Information Commission's office has described Northumbria Police delay (10 month to date) of Martin McGartland SAR as "preposterous"

Martin McGartland made this Freedom of Information request to Northumbria Police This request has been closed to new correspondence. Contact us if you think it should be reopened.

The request was refused by Northumbria Police.

Martin McGartland
14 November 2016

Dear Northumbria Police,

The Information Commission's office has described Northumbria Police's delay in answering my Subject Access Request as "preposterous", preposterous, meaning: "contrary to reason or common sense; utterly absurd or ridiculous." - "a preposterous suggestion" , absurd, ridiculous, foolish, stupid, ludicrous, farcical, laughable, comical, risible, hare-brained, asinine, inane, nonsensical, pointless, senseless, insane, unreasonable, irrational, illogical....."

My SAR was made over 10 months ago and it has still not been answered. That is insane (preposterous).

I would like to know;

1. How many Subject Access Requests (SARs) have not been answered within the 40 day limit?
2. How many SARs have been delayed by more than 3 months?
3. How many SARs have been delayed by more than 6 months?
4. How many SARs have been delayed by more than 9 months?
5. How many SARs have been delayed by more than 12 months?
Regards parts 2 , 3 , 4 and 5 - I would like the information relating to all SARs to be broken down into date order from;
14/11/2011 - 14/11/2012
14/11/2012 - 14/11/2013
14/11/2013 - 14/11/2014
14/11/2014 - 14/11/2015
14/11/2015 - 14/11/2016

Please explain reasons for all delays which relate to parts 2, 3 , 4 and 5 of my request.

6. In the previous 5 years have Northumbria Police paid any compensation for any breaches by them of the DPA or because of delays in answering SARs?
7. I would like to know what amounts of compensation have been paid by Northumbria police in previous 5 years and relating to parts 2 , 3 , 4 , 5 and 6 of the request.

Yours faithfully,

Martin McGartland

Northumbria Police

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Provision of information held by Northumbria Police made under the Freedom
of Information Act 2000 (the 'Act')

Thank you for your e mail dated 14 November 2016 in which you made a
request for access to certain information which may be held by Northumbria
Police.

As you may be aware the purpose of the Act is to allow a general right of
access to information held at the time of a request, by a Public Authority
(including the Police), subject to certain limitations and exemptions.
 
You asked:

The Information Commission's office has described Northumbria Police's
delay in answering my Subject Access Request  as "preposterous",
 preposterous, meaning:  "contrary to reason or common sense; utterly
absurd or ridiculous." - "a preposterous suggestion" , absurd, ridiculous,
foolish, stupid, ludicrous, farcical, laughable, comical, risible,
hare-brained, asinine, inane, nonsensical, pointless, senseless, insane,
unreasonable, irrational, illogical....."

My SAR was made over 10 months ago and it has still not been answered.
That is insane (preposterous).

I would like to know;

1.      How many Subject Access Requests (SARs) have not been answered
within the 40 day limit?
2.      How  many SARs have been delayed by more than 3 months?
3.      How many SARs have been delayed by more than 6 months?
4.      How many SARs have been delayed by more than 9 months?
5.      How many SARs have been delayed by more than 12 months?
Regards parts 2 , 3 , 4 and 5 - I would like the information relating to
all SARs to be broken down into date order from;
14/11/2011 - 14/11/2012      
14/11/2012 - 14/11/2013
14/11/2013 - 14/11/2014
14/11/2014 - 14/11/2015
14/11/2015 - 14/11/2016

Please explain reasons for all delays which relate to parts 2, 3 , 4 and 5
of my request.

6.   In the previous 5 years have Northumbria Police paid any compensation
for any breaches by them of the DPA or because of delays in answering
SARs?
7.  I would like to know what amounts of compensation have been paid by
Northumbria police in previous 5 years and relating to parts  2 , 3  , 4,
5 and 6  of  the request.  

We have now had the opportunity to fully consider your request and I
provide a response for your attention.

Following receipt of your request, searches were conducted within
Northumbria Police. I can confirm that the information you have requested
is held in part by Northumbria Police, however cannot be disclosed as the
information you have requested is not held in a format that can be
retrieved within the time limits of the Act.
To provide information which meets the criteria of your request,
particularly at questions 2 to 5, would entail a member of staff manually
reviewing all of the scanned requests we have received/recorded and
calculating the number of days between date of receipt of the request and
date of the response to determine into which category they fall.
Initial indications are this would involve over 1,600 scanned requests for
information during the time period requested.  Even at a conservative
estimate of 5 minutes per record, which we have considered as reasonable,
we have estimated that to extract this information would take over 133
hours, therefore Section 12 of the Freedom of Information Act would apply.
 This section does not oblige a public authority to comply with a request
for information if the authority estimated that the cost of complying with
the request would exceed the appropriate limit of 18 hours, equating to
£450.00
You should consider this to be a refusal notice under Section 17 of the
Act for that part of your request.

