How many sick Gulf War Veterans have been denied a War Pension?

The request was partially successful.

Dear Ministry of Defence,

It was noted that in 2005 that 2885 Gulf Vets were in receipt of a War Pension. Considering MOD own estimates of at least 1in3 sick from 53,000 troops ( approx 17,000 sick) . This seems considerably low, either veterans are not being aware of their entitlement or they are being/have been denied.

Q1 What is that figure today in 2019 of 1991 Gulf Vets that are in receipt of a War Pension?

Q2 How many Gulf Vets have been denied a War Pension since 1991?

Regards,
gavin roberts

Def Strat-Stat-PQ-FOI-Mailbox (MULTIUSER), Ministry of Defence

Dear Mr Roberts,

 

Thank you for contacting the Ministry of Defence.

 

Your request for recorded information is currently being considered under
the Freedom of Information (FOI) Act 2000 with reference FOI2019/09042.

 

You are entitled to receive a written response no later than 3 September
2019.

 

Kind Regards,

 

Defence Statistics

 

 

 

 

Def Strat-Stat-Health-PQ-FOI (MULTIUSER), Ministry of Defence

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Dear Mr Roberts,

Please find attached a response to the FOI you submitted to the MOD on 2
August 2019.

Kind regards,

Defence Statistics Health

 

 

 

Dear Def Strat-Stat-Health-PQ-FOI (MULTIUSER),

Thankyou for your reply,

Do MOD actually record/input any data surrounding Gulf War Veterans since they were getting sick in 1991? To enable them to monitor the size of the problem at the push of a button.

If it is not the case. It would be an abhorrent negligence of 'Duty Of Care' towards it's serving soldiers at the time /GW Veterans

Please double check that this data is not available , before we make such a claim!!!

In the early 1990's estimates were made of suffering (25% -32%), please tell us that the MOD are still not guessing? and have actually been carrying out 'Duty Of Care?

Has MOD made any effort whatsover to input data, in the last 25 years in reference to suffering serving gwtroops/gw veterans?

Is there any accurate data whatsover surrounding suffering British Gulf War Veterans that is essily available?

Regards,
1 x shocked
gavin roberts/Veterans

Def Strat-Stat-Health-PQ-FOI (MULTIUSER), Ministry of Defence

Good afternoon Mr. Roberts,
 
Thank you for your email. Your FOI request (ref: FOI2019/09042) asked for
the following:
 
Q1 What is that figure today in 2019 of 1991 Gulf Vets that are in receipt
of a War Pension?
As stated in the department's response to your FOI (Ref: 2019/09042), the
MOD does hold information on Gulf Veterans in receipt of a War Pension.
However, compensation awarded under the War Pension Scheme is paid when
injury/illness has been attributed to Service, and not to a specific
exposure or event. Therefore there may be veterans in receipt of a War
Pension as a result of injury/Illness that is not attributed to their
service in the 1990/91 Gulf War. Paper claim records will have to be
manually reviewed to determine (where possible) whether awards were made
as a direct consequence of injury/illness attributed to the 1990/91 Gulf
conflict. The time required to undertake this task exceeds the cost of
compliance (as detailed below).
However, the department can provide the number of all 1990/91 Gulf
veterans in receipt of a War Pension as at 31 March 2019.
 
Q2 How many Gulf Vets have been denied a War Pension since 1991?
As stated in the department's response to your FOI, the MOD does hold
this information since 1 April 2003. Archived electronic and paper War
Pension claim records are held for the period 1991 to 31 March 2003, but
these records will have to be extracted and reviewed manually on a
case-by-case basis. The time required to undertake this task exceeds the
cost of compliance (as detailed below).
However, the department can provide the number of Gulf veterans  who have
had an unsuccessful War Pension claim between 1 April 2003 and 31 March
2019. As per Q1, this may include rejected War Pensions claims for
injury/illness unrelated to the claimant's service in the 1990/91 Gulf
conflict.
 
