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Dear Norfolk and Waveney Sustainability and Transformation Partnership,

This is a request for information under the Freedom of Information Act.

Please provide the following details of any and all gifts and/or hospitality provided by the cybersecurity company Darktrace (also known as Darktrace Limited, Darktrace Holdings and Darktrace Plc):

-- The monetary value;
-- The description;
-- The date;
-- The unit, office or department in which the recipients of the gifts/hospitality worked;
-- Whether the gifts/hospitality were accepted, rejected, or otherwise donated;

Please provide this information for any gifts/hospitality received from June 2013 onwards inclusive in the form of an itemised list for each instance of a gift and/or hospitality.

Please also disclose whether you were using Darktrace's services in May 2017.

Please provide the most up-to-date information as of the date this request is fulfilled in electronic (soft copy) form.

If it is not possible to fulfil this request due to the information exceeding the cost of compliance limits identified in Section 12, please provide advice and assistance, under the Section 16 obligations of the Act, as to how I can refine my request. If you can identify any other ways that my request could be refined I would be grateful for any further advice and assistance.

Thank you for your assistance and I look forward to your response.

Kadhim Shubber

WILLIAMS, Chris (NHS NORFOLK AND WAVENEY CCG), Norfolk and Waveney Sustainability and Transformation Partnership

Dear Kadhim

Thank you for your email and FOI request. Unfortunately we do not hold this information for all the partner organisations centrally. To get the information, you will need to contact all the partners individually. You can find a list of the partner organisations here: https://www.norfolkandwaveneypartnership....

Kind regards

Chris

Chris

Chris Williams
Special Projects Manager
NHS Norfolk and Waveney CCG
Email: [Norfolk and Waveney Sustainability and Transformation Partnership request email]

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www.norfolkandwaveneyccg.nhs.uk
www.norfolkandwaveneypartnership.org.uk

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Kadhim Shubber

Hi Chris,

Thank you for getting back to me.

I'll reach out to the partner organisations directly as you suggest. Would you be able to provide a response for the CCG itself (and its predecessor CCG organisations)?

Kadhim

NORFOLKANDWAVENEYCCGS (NHS ARDEN AND GREATER EAST MIDLANDS COMMISSIONING SUPPORT UNIT), Norfolk and Waveney Sustainability and Transformation Partnership

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ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF FREEDOM OF INFORMATION REQUEST

 

FOI Reference: 002724

 

Dear Kadhim Shubber

 

I acknowledge receipt of your FOI request on behalf of NHS Norfolk and
Waveney CCG which we received on 6 May.

 

A response to your request will be sent within 20 working days after
receipt, the date 4 June.

 

Yours sincerely

 

Philip Humphreys

On behalf of NHS Norfolk and Waveney CCG

FOI team Arden & GEM CSU

Engagement, Communications and Marketing

 

NHS Arden and Greater East Midlands Commissioning Support Unit

St. John’s House, East Street, Leicester, LE1 6NB

 

T: 01246 514965

E:  [1][email address]

W: [2]www.ardengemcsu.nhs.uk

 

 

[3]Description: cid:image004.jpg@01D03175.7654D4B0

 

 

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WILLIAMS, Chris (NHS NORFOLK AND WAVENEY CCG), Norfolk and Waveney Sustainability and Transformation Partnership

Hi Kadhim

No problem, and yes we will provide a response on behalf of the CCG / five former CCGs, so there's no need to submit another request to us.

Kind regards

Chris

Chris Williams
Special Projects Manager
NHS Norfolk and Waveney CCG
Email: [Norfolk and Waveney Sustainability and Transformation Partnership request email]

Click here to chat in MS Teams

www.norfolkandwaveneyccg.nhs.uk
www.norfolkandwaveneypartnership.org.uk

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Cheers, appreciate the help!

