passed.

We also express some surprise that there is claimed to be complexity and or volume to the information requested.

We look forward to receiving all the information at the earliest opportunity as you have offered.

To limit the inconvenience to all parties now concerned in this matter, may we please now have the answer to these two simple questions (or if needs be an explanation of why we cannot learn the answer to one or either question).

These questions are:

Who wrote the assessment that Dr Caroline Skinner agrees to? Supplementary to that question, when was that assessment provided to Historic England?

And:

Who applied for the building to be listed, and supplementary to that question, when was the application for listing made?

As we see you are at work on Wednesdays, Thursdays and Fridays, we hope to receive your answers to these simple questions today, Friday 20th September 2019

Yours,

Simon Barton

Yours sincerely,

Simon Barton

FOI, Historic Buildings and Monuments Commission for England

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Our Reference: 19/00912

 

Dear Mr Barton,

 

Re: Information Request  - the Former Bus Garage, 270-276 Huntingdon
Street, Nottingham

 

Thank you for your reply in which you asked:

 

o Who wrote the assessment that Dr Caroline Skinner agrees to?
o When was that assessment provided to Historic England?
o Who applied for the building to be listed?
o When was the application for listing made?

 

The assessment was based on the collective advice of Historic England, but
the report itself was written by Listing Adviser Bob Hawkins. Because the
assessment is a corporate creation by Historic England it wasn’t ‘provided
to us’ but the date Bob completed his advice was 14 August 2019.

 

The Listing applicant in this instance is a private individual and
therefore this information is exempt from disclosure under Regulation
12(3) of the Environmental Information Regulations (EIR).  This is because
it is third party personal data and its disclosure would breach one or
more of the data protection principles in data protection legislation.
However, the date the application for Listing was submitted was 1^st
August 2019.

 

I hope the information I have provided is of use to you and I will
continue to compile the information you asked for in your earlier request.
Details of our review procedure are attached.

 

Yours sincerely, 

 

Lucy

 

Lucy Parry

Information Rights Officer (Weds, Thur, Fri)

Information Management and Technology Department

The Engine House, Room 2/02, Swindon, SN2 2EH

Tel: 01793 414445

 

 

 

Dear FOI,
Dear Ms Parry,

I was very grateful for your sending the reply to my simple questions last week, which was certainly of use to me in the interim, whilst we await the information we have asked for in my earlier request.

Yours sincerely,

Simon

Simon Barton

Dear FOI

Dear Lucy

Thank you again for your email last Friday and the information therein.

There is a sad irony to my position, and no doubt to others who may have experienced similar circumstances.

Owners of newly listed buildings are legally allowed a short (28 Day) opportunity to ask for a review of a new listing, unless there are exceptional circumstances, which would allow the review period to be extended.

The longer it takes to receive background information, in this case from you for Historic England, the more inconvenient a situation can become for all concerned.

Would I be correct in assuming that with now another week having passed, beyond what had originally been the legal deadline, there will be further information you can today release to me, even if it not yet the full information I am entitled to?

If so I am obviously very eager to see it.

For your information, I was provided FOI information by Nottingham City Council on the same topic last week within their deadline, hence my being excited to see Historic England's information, or at least some more of it, so I can make proper progress formulating a well informed response.

I look forward to hearing from you

Yours sincerely,

Simon

Simon Barton

Parry, Lucy, Historic Buildings and Monuments Commission for England

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Our Reference: 19/00912

 

Re: Information Request – Former Bus Garage, 270 – 276 Huntingdon Street
Nottingham.

 

Dear Mr Barton,

 

I am writing to you regarding 270 – 276 Huntingdon Street Nottingham. You
contacted us on ^ 21^st August and requested a copy of all the information
we hold relating to the Listing application for the Former Bus Garage,
270-276 Huntingdon Street, Nottingham, including, but not exclusive to all
correspondence, all reports, all visits, all sources of information, all
pictures, all images, all emails, all consultations and the name of the
individual or individuals who requested the listing. Your request has been
processed under the Environmental Information Regulations 2004 (EIR) ^

 

Having looked into your request I can confirm that Historic England holds
information that falls within its scope. Please find attached a copy of
all information associated with this Listing.

