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Dear Metropolitan Police Service (MPS),

A meeting planned for 9 August 2017 of the Keep Talking group at the Millman Street Centre, operated by Camden Council, was cancelled by the Centre the day before the meeting was to be held. They informed me, “Our decision follows advice received from the Metropolitan Police about public order disturbances related to past events involving your group”. I requested information on this from the Metropolitan Police, and received a reply from Kentish Town Police Station, saying that they had not cancelled the meeting, but they avoided my requests for information on communications between themselves and the Millman Street Centre which could have led to the cancellation of the meeting. They acknowledged that the “Metropolitan Police Service has no record of events organised by the group Keep Talking attracting public disorder”, but they continued with a vague and ambiguous paragraph which would imply to most people that the opposite was true. I asked for clarification, but they ignored my request.

I am now asking the Metropolitan Police to disclose to me, under the Freedom of Information Act 2000, any correspondence relating to the planned meeting of Keep Talking at the Millman Street Centre, whether with the Millman Centre, Camden Council, or some third party, such as Antifa, and any other documentation relating to this planned meeting.

Yours faithfully,

Ian Fantom

Metropolitan Police Service (MPS)

Dear Mr Fantom

 

Freedom of Information Request Reference No: PD025

 

I write in connection with your request for information which was received
by the Metropolitan Police Service (MPS) on 30 August 2018. letter .  I
note you seek access to the following information:

 

Dear Metropolitan Police Service (MPS),

 

A  meeting planned for 9 August 2017 of the Keep Talking group at the
Millman Street Centre, operated by Camden Council, was cancelled by the
Centre the day before the meeting was to be held. They informed me, “Our
decision follows advice received from the Metropolitan Police about public
order disturbances related to past events involving your group”. I
requested information on this from the Metropolitan Police, and received a
reply from Kentish Town Police Station, saying that they had not cancelled
the meeting, but they avoided my requests for information on
communications between themselves and the Millman Street Centre which
could have led to the cancellation of the meeting. They acknowledged that
the “Metropolitan Police Service has no record of events organised by the
group Keep Talking attracting public disorder”, but they continued with a
vague and ambiguous paragraph which would imply to most people that the
opposite was true. I asked for clarification, but they ignored my request.

 

I am now asking the Metropolitan Police to disclose to me, under the
Freedom of Information Act 2000, any correspondence relating to the
planned meeting of Keep Talking at the Millman Street Centre, whether with
the Millman Centre, Camden Council, or some third party, such as Antifa,
and any other documentation relating to this planned meeting.

 

 

 

Your request will now be considered in accordance with the Freedom of
Information Act 2000 (the Act).  You will receive a response within the
statutory timescale of 20 working days as defined by the Act. 

 

If you have any further enquiries concerning this matter, please contact
us at [email address] or on the phone at 0207 161 3500, quoting the
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will be able to pass on a message and/or advise you of the relevant
contact details.

 

Yours sincerely

 

 

 

Peter Deja

Support Officer

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Case reference: 2018090000658

Dear Mr Fantom,

Please accept my sincere apologies for the delay in responding to this
request.

I have today chased the relevant unit and hope to be able to respond to
you within the next few days.

In the meantime, I would like to thank you for your patience in the
matter.

Kind regards,

Suzanne Mason
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Case reference: 2018090000658

Dear Mr Fantom,

Please accept my sincere apologies for the continued delay in responding
to your request.

I am still awaiting information but hope to be able to get back to you
within the next week or so.

Thanking you for your continued patience in the matter.

Kind regards,
Suzanne Mason

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Dear Metropolitan Police Service (MPS),
Case reference: 2018090000658: 'Information concerning cancelling of Keep Talking meeting on police advice'.

A response from you regarding the above Freedom of Information Request is long overdue. By law, under all circumstances, the police authority should have responded by now. I have received two acknowledgments from you, but no explanation of the delay. I would like the review to look into the question of why the police were able to intervene at short notice in contacting the Millman Street Community Centre, leading to the cancellation of the Keep Talking meeting, but has not responded within weeks to my request for information concerning that intervention.

