Dear Department for Transport,

Dear High Speed Two (HS2) Limited,

Please provide me with the projected journey times for the following trips using captive HS2 and classic compatible services, as is expected to be provided within the current £55.7bn funding envelope within the current project scope, and without any additional expenditure. I wish to be very specific that you should not include any assumptions for any additional expenditure on transport infrastructure outside the £55.7bn HS2 budget envelope in responding to this request. if it will not be possible to complete a proposed journey solely on hs2 trains within the provision of the current £55.7bn budget envelope, please make this clear. Please also provide the assumptions you have used for the fastest existing direct services for these journeys.

This may seem like a long list, but I would expect that given that a big deal is being made of the fact HS2 trains would serve 25 cities (though of course many aren't cities, but we'll let that one slide), you must have this data easily available, probably in table form already.

Chesterfield to Sheffield
Chesterfield to Leeds
Chesterfield to York
Chesterfield to Darlington
Chesterfield to Durham
Chesterfield to Newcastle
Chesterfield to Edinburgh
Chesterfield to Glasgow
Sheffield to Leeds
Sheffield to York
Sheffield to Darlington
Sheffield to Durham
Sheffield to Newcastle
Sheffield to Edinburgh
Sheffield to Glasgow
Leeds to York
Leeds to Darlington
Leeds to Durham
Leeds to Newcastle
Leeds to Edinburgh
Leeds to Glasgow
York to Darlington
York to Durham
York to Newcastle
York to Edinburgh
York to Glasgow
Darlington to Durham
Darlington to Newcastle
Darlington to Edinburgh
Darlington to Glasgow
Durham to Newcastle
Durham to Edinburgh
Durham to Glasgow
Newcastle to Edinburgh
Newcastle to Glasgow
Glasgow to Edinburgh
Glasgow to Carstairs
Glasgow to Lockerbie
Glasgow to Carlisle
Glasgow to Penrith
Glasgow to Oxenholme
Glasgow to Lancaster
Glasgow to Preston
Glasgow to Wigan
Glasgow to Warrington
Glasgow to Liverpool
Glasgow to Runcorn
Glasgow to Crewe
Glasgow to Stafford
Glasgow to Manchester Piccadilly
Edinburgh to Carstairs
Edinburgh to Lockerbie
Edinburgh to Carlisle
Edinburgh to Penrith
Edinburgh to Oxenholme
Edinburgh to Lancaster
Edinburgh to Preston
Edinburgh to Wigan
Edinburgh to Warrington
Edinburgh to Liverpool
Edinburgh to Runcorn
Edinburgh to Crewe
Edinburgh to Stafford
Edinburgh to Manchester Piccadilly
Carstairs to Lockerbie
Carstairs to Carlisle
Carstairs to Penrith
Carstairs to Oxenholme
Carstairs to Lancaster
Carstairs to Preston
Carstairs to Wigan
Carstairs to Warrington
Carstairs to Liverpool
Carstairs to Runcorn
Carstairs to Crewe
Carstairs to Stafford
Carstairs to Manchester Piccadilly
Lockerbie to Carlisle
Lockerbie to Penrith
Lockerbie to Oxenholme
Lockerbie to Lancaster
Lockerbie to Preston
Lockerbie to Wigan
Lockerbie to Warrington
Lockerbie to Liverpool
Lockerbie to Runcorn
Lockerbie to Crewe
Lockerbie to Stafford
Lockerbie to Manchester Piccadilly
Carlisle to Penrith
Carlisle to Oxenholme
Carlisle to Lancaster
Carlisle to Preston
Carlisle to Wigan
Carlisle to Warrington
Carlisle to Liverpool
Carlisle to Runcorn
Carlisle to Crewe
Carlisle to Stafford
Carlisle to Manchester Piccadilly
Penrith to Oxenholme
Penrith to Lancaster
Penrith to Preston
Penrith to Wigan
Penrith to Warrington
Penrith to Liverpool
Penrith to Runcorn
Penrith to Crewe
Penrith to Stafford
Penrith to Manchester Piccadilly
Oxenholme to Lancaster
Oxenholme to Preston
Oxenholme to Wigan
Oxenholme to Warrington
Oxenholme to Liverpool
Oxenholme to Runcorn
Oxenholme to Crewe
Oxenholme to Stafford
Oxenholme to Manchester Piccadilly
Lancaster to Preston
Lancaster to Wigan
Lancaster to Warrington
Lancaster to Liverpool
Lancaster to Runcorn
Lancaster to Crewe
Lancaster to Stafford
Lancaster to Manchester Piccadilly
Preston to Wigan
Preston to Warrington
Preston to Liverpool
Preston to Runcorn
Preston to Crewe
Preston to Stafford
Preston to Manchester Piccadilly
Wigan to Warrington
Wigan to Liverpool
Wigan to Runcorn
Wigan to Crewe
Wigan to Stafford
Wigan to Manchester Piccadilly
Warrington to Liverpool
Warrington to Runcorn
Warrington to Crewe
Warrington to Stafford
Warrington to Manchester Piccadilly
Liverpool to Runcorn
Liverpool to Crewe
Liverpool to Stafford
Liverpool to Manchester Piccadilly
Runcorn to Crewe
Runcorn to Stafford
Runcorn to Manchester Piccadilly
Crewe to Stafford
Crewe to Manchester Piccadilly
Stafford to Manchester Piccadilly

