how do i 'de-register' my own automobile

jon made this Freedom of Information request to Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency

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The request was refused by Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency.

Dear Sir or Madam,

I wish to reverse the registration process, unregister my car if you like. On the v5 document, there are options for scrapping, selling, exporting etc. But I do not wish to do any of these things, I want the car to become one of my posessions, as opposed to a registered vehicle. I must remind you I am aware of the meaning of the word 'registration' according to Black's law dictionary.
I want to be the rightful owner, as opposed to the registered keeper. I want the car to have no connection with me on any records, I want the car to be nothing more than a belonging which I keep. How do I go about this process?

Yours faithfully,

jon: hallam

jon left an annotation ()

By possesion I do not mean a 'road vehicle' i mean an automobile and nothing more. I can use the object as a garden ornament if i like etc. etc.

FOI FOI, Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency

Thank you for your e-mail dated 12 February requesting information on how to un-register your vehicle. The Freedom of Information Act gives people a right to access non-personal information held by public authorities. The Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency (DVLA) is the authority responsible for maintaining a register of drivers, vehicles and their keepers. As your request for information falls within DVLA+IBk-s day to day business, your request is subsequently being treated as +IBg-Business as Usual+IBk.

The vehicle register maintained by the DVLA is based on vehicles and the people - the registered keepers who are responsible for the use and licensing of the vehicles. It is not a register of legal title to vehicles. The register held at DVLA is essentially maintained to assist in revenue collection, road safety and law enforcement generally. It is clearly essential for all these purposes that the register shows the people who are responsible for the vehicles.

DVLA is unable to reverse a registration process at your request. If you keep or use a vehicle, it is a legal requirement that it is registered to you. All vehicle registration and licensing is governed by the Vehicle Excise and Registration Act 1994 (as amended) and the Road Vehicles (Registration and Licensing) Regulations 2002. The law requires keepers to notify DVLA as they acquire and dispose of vehicles and Vehicle Registration Certificates (V5C) are issued to them to help this process. Failure to register a vehicle is an offence. In addition, your vehicle must be either licensed (taxed) or have a Statutory Off Road Notification (SORN) in force.

Further information on keeping a vehicle can be found at www.direct.gov.uk/motoring .

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Dear FOI FOI,
You have missed my point here, no doubt deliberately. I do not wish the automobile to be a 'vehicle' any longer.You say failure to licence a VEHICLE is an offence, well a de-registered car would not be a 'VEHICLE' would it?
You also mention that the register held at DVLA is to assist in law enforcement, I must tell you that whereas it may assist you in statute enforcement, the law has nothing to do with it. The United Kingdom is a common law jurisdiction, and enjoys the protection of common law. Could you please show me where under common law, there is any mention of vehicle registration.

Yours sincerely,

jon

FOI FOI, Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency

Thank you for your further e-mail of 3 March about un-registering your vehicle.

As your initial request was not dealt with as a FOI request, I am of the opinion that an Internal Review under the FOI Code of Practice+IBk-s complaint procedures is inappropriate in the circumstances. As such no Internal Review will be undertaken into your request as it is felt that your initial request was answered in full, albeit not as a FOI request.

However, having now had the opportunity to give consideration to your latest correspondence of 3 March I can now provide you with relevant information. I should point out that the request for an Internal Review contained your e-mail of 3 March is also being dealt with as routine day to day business and not under the provisions of the Freedom of Information Act.

As previously stated, all vehicle registration and licensing is governed by the Vehicle Excise and Registration Act 1994 (as amended) and the Road Vehicles (Registration and Licensing) Regulations 2002.

As your vehicle is registered in the UK and you are recorded as the registered
keeper of the vehicle, you are legally obliged to comply with this legislation.

An individual cannot merely decide to un-register a vehicle; or decide that a vehicle can cease to be a vehicle. The term +AJM-vehicle+AJQ is defined in the Act as a mechanically propelled vehicle, or anything that has been, but has ceased to be, a mechanically propelled vehicle.

The common law references you quoted have no relevance to this legislation and do not exonerate a registered keeper from complying with this statutory obligation.

