Is Income Tax legal?

Veronica Chapman made this Freedom of Information request to HM Revenue and Customs

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Veronica Chapman

Dear Sirs,

You may consider my request for information to be under the Freedom of Information Act, or just simply a question from a concerned Human Being, native to the Country commonly called England (having been born therein), and it being your duty, as a public body, to honourably answer questions about your activities.

I realise that you operate under Statutes, but they are of no concern, so please be so kind as not to bother quoting them in response, for the simple reason that they will not answer my question, as you will see when reading further.

I suggest that, as a first step, you should read the article on this link:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/...

Now, the point is this. From the information in that article you will comprehend, I’m sure, that the actions of the U.K. Government, in waging war in Afghanistan and Iraq, causing the deaths of innocent civilians are illegal in law. And they constitute the crimes of genocide and a crime against peace. And that the actions of British taxpayers, in paying taxes to HM Government, which uses them to finance the war and the killing of Iraqi nationals, constitute crimes of 'conduct ancillary to genocide' and ‘complicity in a crime against peace’.

The law states that:

'It is an offence against the law of England and Wales for a person to commit genocide, a crime against humanity or a war crime, or to engage in conduct ancillary to such an act. This applies to acts committed in England and Wales or outside the United Kingdom by a U.K. national, resident or person subject to U.K. service jurisdiction.' See: International Criminal Court Act 2001 http://www.expose-the-system.org/resourc...

'Genocide' means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy in whole or in part a national, ethnic, racial or religious group as such (a) killing members of the group; (b) causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; (c) deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part..

Whosoever shall aid, abet, counsel or procure the commission of any indictable offence, whether the same be an offence at common law or by virtue of any Act passed or to be passed, shall be liable to be tried, indicted, and punished as a principal offender. See: Accessories and Abettors Act 1861 http://www.statutelaw.gov.uk/content.asp...

Please also consult: Charter of the United Nations http://www.expose-the-system.org/resourc... and Evidence of Genocide - Crime Report http://www.expose-the-system.org/resourc...

Therefore, in summary, the payment of taxes, collected on behalf of the UK Government, must constitute ‘aiding and abetting’ war crimes as defined.

Therefore those who collect these taxes must also constitute ‘aiding and abetting’ war crimes as defined.

So how, bearing in mind what is presented herein, how do you justify what you do as NOT ‘aiding and abetting’ the war crimes committed by the UK Government under their own so-called ‘rule of law’?

I ask this because I cannot, for the life of me, think of an honourable answer My Self.

Please read this information very carefully before responding. Thank you.

Sincerely without ill-will, vexation, or frivolity,

Veronica: of the Chapman family. (a sovereign Human Being born in the Country commonly called England)

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Veronica Chapman

Dear Howe, Lucy (LG Corporate Governance),

Don't waste your time even thinking about charging me a fee, for the simple reason that I require a moral justification for what you do, not any form of 'legal' one.

Unless, of course, you can justify a 'charge' or a 'fee' for morality. In which please include a Proof of Claim, under Common Law principles, that such a fee is valid.

Just answer the question please, Ms. Howe.

Yours sincerely,

Veronica: of the Chapman family

Veronica Chapman left an annotation ()

Morality is either in one’s head, or it isn’t. It does not exist on Lookup Databases. And it certainly does not exist in corrupt legal fictions. It exists solely in Court of Justice, determined by a Jury of 12 people.

Morality is in my head, and I don’t charge a fee for it.

My morality tells me that ‘aiding and abetting war crimes’ is not the way for an individual, or a country as a whole, to honourably behave.

I require either (1) Justification that the UK did not engage in ‘aiding and abetting war crimes’ in Iran and Afghanistan, and therefore funding these activities through taxes collected by HM Revenue & Customs is fully justified and honourable, or (b) A moral and honourable justification for ‘aiding and abetting war crimes’ in these and other countries, since the introduction of Income Tax.

And, I suggest, the very concept of expecting to charge for answers to these questions is, in itself, thoroughly immoral and an insult to anyone’s intelligence.

Sharpe, John (G&S), HM Revenue and Customs

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Veronica Chapman

Dear Sharpe, John (G&S),

Thank you for your response. If you read my original question again you will see that I gave you the opportunity of treating as a Freedom of Information Request -OR- just simply one from a concerned Human Being.