Yours faithfully,

Joe Rukin

Department for Transport

Dear Joe Rukin,

I am writing to acknowledge receipt of your request for information which
has been allocated reference number P0017282.

A response will be issued to you in due course.

Regards,

Ivan Pocock
Department for Transport
FOI Advice Team
Digital Service
Zone D/04
Ashdown House
Sedlescombe Road North
St Leonards on Sea
East Sussex
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Christopher Curson, Department for Transport

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Dear Mr Rukin

 

Dear Mr Rukin

 

Please find attached our response to your request under the Freedom of
Information Act,

 

Yours sincerely

 

Christopher Curson

High Speed and Major Rail Projects Group

 

Christopher Curson  |  Correspondence and Briefing, High Speed Rail Group,
Department for Transport
Zone 3/11-15 | Great Minster House, Horseferry Road, London SW1P 4DR
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Department for Transport,

Thank you for your reply, which was in the most part very useful. However, you state that I wish to query your assertion that "HS2 trains will be constrained by the conventional infrastructure and run at the speeds currently operating. Therefore our assumption is that the journey times will be the same as they are today."

However, Chapter Three of "High Speed Rail London to the West Midlands and Beyond. A Report to Government by High Speed Two Limited" (link below), paragraph 3.10.20 states quite clearly that:

"Whilst the HS2 classic-compatible trains have been specified, like the standard captive HS2 fleet, to travel at speeds of up to 360 kph on HS2, they would not be able to exploit the maximum classic line speeds on certain sections of the WCML north of Lichfield, as they would not be fitted with tilting equipment. So, over certain WCML route sections, there would be some time lost against today’s services. This has been assessed and allowed for in the modelled journey times with the assumption that classic-compatible trains would run at full classic line speed where line geometry and signalling systems permit. As the whole-route journey times demonstrate, for London journeys the limited time lost is far outweighed by the savings achieved on HS2."

https://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov....

Whilst this refers to classic compatible trains which would be in operation after Phase 1 only had been built, it specifies the specific constraint that classic compatible rolling stock must be designed to be non-tilting, otherwise it would be slower than the captive HS2 fleet whilst travelling on the captive tracks. This makes it absolutely clear that, unless a fundamental design requirement has been ignored, classic compatible journey times which are not 'the same as they are today' must have been modeled by HS2 Ltd and reported to the DfT. If they have not, I suggest you correct this fundamental error immediately.

As such, consider this a request for an internal review.

A full history of my FOI request and all correspondence is available on the Internet at this address: https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/h...

Yours faithfully,

Joe Rukin

FOI-ADVICE-TEAM-DFT, Department for Transport

Dear Mr Rukin

I am writing to acknowledge your request for an internal review. We aim to respond on or before 21 May 2019.

Yours sincerely
FOI Advice Team
Department for Transport

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FOI-ADVICE-TEAM-DFT, Department for Transport

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Dear Mr Rukin

Please see attached.

Yours sincerely
E Maloney
Foi Advice Team
Department for Transport

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