Therefore, it is your statutory obligation to ensure that your vehicle is correctly licensed (taxed) at all times, or a Statutory Off Road Notification (SORN) is in force. Failure to comply will result in you committing an offence.

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Dear FOI FOI, You have missed my point here, no doubt deliberately.
I do not wish the automobile to be a 'vehicle' any longer.You say
failure to licence a VEHICLE is an offence, well a de-registered
car would not be a 'VEHICLE' would it? You also mention that the
register held at DVLA is to assist in law enforcement, I must tell
you that whereas it may assist you in statute enforcement, the law
has nothing to do with it. The United Kingdom is a common law
jurisdiction, and enjoys the protection of common law. Could you
please show me where under common law, there is any mention of
vehicle registration.

Yours sincerely,

jon

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Dear FOI FOI,

with all respect, how can a 'vehicle' be defined as a vehicle, that's like saying an apple is defined as an apple? you are being ludicrous, send me a true definition of a vehicle please.

Yours sincerely,

jon

FOI FOI, Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency

Thank you for your further e-mail requesting information on the
definition of a vehicle.

You have already been advised that all vehicle registration and
licensing is governed by the Vehicle Excise and Registration Act 1994
(VERA) (as amended) and the Road Vehicles (Registration and Licensing)
Regulations 2002.

A vehicle is not defined in the Act, but analogy can be drawn from the
Road Traffic Act 1988 where a motor vehicle is defined for the purposes
of that Act. However, as previously stated, VERA applies not only to a
mechanically propelled vehicle but also to anything that has been such.

The function of the DVLA is to maintain an accurate record of drivers
and vehicles. It is responsible for the collection and enforcement of
vehicle excise duty (VED) and tackling vehicle crime. DVLA is not
responsible for providing definitive advice and are not in a position to
comment further on this matter.

I must advise that any further correspondence on this issue will be
acknowledged only.

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Dear FOI FOI,

with all respect, how can a 'vehicle' be defined as a vehicle,
that's like saying an apple is defined as an apple? you are being
ludicrous, send me a true definition of a vehicle please.

Yours sincerely,

jon

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Dear FOI FOI,
well you have done little other than make yourselves look silly. Just answering the questions would have been a better idea, instead of sidestepping them, answering with ambiguous rubbish, I simply asked for the true definition of vehicle. You have failed catastrophically, and I will be sharing this with my peers.

Yours sincerely,

jon

FOI FOI, Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency

Thank you for your email.

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Dear FOI FOI, well you have done little other than make
yourselves
look silly. Just answering the questions would have been a better
idea, instead of sidestepping them, answering with ambiguous
rubbish, I simply asked for the true definition of vehicle. You
have failed catastrophically, and I will be sharing this with my
peers.

Yours sincerely,

jon

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Veronica Chapman left an annotation ()

A Statement such as:

"The common law references you quoted have no relevance to this legislation and do not exonerate a registered keeper from complying with this statutory obligation."

... indicates absolutely ZERO comprehension of the LAW, and the true situation.

The Common Law References ARE THE LAW. And they are ONLY THE LAW.

The Statutes quoted are nothing more than the Rules and Regulations of a 'Society'. A Society that has NO LAWFUL STANDING because it cannot be SPECIFICALLY NAMED. A Society whose Rules & Regulations are, therefore, entirely VOID and IRRELEVANT.

A Society that operates SOLELY by FRAUDULENT DECEPTION of purporting to 'make the LAW'.

A Society whose Rules and Regulations only apply to those who CONSENT to be bound by them.

Mr. Hallam has obviously chosen NOT TO CONSENT. He, like all others who choose NOT TO CONSENT are not - in any way - bound to take any notice of the Statutes quoted, because they are made by a LEGAL FICTION called 'THE GOVERNMENT'.

While THE LAW can give rise to legal fictions, legal fictions CANNOT give rise to THE LAW. (If that were possible, then any 'Government' could make a LAW promulgating it's own lifetime for evermore. But, fortunately, ALL GOVERNMENTS are BOUND BY LAW, and cannot create it)

Veronica Chapman left an annotation ()

What Mr. Hallam wants to know is not "What all the Statutes are".

He knows that these are totally irrelevant.