 

I should also make you aware that some information has been removed under
the following exemption:

Regulation 12(3)- Third party personal data, the disclosure of which would
breach one or more of the data protection principles in the data
protection legislation. This includes the names of private individuals,
such as the applicant who requested the Listing.

 

I hope the information I have been able to provide is useful to you.
Details of our review procedure are attached.

 

Kind regards,

 

Lucy

 

Lucy Parry

Information Rights Officer

Information Management and Technology Department

The Engine House, Room 2/07, Swindon, SN2 2EH

 

 

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Dear Parry, Lucy,

Dear Lucy

This information is fantastically helpful, thank you.

I also note and much appreciate your sending it through before the extended deadline.

I'll have a further trawl through the information - complex and voluminous it turns out to be indeed (!) - before expecting to acknowledge receipt of all the information we are entitled to.

I'll come back just as soon as I can, but just want to ensure for myself there's nothing further that might be available.

Yours

Simon

Yours sincerely,

Simon Barton

Dear Parry, Lucy,

Just a note to sign off this information as having been partially received, although with my thanks.

To explain further, the same broad questions were asked under FOI of Nottingham City Council and Historic England on this topic, the Listed Building Status of 270 - 276 Huntingdon Street Nottingham NG1 3NA

There has been thrown up some questions of inconsistency between HE information which has been voluminous and very helpful, and that information provided on a twin FOI approach to Nottingham City Council - which has been harder to follow even alongside the Historic England information because of numerous redactions and potential omissions in the NCC response.

Reading one response simultaneously with the other suggests further information could be available from either or both authorities once it is identified and requested specifically.

For the sake of clarity and ease of comprehension , I therefore both intend and reserve the right to return with further but new FOI requests on the details that appear inconsistent as they continue to emerge, and as investigations to this matter continue.

Although a bit complicated, I hope that makes sense - I'm basically saying thanks for the information which is sincerely appreciated, although it may be I have to come back to you later

Yours sincerely,

Simon Barton

Dear Parry, Lucy,

I hope you are well.

Thank you for providing the information in relation to this FOI request 'Listed Building Status 270-276 Huntingdon Street, Nottingham NG1 3NA'

Please provide for me the same information I requested in the format of the original emails.

I look forward to hearing from you

Yours sincerely, and with thanks in anticipation

Simon Barton

FOI, Historic Buildings and Monuments Commission for England

Our Reference:19/01254

Dear Mr Barton,

Re: Information Request –Former Bus Garage, 270 – 276 Huntingdon Street Nottingham

Thank you for your email on 8th July in which you requested:

‘the same information I requested in the format of the original emails.’

I’ve looked at your request from August last year, and to recap, you asked for:
‘all the information we hold relating to the Listing application for the Former Bus Garage, 270-276 Huntingdon Street, Nottingham, including, but not exclusive to all correspondence, all reports, all visits, all sources of information, all pictures, all images, all emails, all consultations and the name of the individual or individuals who requested the listing.’
To clarify, do you want me to resend the same information I released during our original correspondence?
Or are you asking for the email documents I sent to you in an alternative format? On checking my records, I can see that in response to your request in August 2019 I sent you the 36 emails we held on file related to this site (as well as 17 other documents that were not email correspondence).
If you could let me know what information you need, I would be happy to look into your request.
Please note that, in accordance with government advice during the Covid- 19 pandemic the offices of Historic England are currently closed.

Please be aware that staff working remotely currently have limited access to the electronic resources and paper records and may not be able to retrieve this information at this time.

