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Dear West Midlands Police,

Here is a link to a UK shop selling Legal hemp flowers as medicine.

https://www.iceheadshop.co.uk/research-c...

As you will note, the flowers look exactly like illegal cannabis flowers.

1. If a police officer discovers this legal hemp about a person and this person then informs the officer that the product is legal hemp and not cannabis. What happens next? Are they arrested on suspicion of being in possession of a controlled drug? Thus wasting Police time and resources and locking and innocent person up for 8 hours onlt to release them without charge? Or are they unlawfully given a cannabis warning at the roadside?

2. Please provide me with documentation on how your officers are trained to differentiate between legal hemp flowers and illegal cannabis flowers thus avoiding arresting innocent members of the public on suspicion of being in possession of a controlled drug which would stretch your limited resources and cost the tax payer money.

3. If no training is currently available, please explain why not and explain how your officers are able differentiate the two substances from each other, thus avoiding arresting innocent members of the public on suspicion of being in possession of a controlled drug .

Yours faithfully,

Tyrone Armatage

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Dear Mr Armatage

 

FOI Request Reference: 15991/18

 

Thank you for your request for information, received 13/09/2018.

 

REQUEST

 

Here is a link to a UK shop selling Legal hemp flowers as medicine.

 

[1]https://www.iceheadshop.co.uk/research-c...

 

As you will note, the flowers look exactly like illegal cannabis flowers.

 

1. If a police officer discovers this legal hemp about a person and this
person then informs the officer that the product is legal hemp and not
cannabis. What happens next? Are they arrested on suspicion of being in
possession of a controlled drug? Thus wasting Police time and resources
and locking and innocent person up for 8 hours onlt to release them
without charge? Or are they unlawfully given a cannabis warning at the
roadside?

 

2. Please provide me with documentation on how your officers are trained
to differentiate between legal hemp flowers and illegal cannabis flowers
thus avoiding arresting innocent members of the public on suspicion of
being in possession of a controlled drug which would stretch your limited
resources and cost the tax payer money.

 

3. If no training is currently available, please explain why not and
explain how your officers are able differentiate the two substances from
each other, thus avoiding arresting innocent members of the public on
suspicion of being in possession of a controlled drug .

 

RESPONSE

 

Our data are not organised in such a way as to allow us to provide this
information within the appropriate (cost) limit within the Freedom of
Information (FOI) Act (see ‘Reason for Decision’ below).

 

Although excess cost removes the force’s obligations under the Freedom of
Information Act, as a gesture of goodwill I have supplied information,
relative to your request, retrieved before it was realised that the fees
limit would be exceeded (please see attached). I trust this is helpful,
but it does not affect our legal right to rely on the fees regulations for
the remainder of the request.

 

REASON FOR DECISION

 

Please note that researching each individual case would exceed the
appropriate limit (FOIA, s.12).  The Freedom of Information Act 2000 only
covers recorded information held by West Midlands Police, and we are not
required to give a judgement or opinion that is not already recorded. 
Questions 1 and 3 of your request are asking for opinion as to what might
happen in a specific situation.  The information supplied in the
attachment is an answer constructed by an Officer in our Forensic Services
Department in response to the specific questions you asked.  As it was not
recorded information held before your request we are under no obligation
under Freedom of Information to supply it, and have done so outside of the
terms of the FOI Act.

 

 

The cost of compliance with the whole of your request is above the amount
to which we are legally required to respond, i.e. the cost of locating and
retrieving the information would exceed the appropriate costs limit under
section 12(1) of the FOI Act 2000. For West Midlands Police, the
appropriate limit is set at £450, as prescribed by the Freedom of
Information and Data Protection (Appropriate Limit and Fees) Regulations
2004, S.I. 3244.

 

Further information on section 12 of FOI is available here:

 

https://www.app.college.police.uk/app-co...

 

ADDITIONAL INFORMATION

 

For further information and data on West Midlands Police see our
publication scheme and disclosure log

 

[2]http://foi.west-midlands.police.uk/

 

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case under West Midlands Police review procedure, which can be found at:

 

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the date of this correspondence. Any such request received after this time
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Yours sincerely,

 

 

 

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Dear Freedom of Information,

The link below is to hemp seeds with higher than 0.02% thc. Many supermarkets sell this product.
Under your rules hemp seeds are illegal because the oil contained within them does contain thc above the legal minimum levels.

As a police force why are you allowing the sale of these products, even to children?

Please provide me with a copy of instructions/training provided to your officers to enable them to deal with these crimes.

https://www.hollandandbarrett.com/shop/p...

Yours sincerely,

Tyrone Armatage

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Freedom of Information,

Mr Armatage,

Thank you for your e-mail .

Could I ask you ask you to confirm, are you requesting an internal review of the response for your request 15991 _18 or would you like us to deal with this latest e-mail as a new request for recorded information.

Yours sincerely

Michelle

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Dear Freedom of Information,

I would like you to deal with it as a new request.

Yours sincerely,

Tyrone Armatage

Freedom of Information,

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Dear Mr Armatage

 

FOI Request Reference: 018498/18

 

Thank you for your request for information, received 18/10/2018

 

REQUEST

 

The link below is to hemp seeds with higher than 0.02% thc. Many
supermarkets sell this product.

Under your rules hemp seeds are illegal because the oil contained within
them does contain thc above the legal minimum levels.