What he wants to know is "How, precisely, does he make it crystal clear to all and sundry that he does not CONSENT to them ... as he is fully entitled so to do"

Veronica Chapman left an annotation ()

All refernces to Mr. Hallam, above, should have read "Jon: of the Hallam family", of course. That being what he, as a Human being, is Commonly Called.

Nick Peters left an annotation ()

I should ignore all of this philosophical waffle, but I have to ask whether Veronica and Jon are for real? Sadly, think that they probably are...

Tim left an annotation ()

Jon Hallam -- if your car-turned-garden-ornament is still recognisable as a car but is currently being used off-road as a garden ornament, then you should just use the SORN option. If you have dismantled the car to make it into your garden ornament, then you should use the "scrapped" option. These options seem adequate to cover your situation. -- Tim

jon left an annotation ()

tim, thank you for trying to help, but the situation is a lot different to how you see it. My request was an effort to expose the grand deception about registration, application and submission. I do not wish to turn my car into a garden ornament. Most people think they own their cars, but this is not true. Have you ever wondered why the v5 document refers to you as 'registered keeper'? Registration according to Law Dictionary is the act of signing over ownership of the thing, this unfortunately includes land, and even children. Application means to beg, and submit is to bend to anothers will. so by submitting an application for registration, you are willingly handing over ownership of the said item. Ever wondered why the DVLA can take away your car and crush it tim? Its because they own your car, you begged them to own it. You are merely the keeper, if it was your car, taking it from you would be theft. Please visit fmotl.com for further info, or watch videos such as 'the grand deception' on google video.

mark-william:baker left an annotation ()

im pretty sure this comes under what is known as contract law and by registering the vehicle it gives the dvla the right to destruct/remove/sell the property legally.by signing over the title you have effectively contracted to their terms and conditions!but as with all contracts with for profit businesses you can give them notice and lawfully reclaim your property as long as you have proof of purchase.
as said many times possession is 9/10ths of the law the 1/10th is the contract signed ;-)

Veronica Chapman left an annotation ()

Thank you mark-william. Wholeheartedly agreed, except that the Contract is null &void anyway because Full Disclosure did not occur, no Equal Consideration is offered by the DVLA, and there was never any Intent to Contract in this manner.

No-one would register their car if they realised they were handing over Full Ownership Title to the Government, would they? For the pleasure of paying Road Tax every year? You would willingly engage in a Contract under these conditions? Or do you engage in this Contract under duress? The duress of believing "they can make things really nasty for you, if you don't"? That's called duress. Plain & simple. No Contract such as that is valid in Common Law.

One interesting thing we have discovered is there is such a thing known as a "DVLA Trading Fund"

mark-william:baker left an annotation ()

im not 100% sure but i think that the license is for when using a vehicle n commerce i.e a driver for a company or using it to carry tools or packages for or as your trade.if this is the case then it would be a tax deductable amount anyways so the company wouldn't be paying the full rate as they can claim it back.

jon left an annotation ()

Quite right. DRIVING defined in legalese is not sitting at the wheel of a car, it is acting in commerce upon the highways. The wool has been pulled over our eyes yet again, NOBODY needs a licence to travel. It is an ilalienable right. We give up this right in exchange for a PRIVELAGE, the moment we APPLY (beg) for a DRIVING LICENCE.
A right cannot be taken away, only given away.
A privelage can be both granted and taken away.

Norman: Hinks left an annotation ()

If one is not acting in commerce, one just needs to assert the right to travel and 'understand' where in law he is at the time of being asked or doing the activity.

One can have a license for the times when one is acting in commerce, , and still not need one in every other situation, in my opinion.

Pharmassay Int'l Ltd. left an annotation ()

Jon, I am undertaking this process with 2 cars, one of which I had informed them I had permanently exported. The replies I got from DVLA for the two separate notices were revealing, the car that was still registered with them got a strict no nonsense reply of Statute laws, etc. and the car that had been exported got a "its outside our jurisdiction" type reply. I suggest you "Export" your property to outside "UK Ltd" and serve Notice of understanding, intent and claim of right and can then travel free of license in your own property.
Peace and harmony to all living souls, rgds, Jim

Pharmassay Int'l Ltd. left an annotation ()

Jon,
Sorry I didn't perhaps make it clear that Exporting your car doesn't involve removing it from its present geographical location,(British Isles) its a legal movement, you are exporting it to the outside of their company system. (Registration). You are using their company forms to have them record the car as having left their, how shall we say, custodial care?
rgds, Jim

Philip Collins left an annotation ()

It should be understood that a human being cannot use the FOI act, only a 'legal person' can and as such you will never be able to get the kind of answers you seek using it.