Section 12(1) of the FOIA is a provision which allows a public authority
to refuse to comply with a request for information where the cost of
compliance is estimated to exceed a set limit known as the appropriate
limit. Regulation 3 of the Fees Regulations states that the appropriate
limit for central government, legislative bodies and the armed forces (in
other words, those bodies covered by Part 1 of Schedule 1 of the Act) is
£600. The appropriate limit to will therefore be exceeded if it would cost
more than £600, or require more than 24 hours work for central government.
Further information on the cost of compliance can be found on the
Information Commissioner's Office website:
[1]https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlo...
 
Kind Regards,
 
Defence Statistics Health
 

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Dear Def Strat-Stat-Health-PQ-FOI (MULTIUSER),

Thankyou for your reply,

You stated that you have the total number of War pensions/Compensation Schemes of Gulf War vetrans that have been rejected/denied between 2003 and 2019, but did not put the figure in the reply.

Please could you forward the figure that you have,

Regards

Gavin Roberts

Yours sincerely,

gavin roberts

Def Strat-Stat-Health-PQ-FOI (MULTIUSER), Ministry of Defence

Good afternoon Mr Roberts,

Thank you for your email. We have acknowledged that you are requesting this information, and it will be logged as a new FOI.

Kind Regards,

Defence Statistics Health

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Dear Def Strat-Stat-Health-PQ-FOI (MULTIUSER),

Thankyou for the reply,

I do not agree that it should be treated as a new request.

I originally requested how many Gulf War 91 Veterans have been denied a War Pension. Your reply was you could only give the figure from 2003-- 2019, as prior to that would take more than 24 hours and £600.

However you failed to put the total figure in between 2003--2019.

So to request this figure, is in fact not a new request, but part of the original request, therefore please forward this figure on and into the public domain.

Thankyou in advance

Regards

gavin roberts

Def Strat-Stat-PQ-FOI-Mailbox (MULTIUSER), Ministry of Defence

Dear Mr Roberts,

 

Thank you for contacting the Ministry of Defence.

 

Your request for recorded information is currently being considered under
the Freedom of Information (FOI) Act 2000 with reference FOI2019/10540.

 

You are entitled to receive a written response no later than 09 October
2019.

 

Regards,

 

Defence Statistics

 

 

Dear Ministry of Defence,

Please pass this on to the person who conducts Freedom of Information reviews.

I am writing to request an internal review of Ministry of Defence's handling of my FOI request 'How many sick Gulf War Veterans have been denied a War Pension?'.

To basically inform me that the only data available to give me is between 2003 and 2019 and then not give that information is a total waste of everybodys time. I informed MOD i would like the data and then attempt to treat as a new request.

Especially as other information has been claimed to take too much time. On tge other hand it seems there isctime to waste

It is not a new request . Please forward the data

A full history of my FOI request and all correspondence is available on the Internet at this address: https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/h...

Regards,

gavin roberts

Def Strat-Stat-Health-PQ-FOI (MULTIUSER), Ministry of Defence

Dear Mr Roberts,
 
Thank you for your email.
 
Your original request (FOI2019/09042) was for all information. To locate,
retrieve and extract this information would exceed the appropriate cost
limit under section 12.
 
The ICO guidance on section 12
[1]https://ico.org.uk/for-organisations/gui...
states: 'You should not give the requester part of the information
requested, without giving them the chance to say which part they would
prefer to receive';
 
It goes on to say: 'If the requester refines their request appropriately,
you should then deal with this as a new request.'
 
Therefore, we were unable to provide you with the figures for 2003-19
without you submitting a new request
 
We have therefore logged your new request under reference FOI2019/10540
with a statutory 20 working day deadline of 9 October.
 
As stated in our original response to FOI2019/09042, if you wish to
request an internal review into the handling of FOI2019/09042 you can 
contact the Compliance Team at [2][email address]
 
Kind Regards,
 
Defence Statistics Health
 

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Dear Def Strat-Stat-Health-PQ-FOI (MULTIUSER),

My point is What a waste of everybodys time!

Irrelevant to rules.