Since you are not prepared to answer under Freedom of Information, then please provide morally justified answer to the question I raised, as per your normal public duty. I assume you have sufficient integrity to do that.

Yours sincerely,

Veronica Chapman

Dr K J Hamer left an annotation ()

What an outrageous waste of public servants time. This is not the purpose.

jon left an annotation ()

You call him a "public servant", if he is a public servant, then his duty is to serve the public, which means he should answer questions from the public.

Dr K J Hamer left an annotation ()

We elect MPs and a Government to decide what public servants do - not what the public tell them to!

jon left an annotation ()

You may have elected them, but I most certainly did not.

Andrew B left an annotation ()

Dr K J Hamer, i have a suggestion for you...

Get back in your Sheep pen with the rest of the sheeple
or start asking questions yourself about the corruption going on in the worlds governments and the fact your income tax goes to pay for the genocide they inflict on foreign countries in the name of the "War on Terror".

Peace & love :)

Andrew

Veronica Chapman left an annotation ()

Could I ask everyone to kindly stop annotating. This is turning into a slanging match and that, without a doubt, is NOT what this facility is for.

Thank you very much for your consideration

Sharpe, John (G&S), HM Revenue and Customs

Dear Ms Chapman

On behalf of HMRC, which administers the revenue collection in this
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the Freedom of Information Act. HMRC has no further comment to make on
your contentions in your letter.

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Mitsi left an annotation ()

Good answer Andrew B :-D

Veronica Chapman left an annotation ()

FACTS: Income Tax, Council Tax, Value Added Tax (and the like) ARE "Legal" ... but they are not LAWFUL or MORAL (lawful/moral amount to the same thing).

It all comes down to the immense difference between "Legal" and "Lawful"

See here: http://www.fmotl.com/wiki/index.php/Lega...

"Lawful" you should obey, or be subject to the Verdict of a Jury.

"Legal" you only obey if you decide to.

Thus Income Tax, Council Tax, Value Added Tax (etc) need only be paid if you decide to comply. To force you to comply is a criminal act of trespass upon your Human Sovereignty.

Veronica Chapman left an annotation ()

FACTS: According to the Bank of England: MONEY IS CREATED OUT OF THIN AIR. Details here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpId_cSbyXo

(Which, of course, is absolutely true ... simply because "money" is a concept synonymous with "credit" (and "debit").

"Money" - and any associated "tax" - is thus an imagination. "Credit" is defined simply as "faith placed in something". So: HOW CAN ONE TAX THIN AIR?)

Veronica Chapman left an annotation ()

FACTS: There, HMRC! I've answered my own FoI for you. (There will be no charge for doing so).

Huey Freeman left an annotation ()

I know this isn't an annotation, but I just wanted to thank you for your ability to express, so eloquently, how I and many (although not enough) people think. You've brightened my day, and trust me it was dim. Its a shame there aren't more of you out there.

Kyle

Free Thinking

Bill left an annotation ()

Dr K J Hamer left an annotation (28 April 2009)

We elect MPs and a Government to decide what public servants do - not what the public tell them to!

Dear Sir

MPs and the Government are elected to serve the wishes of the people, so to state that we elect MPs and Government to decide what public servants do - not what the public tell them to! Is a total miss quote and a misrepresentation's of the requirements of public servants and MPs. They are PUBLIC SERVANTS ( Serving the wishes of the people ) Hence we elect them to do what WE the public jointly tell them to do. To allow a status quo that MP's, Politicians and Civil Servants do exactly what they want to do irrespective of the wishes of the people sets an dangerous precedent and effectively gives them the green light to lead the people into tyranny and a dictatorship.

With Respect

K Hamer left an annotation ()

We elect the politicians - they control the agenda of the "Public servants". Public servants are not accountable to the people - they are accountable to Government (and their line manager). If we are not happy with what the civil service are doing we sack our politicians. Either elect somebody who will do something differently or stand yourself, and get "THE PEOPLE" to vote for you. The collective will of the people is decided through the ballot box, not through FOI!!!

Trevor Allport left an annotation ()

Problem is that the three main political parties are owned by corporative figures and bankers.

They control the system and provide us with an illusion that we are electing a government of our choice.