Kind regards,
Lucy

Lucy Parry
Information Rights Officer
Information Management and Technology Department
The Engine House, Room 2/02, Swindon, SN2 2EH
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Dear Parry, Lucy,

Thank you for your very prompt reply

I’ll use email 4 of 13/08/19 to try to explain

The layout seems to be created by subtraction from an email exchange, where the sentences in an email are cut and pasted, but redactions are omitted

Email 4 inexplicably appears to be not only from Gaynor Roberts, but to Gaynor Roberts at 16.35.54 on 13.8.19

This even though the two emails we can see in this form, seem to be 30 minutes apart (1.8.19 at 15.48, long reply at 16.23)

It is a chatty email from a person at HE that I would be forgiven for suspecting knows the recipient.

It looks to me that there is a big chunk of the email simply missing on the first page where I could conclude redactions have been made as the email contains personal information.

However, as this appears to be a cut and paste with the appearance of being an email, I do not have any clue how much information has been removed, nor if information that should have been included for me has been removed.

I don’t think I can send you an example through this site, but if needs be later today I’’ll give you an example where HE seem to have answered a FOI request by taking an email string, redacting what HE are entitled to, printing off the string or sending the requester a PDF of the string.

That is what I’d like, please.

May I suggest you apply the criteria above to email 4 alone to start with and I’ll let you know if that is correct - you’d end up with logos and disclaimers etc but I’d be very happy with that format.

Many thanks,

Simon

Yours sincerely,

Simon Barton

Parry, Lucy, Historic Buildings and Monuments Commission for England

Our Reference: 19/01254

Re: Information Request – Former Bus Garage, 270 – 276 Huntingdon Street, Nottingham.

Dear Mr Barton,

Thank you for emailing to clarify your request.

When I collated the emails in order to process your original request, there was a lot of duplicated text caused by people replying individually to the same email. In order to make this more concise and less laborious for anybody having to read it, I retained the original body of the email, removed any duplicate text and ordered the responses on one page.

I can, of course, provide you with the emails in their full original format. However, I wanted to make you aware that the information they contain will effectively be the same as you have already received. The redacted information will also remain unchanged as it served to protect the identity of private individuals.

Please let me know how you would like to proceed.

Kind regards,

Lucy Parry
Information Rights Officer
Information Management and Technology Department
The Engine House, Room 2/02, Swindon, SN2 2EH
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Dear Lucy,

Thank you for coming back to me.

I would like to have the "raw" versions, but thank you for your consideration in having tried to make them more accessible formerly.

I understand redactions will exist where the law requires it, but please otherwise leave everything in that can be left in, including duplicated text, which won't be a problem to me.

Hopefully as this will be a matter of redacting what is required to be redacted, but leaving absolutely everything else in, it won't be too complicated as the emails concerned were quite few in number and were only over a period of a few days

Many thanks,

Yours, Simon

FOI, Historic Buildings and Monuments Commission for England

Our Reference:20/01254

 

Dear Mr Barton

 

Re: Information Request – Information Request – Former Bus Garage, 270 –
276 Huntingdon Street, Nottingham.

 

Thank you for your email on 8^th July in which you requested the following
information for the above site:

 

the same information I requested (in August 2019) in the format of the
original emails.

 

Please note that, in accordance with government advice during the
Covid- 19 pandemic the offices of Historic England are currently closed.

 

Please be aware that staff working remotely currently have limited access
to the electronic resources and paper records and may not be able to
retrieve this information at this time.

 

Within these parameters your request will be considered under the
Environmental Information Regulations (2004). We will be writing to you
within the statutory 20 working day timeframe with a response to your
request.  You will be informed if this is not possible.

 

Yours sincerely, 

 

Information Rights Team

 

Historic England

The Engine House

Swindon

SN2 2EH

 

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Dear FOI,

In light of what I have learned about the format of the original FOI response, especially in relation to emails, I have re-read them.

While our property was being erroneously assessed as a Car Works/1930s Car Showroom an email exchange appears to have taken place between Gaynor Roberts and an interested party.