Yours faithfully,

Ian Fantom

Metropolitan Police Service (MPS)

Dear Mr Fantom

Freedom of Information Review Reference No: 2018110000115

I write in connection with your request for a review of the handling
and/or decision relating to  2018090000658 which was received by the
Metropolitan Police Service (MPS) on  26/10/2018.  

A review will now be conducted in accordance with the Code of Practice
issued under Section 45 of the Freedom of Information Act 2000 (the Act).
 The reviewing officer will reconsider the original request before
responding to you with their findings.

There is no statutory time limit in relation to the completion of an
Internal Review.  However, the MPS aim to complete Internal Reviews within
20 working days or in exceptional cases, within 40 working days.  This is
based upon guidance published by the Information Commissioner.

If it is not possible to complete the Internal Review within this
timescale you will be informed at the earliest opportunity.

If you are unhappy with the outcome of an Internal Review you may wish to
refer the matter to the Information Commissioner's Office (ICO).

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Yours sincerely

Peter Deja
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Dear Mr Fantom

Freedom of Information Review Reference No: 2018110000115

Further to our earlier correspondence dated 02/11/2018, I am now able to
provide a response to your complaint concerning Freedom of Information Act
(FOIA) request reference number: 2018090000658.  

Section 10(1) of the Freedom of Information Act 2000 states:

'Subject to subsections (2) and (3), a public authority must comply with
section 1(1) promptly and in any event not later than the twentieth
working day following the date of receipt.'

In the circumstances of your request, neither the information requested
nor a refusal notice was provided to you within 20 working days.
Therefore, the MPS have not complied with the requirements of section 10
of the Act.

With respect to the delay in providing you with a response, I have made
enquiries with the Information Manager (IM) with responsibility for your
request and they have advised me that a response has been drafted but it
is currently awaiting approval and quality assurance by the business areas
concerned. I have asked the IM to conclude your request as a matter of
urgency.

As a response to your request is currently outstanding, I am unable to
complete a full internal review in relation to your request. However,
should you be dissatisfied with the MPS response to your request, you may
request an internal review in relation to the decision.

I would like to take this opportunity to apologise on behalf of the MPS
for any inconvenience caused by the time taken to respond to your Freedom
of Information Act request.

The progress of your request will continue to be monitored.

Yours sincerely

Yvette Taylor
Information Manager

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Case reference: 2018090000658

Dear Mr Fantom,

Please accept my sincere apologies for the extended delay in responding to
your request.

I am still awaiting information from the business unit.  As soon as I hear
from the unit, I will get back to you.

I apologise once again and I thank you for your patience in the matter.

Kind regards,

Suzanne Mason
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Case reference: 2018090000658

Dear Mr Fantom,

FREEDOM OF INFORMATION REQUEST REFERENCE NO: 2018090000658

Thank you for your request for information which was received by the
Metropolitan Police Service (MPS) on 09 September 2018, seeking access to
the following information:

Dear Metropolitan Police Service (MPS),
A  meeting planned for 9 August 2017 of the Keep Talking group at the
Millman Street Centre, operated by Camden Council, was cancelled by the
Centre the day before the meeting was to be held. They informed me, "Our
decision follows advice received from the Metropolitan Police about public
order disturbances related to past events involving your group". I
requested information on this from the Metropolitan Police, and received a
reply from Kentish Town Police Station, saying that they had not cancelled
the meeting, but they avoided my requests for information on
communications between themselves and the Millman Street Centre which
could have led to the cancellation of the meeting. They acknowledged that
the "Metropolitan Police Service has no record of events organised by the
group Keep Talking attracting public disorder", but they continued with a
vague and ambiguous paragraph which would imply to most people that the
opposite was true. I asked for clarification, but they ignored my request.
I am now asking the Metropolitan Police to disclose to me, under the
Freedom of Information Act 2000, any correspondence relating to the
planned meeting of Keep Talking at the Millman Street Centre, whether with
the Millman Centre, Camden Council, or some third party, such as Antifa,
and any other documentation relating to this planned meeting.

In the first instance, please accept our sincere apologies for the lengthy
delay in responding to your request and thank you for your patience in the
matter.  