Kadhim

NORFOLKANDWAVENEYCCGS (NHS ARDEN AND GREATER EAST MIDLANDS COMMISSIONING SUPPORT UNIT), Norfolk and Waveney Sustainability and Transformation Partnership

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Good morning Kadhim Shubber

 

Further to the below please see the CCG’s response attached.

 

Kind regards

Philip Humphreys

On behalf of Norfolk and Waveney CCG

 

From: NORFOLKANDWAVENEYCCGS (NHS ARDEN AND GREATER EAST MIDLANDS
COMMISSIONING SUPPORT UNIT) <[email address]>
Sent: 10 May 2021 16:41
To: [FOI #751239 email]
Cc: NORFOLKANDWAVENEYCCGS (NHS ARDEN AND GREATER EAST MIDLANDS
COMMISSIONING SUPPORT UNIT) <[email address]>
Subject: RE: Freedom of Information request - Information regarding
Darktrace

 

 

ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF FREEDOM OF INFORMATION REQUEST

 

FOI Reference: 002724

 

Dear Kadhim Shubber

 

I acknowledge receipt of your FOI request on behalf of NHS Norfolk and
Waveney CCG which we received on 6 May.

 

A response to your request will be sent within 20 working days after
receipt, the date 4 June.

 

Yours sincerely

 

Philip Humphreys

On behalf of NHS Norfolk and Waveney CCG

FOI team Arden & GEM CSU

Engagement, Communications and Marketing

 

NHS Arden and Greater East Midlands Commissioning Support Unit

St. John’s House, East Street, Leicester, LE1 6NB

 

T: 01246 514965

E:  [1][email address]

W: [2]www.ardengemcsu.nhs.uk

 

 

[3]Description: cid:image004.jpg@01D03175.7654D4B0

 

 

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Hi there,

I'd like to request an internal review.

The Trust declined to confirm whether or not it held information about whether it was using Darktrace in May 2017, nor to provide that information if it is held. The basis of that refusal appears to be that there would be some risk to the Trust's cybersecurity if such disclosures were made. The Trust cites the exemption under Section31, which requires the Trust to show that there would be a "causal" link between the disclosures and the alleged harms.

The Trust in its refusal has attempted to show such a link, but I do not believe it has been successful.

The Trust asserts that: "To confirm or deny if the CCG was or was not using the services of Darktrace in May 2017 would make the CCG more vulnerable to crime as it would reveal which cyber security systems and services the CCG has used and is using."

While the requested information would reveal the cyber security services has used, it would not reveal what services it is using today. My request sought only the basic fact of whether the Trust used a particular supplier some four years ago, long in the past. This is of no use to a potential hacker today. Even the most skilled hackers cannot go back in time to attack the Trust, and information about a state of affairs years in the past does not reveal anything about the current status of the Trust's cybersecurity systems. The Trust notes that May 2017 was the month the WannaCry attack hit the NHS -- I don't think anybody thinks that NHS cybersecurity defenses did not change following that incident.

For these reasons, I do not believe that the Trust can make the required showing of a casual link to harm under the cited exemption.

Thank you for considering this matter.

Kadhim

NORFOLKANDWAVENEYCCGS (NHS ARDEN AND GREATER EAST MIDLANDS COMMISSIONING SUPPORT UNIT), Norfolk and Waveney Sustainability and Transformation Partnership

Good afternoon Kadhim Shubber

In response to your email dated 2 June 2021 I can confirm Norfolk and Waveney CCG has revisited its response to the requested information.

The CCG has considered your comments, in particular regarding the use of Darktrace at a point in time and changes in security since the May 2017 cyber incident. The CCG agrees that the conformation or denial of the past use would not hinder current security measures.

Therefore the CCG disclaims its use of section 31 and confirms that none of the previous Norfolk and Waveney CCGs were using Darktrace’s services in May 2017.

I hope this is useful to you and we thank you for the opportunity to revisit this request.

Kind regards
Philip Humphreys
On behalf of Norfolk and Waveney CCG

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