We can advise in response to question 1 that the right of Subject Access
was written into the Data Protection Act 1984 as well as The Data
Protection Act 1998. We do not hold records of subject access requests
dating back to 1984 (or back to 1998). Accordingly we are not able to
search to determine if any exceeded the 40 day time limit.
As part of your request would exceed the prescribed limit, as defined by
the Act, there is no requirement for Northumbria Police to provide a
response to the remaining parts of your request.  However, in order to
provide you with some assistance, under Section 16 of the Freedom of
Information Act 2000, an initial assessment of the information that may be
provided within the time constraints would be as follows
"1.     On the date my request is received how many Subject Access
Requests (SARs) are currently outstanding over the 40 day limit?
2.     On the date my request is received how many SARs have been delayed
by more than 3 months?
3.     On the date my request is received how many SARs have been delayed
by more than 6 months?
4.     On the date my request is received how many SARs have been delayed
by more than 9 months?
5.     On the date my request is received how many SARs have been delayed
by more than 12 months?
6.     For the period 14/11/11 to 14/11/16 have Northumbria Police paid
any compensation for any breaches by them of the DPA or because of delays
in answering SARs?
7.  I would like to know what amounts of compensation have been paid by
Northumbria Police relating to part 6  of  the request."
 
If that would be useful you may wish to define and resubmit your request
accordingly
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Dear Northumbria Police,

Would you please carry out a review of this request. The force must have some type of system in place which logs, records subject access requests which have been delayed by up to one year or more. Would the information manager, other staff (yourself included) not have details of such cases. Are there no records relating to DPA requesters complaining about delay in answering their request. There could also have been complaints to ICO as well as contact between them and NP regarding delayed requests ETC ?

The amont of time NP have claimed it would take to answer parts of this request must surely have been plucked out of thin air.

Yours faithfully,

Martin McGartland

Northumbria Police

Dear Martin, your request for an Internal Review of FOI 1261/16 has been
received.

We shall get back to you as soon as this is concluded.

Regards

Peter Storey
Information Management Unit

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Martin McGartland

Martin McGartland

20 January 2017

Dear Northumbria Police,

I asked for a review on 12 December 2016 but I have not had a reply. I have made a complaint to the ICO and I have asked them to issue a decision notice.

Yours faithfully,

Martin McGartland

Northumbria Police

Provision of information held by Northumbria Police made under the Freedom
of Information Act 2000 (the 'Act')

Thank you for your correspondence dated 12 December 2016 in which you
requested a review of the response to your request for access to certain
information which may be held by Northumbria Police.

As you may be aware the purpose of the Act is to allow a general right of
access to information held by a Public Authority (including the Police)
subject to certain limitations and exemptions

You asked:

The Information Commission's office has described Northumbria Police's
delay in answering my Subject Access Request as "preposterous",
preposterous, meaning: "contrary to reason or common sense; utterly absurd
or ridiculous." - "a preposterous suggestion" , absurd, ridiculous,
foolish, stupid, ludicrous, farcical, laughable, comical, risible,
hare-brained, asinine, inane, nonsensical, pointless, senseless, insane,
unreasonable, irrational, illogical....."

My SAR was made over 10 months ago and it has still not been answered. That
is insane (preposterous).

I would like to know;

1. How many Subject Access Requests (SARs) have not been answered
within the 40 day limit?
2. How many SARs have been delayed by more than 3 months?
3. How many SARs have been delayed by more than 6 months?
4. How many SARs have been delayed by more than 9 months?
5. How many SARs have been delayed by more than 12 months?
Regards parts 2 , 3 , 4 and 5 - I would like the information relating to
all SARs to be broken down into date order from;
14/11/2011 - 14/11/2012
14/11/2012 - 14/11/2013
14/11/2013 - 14/11/2014
14/11/2014 - 14/11/2015
14/11/2015 - 14/11/2016

Please explain reasons for all delays which relate to parts 2, 3 , 4 and 5
of my request.

6. In the previous 5 years have Northumbria Police paid any compensation
for any breaches by them of the DPA or because of delays in answering SARs?
7. I would like to know what amounts of compensation have been paid by
Northumbria police in previous 5 years and relating to parts 2 , 3 , 4, 5
and 6 of the request.