They get what THEY want; power which they never lose
and the public THINK they are getting what they want by electing a new government. However, the government that we see are merely glove puppets of these corporations and banks.

So we go around in circles. Labour falls out of favour, they go away. Conservative get in and meanwhile Labour rewrites their policies.
Conservative then become unpopular and Labour take over again as New Labour or maybe next time they'll call themselves Labour Regenesis or some shit like that.

It's a stage play that unfortunately most sheeple fall for.

K Hamer left an annotation ()

We are doomed!

webtrekker left an annotation ()

Any update on this? It would also be nice to have any paid taxes REFUNDED for, let's say' the last 6 years.

Veronica Chapman left an annotation ()

No further update has been forthcoming, for the simple reason that HMRC have no REAL idea what they are actually doing.

Under the current 'system' you can work a month and be paid (say) £1,000 for the efforts you made. Your efforts are, therefore 'worth' £1,000.

But you are then 'taxed' on that by HMRC. So you actually end up with (say) £750 in your pocket.

This applies to each any every one of us 'plebs' (obviously it does not apply to the Banksters, who pay no taxes at all …), and it also applies to us 'plebs' world-wide.

Thus NOT ONE OF US could EVER AFFORD to purchase the fruits of OUR OWN labours. We could not 'buy' the £1,000-worth of our labours with the £750 we are left with.

This happens every single second, of every single minute, of every single day 24-7-365.

If anyone can't see this as THE MOST MASSIVE SCAM OF ALL TIME … I really don't know what else to say.

And it is all TOTALLY UNNECESSARY. If the Government wants to employ a Monetary System then - instead of chartering the Bank of England to issue currency - then the Government could do it themselves. Without 'borrowing' it ... therefore no need to pay anyone back! "National Debt" solved instantly! It worked for Abraham Lincoln ... until he was assassinated for doing so.

Or perhaps someone can tell me why - if a Government can charter a PRIVATE BANK to create 'currency' - it cannot do the job itself?

FMOTL? left an annotation ()

HMRC have replied not once but twice, and on both occasions perfectly within the terms of the FOIA – and, also in both cases, making clear that, as your request is not one for information, it is not answerable under the Act. It is therefore unclear why you express some surprise that ‘no further update has been forthcoming’.

As the sole purpose of this website is to make FOIA requests and share the answers which are given, making requests of this type are a blatant – and I imagine deliberate – abuse, although I struggle to understand your motives for doing so. Certainly, there is no basis for the suggestion that the response you got from HMRC means that they have no ‘idea what they are actually doing’.

The pattern in a number of requests which you have made seems to be:

1. ask a query which is clearly outside the terms of the FOIA

2. protest when the body concerned says that the query is outside the terms of the FOIA

3. exclaim that the reason your request was not answered is evidence of some form of scam or conspiracy on the part of the Government

This behaviour does no credit to the integrity of this website and I find it surprising that you are continued to use it as a means of making requests. I am also surprised at the patience of the junior civil servants whose time you waste in this way.

Trevor Allport left an annotation ()

So let's go back to that nice, comfortable illusion that we have a democracy and that we actually elect our government.

As long as we remain within that paradigm of Labour vs. Conservative vs. LibDem, the government will chalk us up as nice little soldiers.

Let's turn on the TV and watch X-Factor and Ant and Dec while the puppetmasters of the government shaft us in every way imaginable.

Psuedo of Nom family left an annotation ()

I am using an obvious pseudonym for this comment. I do make FOI requests under my real name but having read some of the personal attacks made by some members of this site, I prefer to remain anonymous for these observations.

I find it funny that FMOTL? was harassed for not using his/her real name when some users of the site do not believe in registering births or having 'real' names as they are 'living beings with a soul that do not have a title'.

I find it ironic that some users of this site do not believe in Statute law but are quite happy to use it to further their own ends.

FMOTL? left an annotation ()

Ironic indeed. It is rather difficult to see the logic of people who assert the ridiculous view that compliance with any statute is optional and who also seek information under the FOIA which is part of statute.

Quite apart from the splenetic response you receive when you point out this contradiction.