When a request for information is made under the Freedom of Information
Act 2000 (the Act), a public authority must inform you, when permitted,
whether the information requested is held. It must then communicate that
information to you. If a public authority decides that it cannot comply
with all or part of a request, it must cite the appropriate section or
exemption of the Act and provide you with an explanation. It is important
to note that the Act is designed to place information into the public
domain, that is, once access to information is granted to one person under
the Act, it is then considered public information and must be communicated
to any individual should a request be received. Any information released
under the Act is also published on the MPS website.

SEARCHES TO LOCATE INFORMATION
To locate the information relevant to your request searches were conducted
within the MPS which located relevant information.

DECISION
I have today decided to disclose some of the requested information.  Some
data has been withheld as it is exempt from disclosure and therefore this
response serves as a Refusal Notice under Section 17 of the Freedom of
Information Act 2000 (the Act).  

In addition, the Metropolitan Police Service can neither confirm nor deny
whether it holds any additional information pertinent to your request as
the duty in Section 1(1)(a) of the Act does not apply by virtue of the
following exemptions:

1.        Section 31(3) Law Enforcement
2.        Section 40(5) Personal Information

Please see the legal annex for further information on the exemptions
applied in respect of your request.

REASONS FOR DECISION
Although there is some information within the public domain about this
event,
 (https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/neo-n...),
release of any information under FOIA is a disclosure to the world, not
just to the individual making the request.  To confirm or deny whether
information is or is not held in respect of this event may reveal what
groups and individuals have been/are of interest to the MPS, what
intelligence has been gathered and through what means.  

To confirm or deny whether the information requested exists, could also
publicly reveal information about an individual or individuals, thereby
breaching the right to privacy afforded to people under the Data
Protection Act 2018 (DPA) and the General Data Protection Regulation
(GDPR).

Please note that this response should not be taken as an indication of
whether or not the requested information is held.

DISCLOSURE
I have included below 'If Asked' press lines from our Communications
Department which was sent to a journalist at the International Business
Times in response to a request.  

Press Lines:
IF ASKED: Can confirm officers spoke to the management of the Millman
Street Centre, Holborn regarding matters of security in relation to an
event that was due to be held there on 9 August. The venue subsequently
took the decision to cancel the booking for the event.

Should you have any further enquiries concerning this matter, please
contact me via email at [email address], quoting the reference
number above.

Kind regards,

Suzanne Mason
Information Manager

 
LEGAL ANNEX

Section 17(1) of the Act provides:

(1)        A public authority which, in relation to any request for
information, is to any extent relying on a claim that any provision in
part II relating to the duty to confirm or deny is relevant to the request
or on a claim that information is exempt information must, within the time
for complying with section 1(1), give the applicant a notice which-

(a) states the fact,
(b) specifies the exemption in question, and
(c) states (if that would not otherwise be apparent) why the exemption
applies.

Section 31(3)) of the Law Enforcement Act provides:
The duty to confirm or deny does not arise if, or to the extent that,
compliance with section 1(1)(a) would, or would be likely to, prejudice
any of the matters mentioned in subsection (1).
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/200...

Section 31 is a prejudice based qualified exemption and there is a
requirement to articulate the harm that would be caused if the information
requested is released and I am required to carry out a public interest
test.

Overall Harm for Section 31
A Freedom of Information Act request is not a private transaction.  Both
the request itself, and any information disclosed, are considered suitable
for open publication. This is because, under the Act, any information
provided is released into the wider public domain, effectively to the
world, not just to an individual.
This request for information seeks to establish whether the MPS is in
possession of any correspondence relating to the planned meeting of Keep
Talking at the Millman Street Centre.  Any information released under the
Act is published on the MPS Website and the MPS has no control over what
use is made of that information.  Release of information if held,
concerning this planned event could compromise future law enforcement
tactics and provide an operational advantage to individuals intent on
carrying out criminal behaviours with regard to security and crime
prevention.  

Public safety is of paramount importance to the MPS and modern-day
policing is intelligence-led and this is particularly pertinent with
regard to law enforcement crime prevention.  The public expect police
forces to use all powers and tactics available to them to prevent and
detect crime or disorder and maintain public safety.

Public Interest Test
The public interest is defined not as what the public might find
interesting but there must be some tangible benefit to the public in the
disclosure of the interest.