You had the information at fingertips, to then go away and come back another day to retrieve same information!

We both know it is utter nonsense, lets not insult each others intelligence and forward on the data.

Gulf Veterans are dying every week, we hope It matters ti MOD as much as it matters to us.

Thankyou

Regards,

gavin roberts

Dear Def Strat-Stat-Health-PQ-FOI (MULTIUSER),

Ive also just noticed, that you pointed out
Give requester choice of which part they would 'prefer' to receive.

There is no choice as you stated MOD is within its rights to withhold data that you believe would take longer than 24 hours and/or more than £600 to collate. This left you with 2003-2019 which you decided for some unknown reason to withold the figure?

However, it does lead me to a new request as follows.

How many years between 91 and 2003 could you collate data for in respect of denied Gulf War pensions in 23.5 petsonnel hours whilst also staying within the £600 limit ?

thankyou

Regards,

gavin roberts

Def Strat-Stat-PQ-FOI-Mailbox (MULTIUSER), Ministry of Defence

Dear Mr. Roberts,

 

Thank you for contacting the Ministry of Defence.

 

Your request for recorded information is currently being considered under
the Freedom of Information (FOI) Act 2000 with reference FOI2019/10654.

 

You are entitled to receive a written response no later than 09 October
2019.

 

Regards,

 

Defence Statistics

 

Def Strat-Stat-PQ-FOI-Mailbox (MULTIUSER), Ministry of Defence

Dear Mr Roberts,

 

Thank you for contacting the Ministry of Defence.

 

Your request for recorded information is currently being considered under
the Freedom of Information (FOI) Act 2000 with reference FOI2019/ 11090

 

You are entitled to receive a written response no later than 10 October
2019.

 

Regards,

 

Defence Statistics

 

Defence Authority for Statistics /Ministry of Defence/ London SW1A 2HB

 

 

 

 

Def Strat-Stat-Health-PQ-FOI (MULTIUSER), Ministry of Defence

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Dear Mr Roberts,

 

Please find attached a response to the FOI you requested on 12 September
2019.

 

Kind regards,

 

Defence Statistics Health

 

 

Def Strat-Stat-Health-PQ-FOI (MULTIUSER), Ministry of Defence

1 Attachment

Dear Mr Roberts,

 

Please find attached a response to the FOI you requested on 11 September
2019.

 

Kind regards,

 

Defence Statistics Health

 

 

 

CIO-FOI-IR (MULTIUSER), Ministry of Defence

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Dear Mr Roberts,

 

Please find attached a response to your recent request for internal
review.

 

Yours sincerely,

 

MOD Information Rights Compliance Team

Dear CIO-FOI-IR (MULTIUSER),

Thankyou Sandra for your efforts in the internal review.

Im sure you will understand Gulf Veterans frustration with thousands of them suffering for nearly 30 years and they are refused data due to it may take longer or costs than a rule States MOD are given the choice to avoid providing the data that is there. We understand it is a choice, whether MOD wish to take that choice is a different matter.

If only that choice had been given to the many veterans suffering and dying following experimental VACCINES a Drugs forced upon them by their own during the Gulf War!

However, we understand staff have to do as your told, just as we did and appreciate your efforts!

I would like to make a request for the data that you have pointed out in the stand alone database from 1991 -2016 DBS VETS UK DATA Collected or pointed in the direction of where that data exists in the public domain. Thankyou,

Regards

gavin roberts

Def Strat-Stat-PQ-FOI-Mailbox (MULTIUSER), Ministry of Defence

Dear Gavin Roberts,

 

Thank you for contacting the Ministry of Defence.

 

Your request for recorded information is currently being considered under
the Freedom of Information (FOI) Act 2000 with reference FOI2019/11553.

 

You are entitled to receive a written response no later than 7 November
2019.

 

Regards,

 

Defence Statistics

 

Def Strat-Stat-Health-PQ-FOI (MULTIUSER), Ministry of Defence

1 Attachment

Dear Mr Roberts,

 

Please find attached a response to the FOI you requested on 10 October
2019.