In response we advised:

We have now had the opportunity to fully consider your request and I
provide a response for your attention.

Following receipt of your request, searches were conducted within
Northumbria Police. I can confirm that the information you have requested
is held in part by Northumbria Police, however cannot be disclosed as the
information you have requested is not held in a format that can be
retrieved within the time limits of the Act.
To provide information which meets the criteria of your request,
particularly at questions 2 to 5, would entail a member of staff manually
reviewing all of the scanned requests we have received/recorded and
calculating the number of days between date of receipt of the request and
date of the response to determine into which category they fall.
Initial indications are this would involve over 1,600 scanned requests for
information during the time period requested. Even at a conservative
estimate of 5 minutes per record, which we have considered as reasonable,
we have estimated that to extract this information would take over 133
hours, therefore Section 12 of the Freedom of Information Act would apply.
This section does not oblige a public authority to comply with a request
for information if the authority estimated that the cost of complying with
the request would exceed the appropriate limit of 18 hours, equating to
£450.00

You should consider this to be a refusal notice under Section 17 of the Act
for that part of your request.

We can advise in response to question 1 that the right of Subject Access
was written into the Data Protection Act 1984 as well as The Data
Protection Act 1998. We do not hold records of subject access requests
dating back to 1984 (or back to 1998). Accordingly we are not able to
search to determine if any exceeded the 40 day time limit.

As part of your request would exceed the prescribed limit, as defined by
the Act, there is no requirement for Northumbria Police to provide a
response to the remaining parts of your request. However, in order to
provide you with some assistance, under Section 16 of the Freedom of
Information Act 2000, an initial assessment of the information that may be
provided within the time constraints would be as follows

"1. On the date my request is received how many Subject Access Requests
(SARs) are currently outstanding over the 40 day limit?
2. On the date my request is received how many SARs have been delayed
by more than 3 months?
3. On the date my request is received how many SARs have been delayed
by more than 6 months?
4. On the date my request is received how many SARs have been delayed
by more than 9 months?
5. On the date my request is received how many SARs have been delayed
by more than 12 months?
6. For the period 14/11/11 to 14/11/16 have Northumbria Police paid any
compensation for any breaches by them of the DPA or because of delays in
answering SARs?
7. I would like to know what amounts of compensation have been paid by
Northumbria Police relating to part 6 of the request."

If that would be useful you may wish to define and resubmit your request
accordingly

Your request for Internal review stated:

Would you please carry out a review of this request. The force must have
some type of system in place which logs, records subject access requests
which have been delayed by up to one year or more. Would the information
manager, other staff (yourself included) not have details of such cases.
Are there no records relating to DPA requesters complaining about delay in
answering their request. There could also have been complaints to ICO as
well as contact between them and NP regarding delayed requests ETC ?

The amont of time NP have claimed it would take to answer parts of this
request must surely have been plucked out of thin air.

In response :

The Information Management Unit records and scans all subject access
requests received.

While the requests are on-going, they are recorded as such and can be
tracked. When viewing all ongoing requests, a traffic light system is
viewable which indicates the requests that are approaching or over the 40
day limit. It is therefore possible to view a live "snap-shot" of the
status of open requests. however this is a live system only and cannot be
used to view historical situations. This further explains the reasoning
behind the proposed revised request that was suggested to you.

However once responses are sent, these are closed. There is no management
tool to review closed requests as a whole in order to extract the type of
information you have requested. Therefore to attempt to extract the data
requested would involve a manual review of all the requests dealt with in
the time period requested taking note of the arrival date and the despatch
date for each request to calculate the time to respond.

Regarding complaints to the ICO I can advise that there are requests that
do take over 40 days and some of those requestors may have complained to
the Information Commissioner's Office. However the number of complaints
received would be no indication of how many requests during the period
were delayed.

Regarding the time to extract the information, it has been verified through
sampling that it would take approximately 5 minutes per record to extract
data from each request received in order to satisfy your request.

In conclusion, it is the decision of this review that the original response
was fully appropriate and the proposed revised request complied with the
requirements to aid and assist.

If you remain dissatisfied with the outcome of this review then it remains
open to you to refer this matter to the Information Commissioner at the
following address:

The Information Commissioner’s Office
Wycliffe House
Water Lane
Wilmslow
Cheshire
SK9 5AF

Yours sincerely
Hayley Morrison
Information Management Unit ManagerNORTHUMBRIA POLICE PRIVACY AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE

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