Indeed you are only frustrating those authorities with questions like these.

If you don't want your vehicle to be a vehicle any more then just write us a letter stating that you are no longer the registered keeper, no longer liable as the registered keeper, disregarding the V5.

The result of this is that you are of course still the owner, not that it has anything to do with the DVLA, however they will likely still take it from you at some point, believing they have the right to do so,

It is then for you to take them to court / lien for the damages.

Solution, buy cheap cars that you don't care about losing, be prepared to replace it every year.

James:Argent left an annotation ()

Simply write to the DVLA and INFORM them of your YOUR car's new IDENTIFICATION NUMBER. Send back your car's REGISTRATION NUMBER, as this is what the DVLA own. When you receive a ''reminder'' write on the envelope NO CONTRACT RETURN TO SENDER, ADDRESSEE NOT RECOGNISED. You may have to write the DVLA'S address as they have now got wise to this and print DO NOT RETURN TO SENDER on their reminders sent out. LOL.

TehPedro left an annotation ()

A few years ago I saw a few tutorial videos on how to legally avoid paying VED. I stumbled across this site looking for them. Basically he did a lot of letter writing jumped through a bunch of legal hoops, somehow registered his car as a private vehicle and now he doesn't have to pay road tax but he can only drive within his county.

I don't really want to follow in his footsteps but it'd be interesting to see the vids again. If anyone reading this knows the ones I mean and could let me know I'd greatly appreciate it.

Russell left an annotation ()

Have a look at this very helpful.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ApMM49kP...

Plenty more if you look.

Best regards Russell

Jo left an annotation ()

Hiya I was wondering if anyone could tell me where it's written that a civil matter depends on a contract?? My sister's being taken to court for a civil matter but there is NO breached contract!! >:(

Curtis left an annotation ()

I was intrigued by this subject after a conversation I had with an acquaintance who was trying to do the same thing.

What you're missing is that, no insurer will insure a car that isn't registered with DVLA and displays a current tax disc...and insurance IS required by law.

Furthermore, his belief (although not mentioned here), was that he would no longer be regulated by speed cameras and traffic wardens. Average speed check cameras I would understand as these tend to be on A roads. Speed cameras however, are traffic calming measures to ensure the safety of pedestrians (CHILDREN) in residential areas. Traffic wardens do sometimes operate in areas purely for revenue purposes (local government), but also to ensure safety outside of schools etc.

There are huge holes in this theory. As the saying goes; if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is!

Thanks

James:Argent left an annotation ()

Curtis, I can not believe for one moment that someone sooo intrigued by 'this subject' would sign up here and troll it. Conversation you say, with an acquaintance?? I would guess a work colleague at the DVLA. Funny, because I spoke to someone called Curtis at the DVLA who did not have an understanding of the LAW. Same person? Maybe, meh...

Firstly, insurance companies dropped the word 'scheme' many years ago from their packages. [SCHEME-look that up in a dictionary and a law dictionary preferably pre-1925]

You mention REGISTERED. Look up that word in a law dictionary. When you register something you give up allodial title to that possession. Think what other things you are obliged to register and give up ownership of. Your land, your house, your wife, your children, your car, your business...the list is endless. What we are practising here is the first plank of the Communist Manifesto. 1. Abolition of land ownership.

Do you think its a coincidence you can not insure your car without being REGISTERED???

You mention the LAW, registration is required by LAW. What Law is that then? What I think you mean are ACTS and STATUTES, ENACTED through primary and secondary legislation. The definition of LAW; "A legislative rule of (the LAW)society, by corporation of rule, given the force of Law by CONSENT of the governed"

1. What is our society called and when did I become a member? Nobody asked me if I wanted to join.
2. Corporation of rule. Our Government is a corporation?
3. GIVEN the FORCE of LAW, by CONSENT of the Governed. Did you read that, Consent. Are you asked whether or not you would like to pay council tax???

