Gulf War 90/91 Data/Evidence that vaccines did not cause epedemic levels of autoimmune sickness in troops

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Dear Ministry of Defence,

Q1, Is it MOD policy to ignore Veterans legal team and hope that they go away in reference to the Gulf War Veterans ?
( Legals have contacted MOD several times over the past 12 months)Pre Court Protocol, in an attempt to not waste the Courts/Judge time).

Hopefully this will be the final Freedom of Information request, Gulf War Veterans will have to make in reference to their sickness!

Following approx 2 years of intensive investigations, fact checking data thousands of documents surrounding the epedemic levels of autoimmune sickness in this group of troops ( now veterans). We find ourselves here.

36 Nations deployed to the Gulf War 90/91.

5 of these Nations subjected their troops (Army,Navy,Air Force) to experimental multiples vaccines regime,(EMVR) untested (Only on animals that suffered severe loss of condition with just 2 of the vaccines!) vaccines/adjuvants and their combinations.

5 of the 36 Nations servicemen and women irrelevant to whether they were in the air, ground or at sea started suffering. Government report early figures from 1in4/1in3 (25%-35%). These figures are now believed to substantially higher!

The fact is, these suffering 5 Nations were/are the same 5 Nations that subjected their troops to (EMVR). Irrelevant to location, irrelevant to even if they were deployed into theatre or not!

Question 2, Has MOD any recent (Last 3 years) data to now dispute this? Or is MOD soley reliant on missing data and corrupted data from well over 15 years ago?

Thankyou foi dept for all your assistance thus far in this matter. It is our intention to bring past administrations to justice and not the current ones!(unless current members choose to pass on the corrupt/links from previous administrations and finally give these veterans the justice they deserve!

Regards,

gavin roberts

People-Sec-FOI Mailbox (MULTIUSER), Ministry of Defence

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Dear Mr Roberts,

 

Please see the attached response from the Ministry of Defence to your
recent correspondence.

 

Regards,

 

Defence People Secretariat (Parliamentary) | Chief of Defence People
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Dear People-Sec-FOI Mailbox (MULTIUSER),

Please provide the documents/links, where MOD has compared autoimmune conditions in Gulf War Veterans/vaccinated Non Deployed against either Normal population, Servicemen/Women from the same era not deployed/not vaccine prepped for the Gulf War Theatre or both.

Regards,

gavin roberts

People-Sec-FOI Mailbox (MULTIUSER), Ministry of Defence

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Dear Mr Roberts,

Please find attached response to your FOI request of 09/03/20, reference
FOI2020/03335.

 

Kind regards,

 

Defence People Secretariat

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Dear People-Sec-FOI Mailbox (MULTIUSER),

Thankyou for your response,

As requested I am replying to yourselves in the first instance.

You have stated this below-

"As you are aware, in the UK there is no evidence of raised levels of auto-immune disorders in Gulf veterans. This is based both on claims data and on UK NHS data.

We are not 'AWARE' as you suggest of evidence that suggests there is no difference between the two categories. Quite the opposite in fact.
We are in frequent contact through social media, thus enabling us to compare notes, symptoms and diagnosed conditions intensely over the last few years amongst thousands of sick veterans/families of passed sick veterans within veteran groups online.

Amongst these thousands of veterans we are unable to locate a single sick veteran without autoimmune conditions. We know in population that around 1% suffer from an autoimmune condition. Suffering from 2 autoimmune conditions, this % significantly changes. The vast majority of sick veterans are suffering 3,4 and 5 + ai conditions . So the figures become 1 in thousands compared to population.
When you compare this to governments own figures of 1in3 veterans sick 30% +. Then there is a vast vast difference in figures.

Please give the data surrounding MOD claim that there is no difference. Dates collected over the past 30 years. MOD's protocol surrounding collecting data each year surrounding Gulf Veterans 'Duty of Care'.

We are not requesting an internal review at this stage on this particular matter.

Regards,

gavin roberts

Dear People-Sec-FOI Mailbox (MULTIUSER),

Thankyou for the reply,

You have stated ' As you are aware'

We are not aware, hence the request for the data.

We have requested any comparison data in the past and MOD have said it is not possible due to the amount of work it would take to carry it out going through the paper claims.

So either the comparison study has been carried out and we would like to see the data or it has not been carried out. Please inform us which is true.

Thankyou in advance for some transparency and honesty on this question of course which is also required by law!

Regards,

gavin roberts

Dear People-Sec-FOI Mailbox (MULTIUSER),

The answer to this is well over due.

