Information on publications held by the ministry concerning SIP NO76 grenades (AW Bombs)

Mr Carroll made this Freedom of Information request to Ministry of Defence

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Dear Ministry of Defence,

I am writing to make an open government request for all the
information to which I am entitled under the Freedom of Information Act and the Environmental Information Regulations.

In order to assist you with this request, I am outlining my query as specifically as possible.

If however this request is too wide or too unclear, I would be grateful if you could contact me as I understand that under the act, you are required to advise and assist requesters.

Can you confirm if you still hold any publications concerning these second world war artefacts issued to the Home Guard? Can you give a list of such publications that you hold in order for me to assess which of these may be most relevant to my research.

I understand that under the act, I should be entitled to a response within 20 working days.
I would be grateful if you could confirm that you have received this request. I look forward to hearing from you in the near future.

Yours faithfully,

Mr Carroll

LF-Sec-MS&E1-SO1 (Morrison, Bridget Mrs),

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Dear Mr Carroll,

Please see the attached letter acknowledging your Freedom of Information
Act Request.

Regards

Bridget Morrison |SO1 MS&E1| Land Forces Secretariat

IDL 24 |Headquarters Land Forces| Blenheim Building| Floor 2| Marlborough
Lines| ANDOVER, Hampshire| SP11 8HJ

LF-Sec-COS|LF-SEC-&GROUP (MULTIUSER)

LF-Sec-MS&E1-SO1 (Morrison, Bridget Mrs),

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Bridget Morrison |SO1 MS&E1| Land Forces Secretariat

IDL 24 |Headquarters Land Forces| Blenheim Building| Floor 2| Marlborough
Lines| ANDOVER, Hampshire| SP11 8HJ

LF-Sec-COS|LF-SEC-&GROUP (MULTIUSER)

Dear LF-Sec-MS&E1-SO1 (Morrison, Bridget Mrs),

Concerning my recent FOI request 20110426 FOI 135242 65083 ,and your subsequent reply, I am seeking an informal resolution to my request, which I believe hs not been answered in the way in which the question was phrased.

"Can you confirm if you still hold any publications concerning these second world war artefacts issued to the Home Guard? Can you give a list of such publications that you hold in order for me to assess which of these may be most relevant to my research."
You replied
"The Ministry of Defence does hold some information dating back to this time its archives. Regrettably there is no computerised record of exactly what is held, so in order to identify whether or not the information you have asked for is there would require a manual search of many hundreds of boxes – possibly more. To undertake this task would breach the appropriate cost limit which is specified in regulations and for central government is set at £600."
I wish to clarify that I am not seeking ONLY publictions dating back to the conflict of WW2.
You have indicated that you DO hold information relating to this subject, but have not been able to look for all publications due to the cost limitations.
This puzzles me for the following reasons.
In a request answered by yourself Ref.Request for Information - 04-03-2010-113146-001 – Destruction of Military Weapons at Rattlechain Tip
you stated
"We believe that the particular items to which you refer are in fact Grenades Incendiary Hand or Projector Anti Tank No76 (Self Igniting Phosphorous (SIP)), a diagram of which is attached"
This diagram contained the caption "plate 7" above the diagram- thus indicating that this drawing had been copied from a publiction containing more information. Consequently I have to ask is this not a publication, at least in part, relating to the SIP NO 76 grenades?
Could you therefore supply me with the full publiction to which this extract was taken, which you do hold AND were able to find without an exhaustive search of boxes?
In a request to the HPA concerning a publication which relates to the discovery of some of these grenades in Wiltshire, HPA Published Document “Chemical Hazards and Poisons Report from the Chemical Hazards and Poisons Division – September 2007 Issue 10” - “Discovery of World War II Special Incendiary Phosphorous (SIP) Grenades in a Wiltshire garden”
they replied

"We have consulted with the author of the above report regarding the source of the statement you have quoted, and they have confirmed that the source was a publication loaned to the author by the Ministry of Defence, which was subsequently returned. I can therefore confirm for the purposes of the Environmental Information Regulations, the information is not held by the Health Protection Agency (HPA)."

Can I therefore ask you as to what this publication was, and given that you were able to both find and loan it to the author of the report, can you not release this document to myself?
Concerning your subject matter experts refered to previously, is there not some publiction that EOD teams receive regarding identification of these weapons which you are able to find nd release to me?
Finally could you confirm that in another FOI request refFOI REQUEST PF 12-05-2010-160551-002 youb stated

"I have contacted my subject matter experts who are responsible for the disposal of ordnance. They confirm that they do not have any archived information of this sort held at the Joint Service Explosive Ordnance Disposal Operations Centre, and would be very surprised if anyone has retained that information, if it ever existed in the first place. While we cannot begin to guess at the disposition of the 7.25 million bottles you refer to it seems plain that not all of them were properly recovered and disposed of following WW2."
Could you confirm that there MAY be informtion of this sort held in the uncatologued boxes to which you refered in my latest request, but that this would imply the cost limits to which you previously refered?
I hope that you will be able to respond to my questions promptly.

Yours sincerely,

Mr Carroll

LF-Sec-MS&E1-SO1 (Morrison, Bridget Mrs),

Dear Mr Carroll,

Thank you for your e-mail. I will look into the case again, along with
what was said in answer to previous requests and your clarification. I
will get back to you as soon as possible.

Kind regards,

Bridget Morrison |SO1 MS&E1| Land Forces Secretariat

IDL 24 |Headquarters Land Forces| Blenheim Building| Floor 2|

Marlborough

Lines| ANDOVER, Hampshire| SP11 8HJ

LF-Sec-COS|LF-SEC-&GROUP (MULTIUSER)

LF-Sec-MS&E1-SO1 (Morrison, Bridget Mrs),

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Dear Mr Carroll,

Please see then attached letter in response to your request that I look
again at your question.

I hope that this is helpful.

Bridget Morrison |SO1 MS&E1| Land Forces Secretariat

IDL 24 |Headquarters Land Forces| Blenheim Building| Floor 2| Marlborough
Lines| ANDOVER, Hampshire| SP11 8HJ

LF-SEC-&GROUP (MULTIUSER)

Dear LF-Sec-MS&E1-SO1 (Morrison, Bridget Mrs),

Thankyou for your response, and I would be most grateful if you could forward me "Ammunition and Explosives Regulations (Land Service), Volume 4 - Identification of Unexploded Explosive Ordnance, Pamphlet 13 - British Service Grenades" that refers to the SIP grenades.

Yours sincerely,

Mr Carroll

LF-Sec-MS&E1-SO1 (Morrison, Bridget Mrs),

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Dear Mr Carroll,

Please find attached the extract from the document as requested.

Kind regards

Bridget Morrison |SO1 MS&E1| Land Forces Secretariat

IDL 24 |Headquarters Land Forces| Blenheim Building| Floor 2| Marlborough
Lines| ANDOVER, Hampshire| SP11 8HJ

LF-SEC-&GROUP (MULTIUSER)