Public Interest Considerations Favouring Disclosure - S.31
Confirming or denying that information relevant to the request exists, may
lead to better public awareness into how the MPS functions and makes
decisions.   This may also lead to more information (intelligence) being
submitted from the public which can result in a reduction of crime.

Public Interest Considerations Favouring non-Disclosure S.31
Confirming or denying that information exists, could compromise the
effective delivery of operational law enforcement, by identifying what
groups and individuals have been/are of interest, what intelligence has
been gathered and through what means.  This would undermine the tactical
options available to the MPS.

Balancing Test

The security of the country is of paramount importance and the MPS will
not divulge whether information is or is not held if to do so would
compromise law enforcement and place the safety of individual(s) at risk.
Whilst there is a public interest in the transparency of policing
operations and in this case, confirming or denying whether any
correspondence exists in relation to this planned event, there is a very
strong public interest in safeguarding the integrity of police
investigations and operations.

After weighing up the competing interests, I have determined that the
disclosure of the requested information if held, would not be in the
public interest.  I consider that any benefit that may result, does not
outweigh the considerations favouring non-disclosure.
There is a very strong public interest in safeguarding both national
security and the integrity of police operations when delivering effective
operational law enforcement to ensure the prevention and detection of
crime is carried out and the effective apprehension or prosecution of
offenders is maintained.
It is therefore our opinion that for these issues, the balance test
favours neither confirming nor denying that information exists.

None of the above can be viewed as an inference that information does or
does not exist.

Section 40(5)(b)(a)(i) of the Personal Information Act provides:
5(b) The duty to confirm or deny does not arise in relation to other
information if or to the extent that any of the following applies-
(a) giving a member of the public the confirmation or denial that would
have to be given to comply with section 1(1)(a)-
(i) would (apart from this Act) contravene any of the data protection
principles, or

Section 40(5) of the Act is an absolute class based exemption. In claiming
this exemption, there is no requirement to consider whether confirming or
denying if information is held is in the public interest.

This request for information seeks to establish whether the MPS is in
possession of any correspondence relating to the planned meeting of Keep
Talking at the Millman Street Centre.  To confirm or deny whether any
correspondence is held could identify names of individuals who would have
no reasonable expectation that their views could be made known publicly.
To do so would present an unreasonable risk of identification, if any
information is held.  Providing an answer in confirmation or denial that
information is held would accordingly, reveal personal data and be in
breach of the general right to privacy provided by the Data Protection Act
2018 (DPA).

In complying with their statutory duty under sections 1 and 11 of the
Freedom of Information Act 2000 to release the enclosed information, the
Metropolitan Police Service will not breach the Copyright, Designs and
Patents Act 1988. However, the rights of the copyright owner of the
enclosed information will continue to be protected by law.  Applications
for the copyright owner's written permission to reproduce any part of the
attached information should be addressed to MPS Directorate of Legal
Services, 10 Lambs Conduit Street, London, WC1N 3NR.

 
COMPLAINT RIGHTS

Are you unhappy with how your request has been handled or do you think the
decision is incorrect?

You have the right to require the Metropolitan Police Service (MPS) to
review their decision.

Prior to lodging a formal complaint you are welcome to discuss the
response with the case officer who dealt with your request.  

Complaint
If you are dissatisfied with the handling procedures or the decision of
the MPS made under the Freedom of Information Act 2000 (the Act) regarding
access to information you can lodge a complaint with the MPS to have the
decision reviewed.

Complaints should be made in writing, within forty (40) working days from
the date of the refusal notice, and addressed to:

FOI Complaint
Information Rights Unit
PO Box 57192
London
SW6 1SF
[email address]

In all possible circumstances the MPS will aim to respond to your
complaint within 20 working days.

The Information Commissioner
After lodging a complaint with the MPS if you are still dissatisfied with
the decision you may make application to the Information Commissioner for
a decision on whether the request for information has been dealt with in
accordance with the requirements of the Act.

For information on how to make application to the Information Commissioner
please visit their website at www.ico.org.uk.  Alternatively, write to or
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Information Commissioner's Office
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Phone: 0303 123 1113

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