 

Kind regards,

 

Defence Statistics Health

 

 

Dear Def Strat-Stat-Health-PQ-FOI (MULTIUSER),

Thankyou for your reply,
could you inform me of the remaining categories recorded on the stand alone database Gulf War 1991 - 2016.

Also could you explain what is meant that the database has not been validated (What does this entail)? by whom would/should normally validate ? If possible to answer - Why not?

Finally you stated the database may include individuals who, despite claiming Gulf War related injury/illness, may NOT have deployed to the Gulf?

Could this data be explained in more detail please? MAY include? is this opinion or does it include?

Also Why did troops claim for Gulf War Illness/injury without deploying to the Gulf War?

Thankyou
Regards,
gavin roberts

Def Strat-Stat-Health-PQ-FOI (MULTIUSER), Ministry of Defence

Good morning Mr Roberts,

 

We have considered your questions and hope that we have been able to
provide clear responses.

 

We are unsure what you mean by 'could you inform me of the remaining
categories recorded on the standalone database' and would be grateful if
you can please clarify.

 

You asked: "Also could you explain what is meant that the database has not
been validated (What does this entail)? by whom would/should normally
validate ? If possible to answer - Why not?"

 

War Pension Scheme claimant information is recorded on the War Pension
Computer System (WPCS), the primary source of WPS data. Information
entered on the standalone database was also recorded by DBS Veterans UK
(previously the Service Personnel and Veterans Agency (SPVA) to separately
identify claimants who previously deployed to the 1990/91 Gulf Conflict.
However, data entry for these claimants was duplicated and not necessarily
routinely checked against the main WPCS. Since there is a risk of
administrative error, the caveat that information is recorded and managed
separately to the WPCS was included within our response.

 

You also asked: "Finally you stated the database may include individuals
who, despite claiming Gulf War related injury/illness, may NOT have
deployed to the Gulf?  Could this data be explained in more detail please?
MAY include? is this opinion or does it include? Also Why did troops claim
for Gulf War Illness/injury without  deploying to the Gulf War?"

 

The MOD has identified a cohort of 53,409 UK Armed Forces personnel that
deployed to the 1990/91 Gulf Conflict. This cohort was identified for
monitoring the Mortality among UK Gulf War veterans:
[1]https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics...

This ‘Gulf cohort’ includes all UK Armed Forces personnel who served in
the Gulf at some time between September 1990, and June 1991. The
geographical definition of the Gulf area varied according to their
service. It included all Army personnel whose theatre of service during
this period was Kuwait, Muscat and Oman, Qatar, United Arab Emirates,
Bahrain, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Iran or Operation Granby. Royal Air Force
personnel were included if they had served in the Saudi Arabian Peninsula,
and Royal Navy personnel if they had served on board a ship east of the
Suez during the defined period.

 

The ‘Gulf cohort’ is the MOD’s official record of UK Armed Forces
personnel deployed to the 1990/91 Gulf conflict. Of the 9,524 claimants
with a cleared WPS claim on the standalone database (referenced within our
FOI response), 1,633 claimants were not identified as a member of the Gulf
veteran cohort. It is unknown whether these claimants were deployed but
did not meet the specific criteria to be in the cohort as outlined above,
or whether they were not deployed to the Gulf. Since the database has not
been validated, there may be claimants with mis-spelt information which
meant that they were deployed as per the criteria above but could not be
matched to the Gulf cohort. It is assumed that the discrepancy may be due
to differences in definitions or quality of data. However, the uncertainty
over the mis-match resulted in the caveat that the database may include
claimants who have not deployed to the Gulf being included within the
response.

 

Kind Regards,

 

Defence Statistics Health

 

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Dear Def Strat-Stat-Health-PQ-FOI (MULTIUSER),

Good Morning and thankyou for your reply, in reference to the stand alone data, I was enquiring what other data is held besides the data surrounding the Gulf War pension claims? Are there links to this standalone data.

Thankyou for attempting to clear my queries up

Regards,

gavin roberts