Dear West Midlands Police,

1} Can you clarify if police officers have discretion whether they have in-house checks for criminal records? Yes or No will suffice.

2} At what intervals do the annual checks take place for criminal records checks of police officers and does this apply for all UK police forces in generic terms and if not, can you explain why their is no continuity please?

3} As these criminal records checks take place in-house, how can this be lawful?

Yours faithfully,

peter danby

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Dear Mr Danby

 

FOI Request Reference: 017305/19

 

Thank you for your request for information, received 02/10/2019

 

REQUEST

1} Can you clarify if police officers have discretion whether they have
in-house checks for criminal records?

2} At what intervals do the annual checks take place for criminal records
checks of police officers and does this apply for all UK police forces in
generic terms and if not, can you explain why there is no continuity
please?

 

RESPONSE

Please be advised that all police officers and police staff employed by
West Midlands Police are vetted in line with National Vetting APP
(Authorised Professional Practice). National Vetting APP applies to all
forces.

 

The minimum check is Recruit Vetting, with timelines identified by APP.
Recruit vetting is completed on entry to the service and at least every
ten years. It is mandatory and officers/staff have no influence over which
checks are completed.

 

Other levels of vetting are completed dependent on role. These are all
identified in Vetting APP.

 

[1]http://library.college.police.uk/docs/ap...

 

 

3} As these criminal records checks take place in-house, how can this be
lawful?

 

RESPONSE

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request as it does not fulfil Section 8 of the Act. It is not a request
for specific recorded information and the Act only extends to requests for
recorded information.  It does not require public authorities to answer
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I hope that this is of assistance

 

Yours sincerely,

 

Mrs R Williams

 

 

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Dear Mrs R Williams,

The validity of your response does not correlate with data showing annual checks every 10 years, each corporate police force does not follow rules adequately as a business. Ten percent of the police workforce's did not have up to date vetting in 2018.

Your links do not give a factual reply.

Convicted paedophile PCSO Peter Bunyan of Devon and Cornwall police did not have a CRB disclosure back in the day, as they stated, (no police officer has a CRB/DBS check in any case). Many more police staff are not checked with internal checks for criminal records.

I request a internal review.

Kind regards

peter

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Dear Mr Danby

 

FOI Internal Review Reference: 019283/19

 

Thank you for your correspondence, received 4^th November 2019 where you
requested West Midlands Police to review its response to your request for
information concerning Police Officer vetting.

On 2^nd October 2019 you requested information in relation to if Police
Officers have discretion whether they have in-house checks for criminal
records, at what intervals do the annual checks take place for criminal
records checks of Police Officers, and if this applies for all UK police
forces.

The force responded on 10^th October 2019 and advised that all Police
Officers and Police staff employed by West Midlands Police are vetted in
line with National Vetting APP (Authorised Professional Practice).
National Vetting APP applies to all forces.

The minimum check is Recruit Vetting, with timelines identified by APP.
Recruit vetting is completed on entry to the service and at least every
ten years. It is mandatory and officers/staff have no influence over which
checks are completed. The force also advised that other levels of vetting
are completed dependent on role. These are all identified in Vetting APP.

 

REQUEST

You have requested the force to review its response on the basis that you
believe that

o The validity of the response does not correlate with data showing
annual checks every 10 years,
o each corporate police force does not follow rules adequately as a
business.
o Ten percent of the police workforce's did not have up to date vetting
in 2018.
o Convicted paedophile PCSO Peter Bunyan of Devon and Cornwall police
did not have a CRB disclosure back in the day and many more police
staff are not checked with internal checks for criminal records.

 

RESPONSE

The response provided on 10^th October 2019 has now been reviewed and the
force maintains that your request was answered on a proper basis. Specific
recorded information that was held was provided and each of the questions
submitted was responded to.

In relation to the points that you have raised as an internal review,
Please be advised that these sit outside of the questions submitted for
your request. Your request has been answered with the recorded information
held, and the Act only extends to requests for recorded information.  It
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they already hold the answers in recorded form.  The Act does not extend
to requests for information about policies or their implementation and the
authority does not have to answer your question/s if this would mean
creating new information or giving an opinion or judgement that is not
already recorded.

 

I hope that this is of assistance

 

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Yours sincerely,

 

Mrs R Williams

 

 

59614 Rebecca Williams l FOI Manager

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Dear Mrs R WILLIAMS,

Although you state in your reply, all police forces comply with the statutory requirements, that is not true as i know for a fact. Each corporate police force has it's own agenda, their is no consistency throughout England, just like the statutory legislation. If we had common law in it's entirety life would be easier for us all, but legislation creates lots of money unlike common law.

I realise i am not going to get the response i expect and i conclude this is part of everyday life at the moment".

Yours sincerely,

peter