Michael J. Fisher left an annotation ()

Courtesy of Wikipedia

United Kingdom
Punch cartoon (1907); illustrates the unpopularity amongst Punch readers of a proposed 1907 income tax by the Labour Party in the United Kingdom.
Main article: Taxation in the United Kingdom#History
One of the first recorded taxes on income was the Saladin tithe introduced by Henry II in 1188 to raise money for the Third Crusade.[7] The tithe demanded that each layperson in England be taxed a tenth of their personal income and moveable property.[8] However, the inception date of the modern income tax is typically accepted as 1799.[9]
Income tax was announced in Britain by William Pitt the Younger in his budget of December 1798 and introduced in 1799, to pay for weapons and equipment in preparation for the Napoleonic wars. Pitt's new graduated income tax began at a levy of 2d in the pound (0.8333%) on annual incomes over £60 and increased up to a maximum of 2s in the pound (10%) on incomes of over £200 (£170,542 in 2007). Pitt hoped that the new income tax would raise £10 million (£8,527,100,000 in 2007), but actual receipts for 1799 totaled just over £6 million.[10]
The tax was repealed in 1816 and opponents of the tax, who thought it should only be used to finance wars, wanted all records of the tax destroyed along with its repeal. Records were publicly burned by the Chancellor of the Exchequer but copies were retained in the basement of the tax court.[11]

This may or may not answer the question - may the Lord Jesus Christ suddenly come in glory and institute a fair tax - 10%?

ivanataylor left an annotation ()

Render unto Ceaser that which is Ceasers and Render unto God that which he requires as a tithe, 10% or your increase. The point here that most seem to completely alude to is that God gave us it all as an Inhernt right, from a Loving father to His Children. none of us owe anything to Ceaser, not one jot or tittle, and for sure, we are Commanded, thou shalt not kill. Either we are a Christian country or we are not, which is it?, as our original Laws are based on biblical morality and principle, namely the 10 Commandments.For this reason and as a conciensious objector to War, slaughter, and abuse of the innocent, by those who I term as heathens, I am witholding my council tax until all this corruption is sorted out. I for one will not have blood on my hands. I totally support Veronica in asking this question and requiring an answer. WAR certainly is not the answer and is immoral and wicked. England has Ancient Laws and customs and it would benefit those who are critical here, to avail themselves with an education, rather than expressing uninformed opinions. How degraded have some become who never question wickedness and fail to know the difference between right and wrong?

Maggie left an annotation ()

It is obvious that Income Tax is an immoral tax in that it is far too much in % taken from our labours. And like other readers have said, it is used to kill our worldwide brotherhood around the globe. And as I see the Bible quoted in the 10% tithing.....we all have to wake up and see, there is no Christianity left in our lands, not really. Our leaders are mostly athesist, some have a pretence of Christianity, but it's all white graves that contain dead mens bones. There actions belie their religious rhetoric. Having said this, many people don't bend to a religion and yet behave BETTER than some of the so called Christians who are satanic and evil, nothing more, nothing less.
We currently in the UK have a 20%, 30% and 50% income tax the latter being for people who earn in excess of £150,000 per year.
The whole system is chaotic, juvenile and quite honestly
decided upon by the elite who control the rich and priviledged people who are in the government, who know not one jot about the common man, or neither do they care.
Why should 2% of the worlds population, OWN 80% of the worlds wealth?
Income tax is an evil tax weighted on a people, just like the Pharisees of Biblical times, who would weigh the people down with law upon law, .....
And now in England we have a Gestapo type of government
who want every last penny wrung out of our pockets and every last drop of blood squeezed from our souls.
They will have neither of mine, so long as I can muster up the strength to resist.

dave hopson left an annotation ()

I am an extremely open minded person, my academic education is not the greatest but one thing that always interests me are conspiracy theories.

some are far too complicated and make no sense. anyway, I love reading up on these types of concealed secrets within the government, but I always get frustrated and angry when I ask myself the question "what can I do about it?"

Many thanks for your post and I do agree with some other comments, you are an inspiration to us all.

Kind regards

Dave

please add me on facebook - Dave Hopson

I so many questions and so much to talk about.

couger left an annotation ()

Any further information, so tax is non payable if you decide. whould you need an expencive lawyer.

Anarchist left an annotation ()

"The Money Masters"-worth watching!

ian french left an annotation ()

I have recently been asking myself the very questions that have been at the front of this thread of comments.