Your friend needs to read more about the subject if he thinks he can speed. Its about being responsible and self sufficient, without interfearence from the state.

The man below knows his stuff. But dont take his word for it. Research it, research, research, research.

http://www.youtube.com/user/TheAntiTerro...

How to deal with parking tickets
http://tpuc.org/content/chris-lees-penal...

Casual left an annotation ()

I think you will find that your birth was "Registered" so in your terminology possession of you was signed over to the government. They own you so you have to do what they require.
Yes they can take your car and crush it but will only if you are not insured, taxed or MOT'd.
They can also arrest you and put you in jail for 25 years if you go against other "laws".
If you want to try and find loop holes so you don't have to pay VED or insurance then let's just hope you don't have an accident that maims or kills someone.

jon left an annotation ()

Firstly, they do not own "you", they own your name, your strawman, your company/corportion. It is fictional. It is your vessel on the sea of commerce. You are not your name. We are conditioned from a very early age to believe we ARE that name, it is the first thing our parents teach us, we have to say "yes miss" for twelve years in answer to that name. Lose th name to free yourself. As for maiming or killing someone with "no tax or insurance" it makes no difference, they are dead with or without insurance. Money does not change the past! Money is an illusion. I find that afther losing the "nannying" of insurance (limited liability) I drive with a hell of a lot more due care and attention, and take full responsibility (full commercial liability).

Dermot: Welsh left an annotation ()

A digression from the main topic here, I know.
When parents 'register' their offspring they stand in front of an actor/ actress known as a 'Registra', (i.e. - not in the capacity of a man or a woman but..), an Officer. Since only biological beings can create a like being, the 'officer' can only create in their own like - fictional entities. The item (child) being registered, has its' given name (from the creators/parents), used (mischieviously) to create a company (or a named 'vessel'), a fictional entity, and this then remains the basis for every interaction between sentient being and state thereafter.

Danny left an annotation ()

I have been following the FOTL threads with interest and came across this in wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freemen_on_... I am interested to hear anyones views on the article and whether the views contained in the article are valid?

Oliver left an annotation ()

Hi all,

I've done a lot of work on this area.

Turns out; the DVLA don't own or claim to own any part of the vehicle. Other than car tax, they don't enforce any part of any law.
Unfortunately they literally hold the details for whoever chooses to own a "mechanically propelled vehicle".

There has not been a case since 1973 where they have taken rights to a vehicle, or, so research shows; they do not and apparently will not claim any title over said "vehicles". (I've also realised it says this on the V5C on the front in the exclamation that says something along the lines of "This document is not proof of ownership".

I've also uncovered information on freedom on the land in the UK; no case of such ever gone before any court in the United Kingdom has proved beneficial for the "Freeman" (I.e. John, of the Smith family, Jane, of the Doe family - as I believe Freemen prefer to be known).

When delving into the law further; contract law and statute law are defined in such as two completely separate areas. Contract is something whereby both parties involved consent to the terms by which they are bound for the duration of the contract. Statute law is imposed on any individual choosing to live on the land that is governed by said law. There is no explicit choice necessary, as the decision to maintain existence as an individual of/in that country is binding by all laws.

The foundation of freedom on the land endeavours are with in the confines of the USA's entirely different legal system. Beginning with Alexander Hamilton and the amendments.

The main point being one particular amendment saying something along the lines of every member of the land has the right to choose. (Land being America). However the disappointing contradiction of this is (I think) the 14th amendment; that goes on to say that anybody choosing to live in said 'land' is property of the government and as such must abide by all laws.

In short, as great as most of us would find it to be a law into ourselves; the unfortunate truth is we can't choose to enjoy one half of the law and not the other. If we elect to have a vehicle that is or has ever been mechanically prepared then we are electing to be privy to any rules associated with that decision.

Best regards all.

P.S. In reference to the freedom of information act; merely being a member of this website all so shows participation on the sign up page:

"We do not disclose this information unless the requires us to do so" - The email input box.