An update to yourselves. A simple survey was put out by ourselves to Gulf War Veterans.

A, No diagnosed autoimmune conditions

B, 1 or More diagnosed conditions.
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We had 353 respond

No diagnosed autoimmune conditions.
Total = 218

1/more diagnosed autoimmune conditions
Total = 96

39 responses believed to be suffering ai conditions, yet to be officially diagnosed.

So if we work off the official diagnosis numbers it is in line with MOD estimates of approx 1in3 sick troops!

This more than suggests that Gulf War sickness is simply autoimmune conditions.
30%+ (Epidemic Levels) . Which will explain why you have put in recent reply that there were reports of other Nations suffering (albeit not epidemic levels). Autoimmune is in current population approx 2%. However when you start talking about 3,4 and 5 autoimmune conditions we are talking 1 in thousands. These veterans are all suffering several for many many years.

Also in the last 2 years of dealing with sick Gulf War veterans (which MOD have admitted they have not bothered since 2003 in a recent reply) We have yet to meet a sick veteran who is not suffering auto-immune conditions!

As we have carried out MOD's 'Duty of Care' for them. What do you have to say?

Sorry might be a good place to start. Remembering NEW Government policy is to Unite and Level up!

Regards,

gavin roberts

Dear Ministry of Defence,

Please pass this on to the person who conducts Freedom of Information reviews.

I am writing to request an internal review of Ministry of Defence's handling of my FOI request 'Gulf War 90/91 Data/Evidence that vaccines did not cause epedemic levels of autoimmune sickness in troops'.

Question 1
We have simply requested data surrounding protocol. In other foi requests we were informed that legal department should be contacted. We did this on two previous occasions, with no response from the legal department. So we are quite within our rights as MOD being funded by the taxpayer to request what is MOD protocol when veterans correspond with MOD legal? Is it MOD protocol to ignore Veterans in this manner? We only see what MOD state publicly, working with veterans openly and transparently. Is this just lip service. Is it a free for all in MOD legals? Should they be respecting veterans and or their representitives/legals? What is the protocol?

Also the replys from MOD foi on this thread lead to further questions? Which is self explanatory as you read through the above.

Put simply it is a shambles , the taxpayers money could be better spent.

A full history of my FOI request and all correspondence is available on the Internet at this address: https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/g...

Regards,

gavin roberts

CIO-FOI-IR (MULTIUSER), Ministry of Defence

Dear Mr Roberts,

Your request for an internal review has been received by MOD. However, we require some clarification before we can process this request.

The content of your complaint email suggests that you wish the internal review to be conducted on request FOI2020/01848, which relates to the protocols followed by the MOD legal team in replying to veterans. However, we note that the thread in which it was submitted also contains a second request (FOI2020/03335) which seeks information relating to any autoimmune comparison studies that may have been conducted by MOD.

Please confirm which request it is that you wish to undergo review?

Yours sincerely,

MOD Information Rights Compliance Team

Dear CIO-FOI-IR (MULTIUSER),

The request an internal review on both questions please. MOD policies and procedures in reference to responding to veterans whether in person or a legal representative? Basically is it policy for MOD departments to respect veteran/s by replying to correspondence (Basic Common Courtesy)? Or is it policy to ignore veterans? Or is it a free for all and anyone can choose to do whatever they feel like?

Secondly, MOD have stated there is no difference in autoimmune conditions between Gulf War Veterans and population. It has not been officially compared. However we have actuslly carried out a survey and 33% are suffering diagnosed autoimmune conditions in line with MOD's estimation of 1in3 sick GW vets.

With MOD not specifically looking for the comparison it is purely someone's blind opinion. The data does not exist and therefore the opinion is misleading leading. There is either data or there is no data. It is that simple.
Answers do not jump out of data. They simply can't find something they have not looked for/compared! The days of wool being pulled over our eyes are well and truly over. Do these people really want to become complicit?

Regards,

gavin roberts

CIO-FOI-IR (MULTIUSER), Ministry of Defence

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Dear Mr Roberts,

Please find attached MOD's internal review response to your requests, our references FOI2020/01848 and FOI2020/03335.

Regards,
MOD Information Rights Compliance Team

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Dear Sandra,

Thankyou for your continued commitment to Integrity and Impartiality that has been found wanting over the previous 30 years.

It becomes clearer as each day passes that Past MOD negligence towards 'Duty of Care' had no limits.

Kind Regards
gavin roberts