I am concerned that there are not enough people that will turn their heads away from Xfactor and involve themselves in what is happening outside the confines of their four walls. The world is spiraling. The so called money making elite have ravaged countries and brought misery to the doorsteps of the masses in order to maintain their elite status. They have the ability to raise a nation from the brink of ruin and raise another to the ground if it wont conform with their ideas.
It was once said that the ones who control the money control the power, and it is clear to see in the world we live in today. Every step has been taken by these parasites to manipulate our thought patterns and keep us conforming to their design. i.e. pay your taxes and don't think too much.
We are drip fed only what they want us to see through social media, in order to keep us following like the little lambs we are.
It seems that the concept of an all powerful being(for now we shall call him god)and his little list of what we cant do(we shall call the ten commandments)no longer carries any weight in modern society. Science fact and Charles Darwin have seen to that.(dinosaur fossils were not put there by God to test your faith, THEY REALLY LIVED) Although god worship has been around since the egyptians and probably since the dawn of man,(which wasn't 2000 years ago) christianity has only been around since the Romans, it was born of the ideals of censorship and control, the romans believed in order to harvest a conforming society, the society must have a face of fear. In this case the face of God, this all empowering God, this God who would oversee everything we say and do and if we break any of the no no's on his list(the commandments) he will strike down great vengeance and furious anger upon you and you will be doomed to the eternal pits of hell. In truth nobody wants that. This was an ideal myth for the un educated masses as it can only be proven to hold water by someone who has passed and returned from the after life.(unlikely) This results in social conformity and the removal of human right in the name of God. We are rapidly coming to the end of the piscean age and the powers that be have given us new God, a new fear to herald the dawning of the age of Aquarius(2150A.D) GLOBAL TERROR, we live in a world driven by money and controlled by the makers of it, but to what end, how many more lives will be taken in order for the elite to maintain global social and economic control? watch out Iran i think you could be next on the list if you don't come around to there way of thinking. watch this space!

Nicola Carley left an annotation ()

Ian - you have voiced what many people believe it or not, are actually finally waking up to. I think the problem now is that for people such as us who can see clearly to the bottom of a very murky pond, action is slow. It is also hampered by the fact that many of those who have awoken to this, have done so because they have left the system but are still tied in by needing benefits. I myself have to complete my tax return in order to receive the benefit I need to pay my rent. If I were in a position where I was able to support myself, I most definitely would not be paying income tax but as it stands, I don't earn enough to pay it in the first place. The point is that people are waking up and it will take for people such as ourselves to join together and show that we can make a stand. Please look me up www.bluebirdbliss.co.uk let's see if we can harness this energy somehow! Nicola

phanton left an annotation ()

My view on Income Tax is that it is fundamentally immoral because the very idea that my labour and my intellect are not fully my own is an outrageously malevolent idea.

To be honest the Government should be paying me interest on my labour not taxing it at all; for in this realm I am contributing to the greater good; providing services and drawing on my skills.

That should be enough to keep things ticking along nicely.

Sonny left an annotation ()

1. Council Tax: Did you know, it costs you £2.73 every day for public services such as bin collection, road repair, lamp fixing, water leak repair etc. That's what you pay ~£1000 for Council Tax? And you know for sure, bin man only comes once a week, the road in front of your house is repaired once or twice in say 10s of years or in your whole life, the road lamp in front of your house is repaired only once in years, water leak in front of your house is also very rare!

2. Income Tax: Did you know it costs you 20% of whatever you hardly earned? This tax is used in WHAT? No clear accounting is there to show us where our tax money is used! Oh I see it's used in illegal, immoral and unjust wars.

If you charge Income Tax to commoners, why don't you charge it to big players such as banks, corporations, arms trade, etc.? Doesn't it give you a sense that thieves look after thieves?

3. National Insurance Tax: Did you know it costs you 12% of whatever you hardly earned? This tax is used in Health Services so to speak, but how many times do you go to GP, hospital, and how many times do you have an operation in a year or even in your whole life? So, if you are wondering where the rest of this money goes, well it goes into the pockets of NHS managers and directors! instead of coming back to our pockets!

VAT/PROPERTY TAX/STAMP DUTY/VARIOUS INSURANCES/TAXES/INFLATION/STEALING FROM PEOPLE'S SAVING ACCOUNTS/ Please somebody contribute ...

greg left an annotation ()

I would like to move onto a little different topic to which I would like to get an alternate views.