KJ Cooper left an annotation ()

I can only guess that vehicle owners up & down the UK, including myself think they do not own vehicle(s) they have registered with the DVLA. The fact is you DO own the motor vehicle although you do NOT own the vehicles registration plate number shown on your vehicle(s) for identification purposes only. You cannot deregister a vehicle because you haven't registered the vehicle in the first place, you have registered the vehicle index number (registration number). You can ask the DVLA to disassociate the registration number from your motor vehicle but it is unlikely they will do this. You own the vehicle and not the registration plate information.

Billy fisher left an annotation ()

kJ, foolishly applying a logical approach will never win an argument with a freeman. Kudos for trying.

Basically the freeman starts with a basic assumption that only contract law applies: Statute doesn't unless you consent to it and then through a series of logical steps creates an edifice that allows freemen to remove consent.

In this case there is no real conflict between being a registered keeper and an owner. You can own but not be registered keeper and you can be registered keeper without owning. Legal title remains with the owner but that's common law, but not e common law understood by a freeman.

As The judge in meads vs meads says: 'you're magic spells don't work'. They never have and therein lies the fallacy: all the freeman have to is use the right form of words and the trained lawyers will roll over and accept that they've been skewered. What actually happens is that they make a monumental ass of themselves and double the panel try.

What normally happens when people challenge freeman ideas is that they state their case through unreadable text, more mumbo jumbo, lots of capitals and act-hominem attacks. Never with references to verifiable cited decisions showing that freeman arguments work.

Callum left an annotation ()

Hi, I think this thread has strayed a way from "how do i 'de-register' my own automobile" but nonetheless allow me to shed some legal light on all topics stated. Before we start I must state I am not a 'freeman on-the-land' there lies an exploitable legal loop-hole if you will. Which by the very statutes of the United Kingdom creating said hole said hole cannot be closed.

first allow me to start with a relevant question Jon. If by registering our cars we hand over ownership, but the DVLA deny ownership then nor us nor the DVLA own said vehicle. Who does own ownership? Is it the United Kingdom corporation? Is it still in the hands of the manufacturer/creator? Or is it owned by whom ever claims ownership after a transaction has taken place? If so how do you claim ownership? Food for thought.

On the subject of the freeman on-the-land discussion as much as it is a good theory (a true theory at that) living within the (falsely) claimed property of the UK (the british isles), some talk and letters of intent and claim of right ect. have no holding. They simply aren't strong enough as documents.

What you need to do is write up an affidavit stating your truth (your law), disconnecting yourself from the Legal fiction Jon Smith and/or and derivatives thereof e.g. Mr Jon Smith, J smith, Mr J smith ect.
Now the clever bit.. By disconnecting yourself from the legal entity commonly known as you, the affidavit is not longer operating under limited commercial liability but now operates (including you, affiant) under unlimited commercial liability thus making it the most powerful document in the land.
-I trust you are following-
Now as sovereignty in this country lies with the people, not the crown as presumed by many (well hidden secret). Since you are no longer the legal entity you are presumed to be but are a sentient man, no more, no less, you hold sovereignty. Thus making the truth on the affidavit operating within unlimited commercial liability, your law, sovereign law. Which is the most powerful law there is. Obviously keep your laws within reason and within your truth otherwise they can and will be rebutted and mean nothing once more. But no-one can ever deny a man his truth. Print your affidavits on nice paper then take them to a notary public to get them legalised. Send them off to the crown, the CEO of the UK and for extra safe measures the CEO of the EU. They will not answer so through tacit procuration you have an agreement/contract if you will of the parties. A contract breakable only by those parties - none beneath their position.

The mistake made by many is to enter into their playground eg. the courts. As in these courts they hold the power and as minions of government they will surely disregard your law and charge you under the legal fiction they believe is you (even though through doing this they are committing fraud & enticement to slavery under their own statutes).
To win you must refuse the summons (invitation to attend) and take the trial to the Queens Bench where the trial will be heard man to man instead of government employee (policeman/woman who arrested you in the first place) to slave. Your affidavit will hold power, your law will come out on top and the government employees who engaged in enticement to slavery upon attempting to force statutes, acts and legislations on such a free being will be charged for their crimes.