 

As a police force why are you allowing the sale of these products, even to
children?

 

Please provide me with a copy of instructions/training provided to your
officers to enable them to deal with these crimes.

 

https://www.hollandandbarrett.com/shop/p...

 

RESPONSE

 

I am writing to inform you that we have searched our records and the
information you requested is not held by West Midlands Police.

 

The Freedom of Information Act 2000 only covers recorded information held
by West Midlands Police, and we are not required to give a judgement or
opinion that is not already recorded. 

However, the information supplied in the attachment is an answer
constructed by an Officer in our Forensic Services Department in response
to the specific questions you asked. As it was not recorded information
held before your request, we have no obligation under Freedom of
Information to supply it, and have done so outside of the terms of the FOI
Act.

 

I note the tone and content of your recent requests and recommend that you
familiarise yourself with ICO guidance on Freedom of Information before
making any further requests.

 

[1]https://ico.org.uk/for-the-public/offici...

 

In particular you may wish to look at the ‘Information request dos and
don’ts’ section. As your requests show some of these relevant
characteristics we may consider the application of Section 14 (vexatious
or repeated requests) as well as Section 12 (where the request exceeds the
appropriate limit) to future requests.

 

ADDITIONAL INFORMATION

 

For further information and data on West Midlands Police see our
publication scheme and disclosure log

 

[2]http://foi.west-midlands.police.uk/

 

RIGHT OF APPEAL

 

Your attention is drawn to your right to request a re-examination of your
case under West Midlands Police review procedure, which can be found at:

 

[3]http://foi.west-midlands.police.uk/revie...

 

Please note that such an appeal must be received within 40 working days of
the date of this correspondence. Any such request received after this time
will only be considered at the discretion of the FOI Unit.

 

If you require any further information, then please do not hesitate to
contact me.

 

Yours sincerely,

 

Justine Barrett

Disclosure Officer  

Freedom of Information Unit  

West Midlands Police

 

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Dear Freedom of Information,

Thank you for your response. I have to inform you that the information you provided me with is incorrect.
As a police force you should be ashamed.

I note the tone and content of your recent responses and recommend that you
familiarise yourself with ICO guidance on Freedom of Information before making any further responses.

Yours sincerely,
Without ill will vexation or frivolity,
Tyrone Armatage

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Mr Armatage

Could you clarify whether you wish your correspondence to be treated as a request for Internal Review, please?

Thanks

Carl

Carl Bird
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Dear Freedom of Information,
I would like you to conduct an internal review please.

Yours sincerely,

Tyrone Armatage

Freedom of Information,

Dear Mr Armatage

FOI Request Reference: 20932/18

I acknowledge receipt of your correspondence, received 16/11/2018, requesting West Midlands Police to review its response to your request for information concerning request reference: 18498/18.

The review will be conducted by a person independent of the original decision in accordance with the West Midlands Police review procedure. Every effort will be made to have a response to you within 20 working days. However, if it becomes clear that the review will not be completed by this date you will be advised.

Yours sincerely,

Andrea Mobberley
Freedom of Information Unit
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Freedom of Information,

Dear Mr Armatage

 

FOI Internal Review Reference: 20932/18

 

Thank you for your correspondence, received 16/11/2018 where you requested
West Midlands Police to review its response to your request for
information concerning Hemp Seeds.

 

 

ORIGINAL REQUEST

 

The link below is to hemp seeds with higher than 0.02% thc. Many
supermarkets sell this product.

Under your rules hemp seeds are illegal because the oil contained within
them does contain thc above the legal minimum levels.

 

As a police force why are you allowing the sale of these products, even to
children?

 

Please provide me with a copy of instructions/training provided to your
officers to enable them to deal with these crimes.

 

[1]https://www.hollandandbarrett.com/shop/p...

 

RESPONSE

 

I have reviewed the original decision. Please find below my response.

 

I am writing to inform you that we have searched our records and the
information you requested is not held by West Midlands Police. 

 

Please note:

 

The additional information supplied to you was supplied outside of the FOI
Act, therefore is not subject to review.

 

The Freedom of Information Act 2000 only covers recorded information held
by West Midlands Police, and we are not required to give a judgement or
opinion that is not already recorded.

 

I have note the points raised in your correspondence, you have stated that
we have provided you with incorrect information and that as a force we
should be ashamed.

 

You are using the FOI process to make accusations about the organisation
and its employees.

 

For these reasons I consider this request exempt by virtue of Section
14(1) of the Freedom of Information Act.  Any future requests on this or
similar topics are also likely to be exempt and will not be responded to.

 

If you are not content with the outcome of the internal review, you have
the right to apply directly to the Information Commissioner for a
decision. The Information Commissioner can be contacted at: Information
Commissioner’s Office, Wycliffe House, Water Lane, Wilmslow, Cheshire, SK9
5AF

 

If you require any further information, then please do not hesitate to
contact me.

 

Yours sincerely,

 

 

Andrea Mobberley

Freedom of Information Unit

Corporate Communications

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emergency response, please call 101. In an emergency, dial 999.

 

Internal: 801 2068

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Dear Freedom of Information,

As I previously stated. The information you provided Was incorrect and I hold proof 100%.

I have today passed this entire file to the ICO who will contact you in due course and publish their findings on the ICO website.

Yours sincerely,

Tyrone Armatage

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