Please could you also provide the "motor industry report" Gaynor Roberts refers to in Email 4. She clearly mentions having it here (below) in what seems to be an email to its author or someone who has provided it to her:

"We have only just received an application to list it. It is just outside the Lace Market Conservation Area, and outside of the area in your motor industry report on Nottingham."

Many thanks

Yours sincerely,

Simon Barton

FOI, Historic Buildings and Monuments Commission for England

Our Reference:20/01263

 

Dear Mr Barton,

 

Re: Information Request – Former Bus Garage, 270– 276 Huntingdon Street,
Nottingham

 

Thank you for your email on 17 July.in which you requested 'the "motor
industry report" Gaynor Roberts refers to in Email 4' of the emails
provided to you previously.

Please could you confirm that you still require the emails already
supplied to you last year in their original format as per your request
dated 9 July? (Our Reference 20/01254)

 

Your request will be considered under the Freedom of Information Act
(2000)/ the Environmental Information Regulations (2004).  We will be
writing to you within the statutory 20 working day timeframe with a
response to your request.  You will be informed if this is not possible.

 

Yours sincerely, 

 

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Historic England

The Engine House

Swindon

SN2 2EH

 

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Dear FOI,

Thank you for your email. Yes please, to both.

Just to clarify, please provide

1. the information being referred to by Gaynor Roberts in email 4 of the response to my request last year, which she describes to the recipient of her email as "your motor industry report on Nottingham", and

2. the emails already supplied to me last year in their original format (uncollated)

I look forward to hearing from you

Yours sincerely,

Simon Barton

FOI, Historic Buildings and Monuments Commission for England

Dear Mr Barton,

Many thanks for your clarification we will proceed on that basis.

Kind regards,

Ann Bryan
Information Rights Assistant
Monday – Thursday 8.30 to 2.00

Please note that I am currently working from home and only contactable via email

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Dear FOI,

Many thanks, I'll look forward to hearing from you and receiving the information.

Yours,

Simon Barton

Parry, Lucy, Historic Buildings and Monuments Commission for England

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Our Reference:20/01254

 

Dear Mr Barton

 

Re: Information Request – Former Bus Garage, 270 – 276 Huntingdon Street,
Nottingham.

 

Thank you for your email on 8^th July in which you requested the following
information for the above site:

 

the same information I requested (in August 2019) in the format of the
original emails.

 

Your request has been processed under the Environmental Information
Regulations 2004 (EIR).

 

Having looked into your request I can confirm that Historic England holds
information that falls within its scope. Please see attached. The only
changes I’ve made to these emails is to redact personal details, but
otherwise they appear exactly as they did when my colleagues logged them
into our data system. To do this I have used Regulation 12(3)- Third
party personal data, the disclosure of which would breach one or more of
the data protection principles in the data protection legislation. Any
duplication has been left in.

 

I hope the information I have been able to provide is useful to you.
Details of our review procedure are attached.

 

Kind regards,

 

 

Lucy

 

 

Lucy Parry

Information Rights Officer

Information Management and Technology Department

The Engine House, Room 2/02, Swindon, SN2 2EH

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Dear Mr Barton,

 

Re: Information Request – Former Bus Garage, 270– 276 Huntingdon Street,
Nottingham

 

Thank you for your email on 17 July.in which you requested 'the "motor
industry report" Gaynor Roberts refers to in Email 4' of the emails
provided to you previously.

 

Your request has been processed under the Environmental Information
Regulations 2004 (EIR).

 

The report is publicly available on the Historic England website, and I
have provided a link below:

[1]https://research.historicengland.org.uk/...

I hope the information I have been able to provide is useful to you.
Details of our review procedure are attached.

 

Kind regards,

 

 

Lucy

 

 

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Information Rights Officer

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Dear Lucy,

Thank you so much for your providing on behalf of Historic England the information I have requested, with a speedy turnaround despite the difficulties being experienced due to the ongoing crisis.

Your efforts are sincerely appreciated,

Yours,

Simon Barton