Now I am not saying get every police officer under the sun charged on slavery charges as any self respecting being knows that policing is a good thing, something we are in dyer need of to prevent total anarchy.
But assuming you would like to be free, in a responsible manner. You are free, this process simply makes it lawful and un challengeable as long as you keep the peace and accept full responsibility for your actions. (meaning the consequences for breach of the peace will be much more severe, the death penalty still applies to you ect.)

erick left an annotation ()

judgedredd left an annotation ()

Hi Jon and everyone else,

It is relatively simple to 'de-register' your car. But first a few words about me...

I have been studying law 'outside the legal system' since 2007 and I have taken on board a lot of info and uncovered a lot of the deception about what is going on for the system to have successfully deceived us for so long. Most of my studying was dealing with the US but the principles I learnt apply to the UK too.

When one is in the system one can say that you are 'within' the system of commerce. When you want to leave the system you are looking to expatriate yourself 'out' of the system.

Inside the system = within
Outside the system = without (yes, this word is in the legal dictionary)

On the V5C, as someone has already pointed out, you need to 'export' your car out of their jurisdiction/corporate environment into your one, which is your common right jurisdiction or private jurisdiction. Notice that on the V5C they do not ask you where you are exporting the car to! Its a very simple box to fill in. That is the remedy they provide us with. It is so easy it is hard to get your head around it. Here is another way of looking at it....

As has been pointed out, the LICENSE PLATE is the property of the DVLA. This is how they get jurisdiction over you. You are under their 'protection' when you have a license plate (also called a registration number or number plate) due to having this plate on your car. Its because it is issued BY THEM. Which also means you have to abide by their 'rules', have insurance, have a 'driving' license, etc. The neat trick is they get you to pay for them having jurisdiction over you. After all, their moto is 'investors in people'. It is literally correct!! If you write a letter to them and get an actual response from someone, that is what is written below a Cesar-like crown of olive leaves in the top right corner of the letter. So the DVLA are also under Roman Law. Which means that they can be sued individually because of the Motu Proprio that was issued by Pope Francis on the 11th July 2013. But that's another topic.

When you 'export' your 'private conveyance' (look those words up) out of their jurisdiction into your private one you also have to throw away the license plates (or send them back) and either travel around without any (causing conniption fits for the other lemmings driving on the roads) or get some made up (checking that others don't have the same combination of letters and numbers - you can check that on any insurance website now where it asks you to input the registration number of the car). It is best to have other plates made up so that the other lemmings driving behind you don't ring the police saying that some wanker is driving around without any plates. But please don't make it obvious that you are doing this. That's what 'they' don't like to see us doing - showing off this stuff. Be discreet and use one of the many number plate shops out there to have 'show plates' made up that look like regular plates. And for god's sake don't put on your plates FMOTL. That will get you in deep doo doo for sure!

In the end all the DVLA is is a legal, 'upstanding' 'Mafia' organisation where you pay them 'protection' money against having your car stolen, gone into (crashed), car jacked, etc. Look into the history of Cesar and you will find out that he used to be a fireman..... that is an interesting read and gave rise to the first insurance scam that is recorded in history. This is what we are dealing with today. Read up on some history, decide on what you want to do, take responsibility for your life and have fun!

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judge dredd,

what happens when you already have a private plate before as a 'REGISTERED' keeper, as far as i know DVLA charge £80 each time to transfer from a number plate to private, and vice versa, If sucessfully de registered, would that mean DVLA refunds you £80 or not.

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Scope,
That 'private' plate still belongs to the DVLA, otherwise you would not have paid the 80 quid. So that money that you paid for 'private' plates will not be refunded to you. The private plates I put on my conveyance after exporting it out of the UK jurisdiction is not used on any vehicle in the UK and all it cost was 20 quid to have it made up. This is what is now on my conveyance, not the plate that the V5C shows. I have kept the old ones in case I want to travel aboard, in which case I will put them back on just before getting on the ferry/chunnel train. I hae to do this so that everything squares up with the paperwork. The lemmings that man the ports wouldn't let me pass otherwise.