My problem is with the legislative process (taking bill through the parliament) that takes place in this country.

For instance, did you know that Cameron and Blair are related to the Queen and both are her indirect cousins?

The unelected head of state in the UK, i.e., The Queen has the power to:
1. Dissolve the parliament.
2. Appoint/dismiss the new/old prime minister.
3. Appoint members of the House of Lords (Thats the second chamber of the UK Parliament) on the advice of the Prime Minister - who again, is appointed by her.
4. Give or refuse to give ROYAL ASSENT, some might argue its just a formality, yet with her refusal to sign it, the bill would need to be re-introduced.
5. So, if she can veto bills through points 2-4, and in extreme cases to dissolve the parliament, then how democratic the UK really is?

I remember when in 1990 people took to the streets protesting against introduction of the poll tax. When the fights broke out, police fought against rioters trying to protect the public order and ruling establishment. One guy made an interesting comment stating: 'Slaves fighting slaves'.

My proposal for the only fair and truly unique, presently utopian system of taxation is based on percentage of the total value of what you already own and earnings from employment/self-employment/dividends etc. The totals should be subjected to the annual reviews in order to asses the growing/declining values of tangible/intangible assets. The tax could be fixed, with no indirect taxes needed.

Thanks,
Gregory

James left an annotation ()

Dr J K Hamer, Removes his fictional title "Dr" and now goes under Hamer?

Somewhere along the lines the whole UK has got the impression that MP's and CIVIL SERVANTS are above us and to RULE us? Lets just reiterate they are there to serve us as the name suggests.

As a Dr? did you know that you are using your best trained judgement to be a salesman for Big Pharma. Ask yourself a moral question.

If ALL those drugs and medicines are doing any good then why are more people becoming ill? Surely we should all be getting better and the NHS budget decreasing.

tony browne left an annotation ()

People are right the money masters rule the world and I will give an example, The Bank Of England and the Fed are not public companied as described but are secretly owned by unknown shareholders from around the world, their main crime is printing money out of fresh air and then charging us slaves interest on top. A brave few American Presidents challenged their illegal take over of the financial system, two dared to take back the legal right to print money, so what happened? their names were Lincoln and Kennedy

Rollo57 left an annotation ()

As we get older, we grow wiser, we see what wasn't seen before. I now see where we are being enslaved and why. The TTIP is the final piece in the Corporates jig-saw, with the privatisation of ALL public service rights. IDS is changing the Welfare system to suit the American market, whose regulations we default to, when the deal is signed.
The Presidents of USA, that tried to change the system were assassinated, though one, Andrew Jackson, survived?
"Shortly after President Jackson (the only American President to actually pay off the National Debt) ended the Second Bank of the United States, there was an attempted assassination which failed when both pistols used by the assassin, Richard Lawrence, failed to fire. Lawrence later said that with Jackson dead, "Money would be more plenty".
This is what our press said when Lincoln did it;

"If this mischievous financial policy, which has its origin in North America, becomes entrenched, then that Government will issue it’s own money without cost. It will pay off debts and be without debt. It will have all the money necessary to carry on it’s commerce. It will become prosperous to a degree which is without precedent in the history of the world. The brains, and wealth of all countries will migrate to North America. That country must be destroyed or it will destroy every monarchy on the globe". -- The London Times responding to Lincoln's decision to issue government Greenbacks to finance the Civil War, rather than agree to private banker's loans at 30% interest.

Looks like we need a bigger gun?

josh left an annotation ()

I think the only way around it is if every single person decided to not pay taxes, then there woud be nothing they could do. However, regardless of the fact, that it is themselves that are being scammed, the mojority of people are too closed off to go along with such a thing. If everyone actully agreed one day to just turn against the goverment, we would live in a much better world.

Rosie left an annotation ()

Rosie
I agree with mr Josh comment.
People power is the most effective way of dealing with the government and people of so called stature that believe we the commoners should bow down and accept what were told without questioning.
Thank god for those who have woken up to this world problem of modern slavery and wake up to those who are still asleep.
I thank those people for the positive contribution to this site as it is provides knowledge for others and that is a good thing.