Germ war tests

angie of the elder family made this Freedom of Information request to Ministry of Defence

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From: angie of the elder family

Dear Ministry of Defence,

On April 21st 2002 The observer published the report below

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2002/...

The last sentence in that report has Sue Ellison, spokeswoman for
Porton Down, stating, when asked whether such tests are still being
carried out, that 'It is not our policy to discuss ongoing
research'.

Well that research is now NOT ongoing.

please provide FULL details of EVERY "germ war test" that has been
carried out between April 22nd 2002 and the present day. This
information is MOST CERTAINLY in the public interest seeing as it
is the public being put at risk without their knowledge or consent.

in sincerity
angie: of thee elder family,

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Dear Madam,

 

We attach our response to your FOI request dated 2 June 2011.

 

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From: angie of the elder family

Dear Galloway Kim,

I have received your response and I have pondered upon it for a few
days.... but, nope, i still do not comprehend what you have said
can you please clarify.

You state:

"As a signatory of the 1972 Biological
Weapons Convention and the Biological Weapons Act of 1974, the UK
and MoD are prohibited from
conducting such work."

If this is the case, then how and why were these Germ War tests
carried out until 1979?

Are you saying that you were committing offences against the
public? That your actions were both illegal and criminal and in
contravention to the act you signed?

In sincerity,

angie of the elder family

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Simon: of the Elder family left an annotation ()

Dear Dstl FOI Department,

There appears to be some confusion here between the statements made by the Guardian article and your answers. The article states "The report also reveals details of the DICE trials in south Dorset between 1971 and 1975. These involved US and UK military scientists spraying into the air massive quantities of serratia marcescens bacteria, with an anthrax simulant and phenol." The article says these were part of "a comprehensive official history of Britain's biological weapons trials between 1940 and 1979."

It would therefore appear that either the information in the article is inaccurate or there is some variation between your definition of biological weapons trials or germ war tests, which was actually what the questioners question was about.

Can you please clarify which is correct, as if these trials did not take place as the Guardian says, then they need to be told to print a retraction in order to allay people's understandable concerns?

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Mr Carroll left an annotation ()

From "A higher form of killing, The secret story of gas and germ warfare" Robert Harris, Jeremy Paxman
"The serrentia marcescens strain, code named "8 UK" had been developed at Porton Down during the Second World War because when incubated it turned red, making it very easily identifiable when used in biological warfare experiments."
What quantities of this do the MOD still hold would be one question and what can they release about Operation Pandora would be another.

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angie of the elder family left an annotation ()

Apparently:
"Follow ups and new responses to this request have been stopped to prevent people finding out the truth".

sorry ....sorry.....my fault....typing error...."Follow ups and new responses to this request have been stopped to prevent spam."..... prevent spam ... yes ... thats it , i must have "copied and pasted" it wrong last time .....silly me!

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Alvin Pritchard. left an annotation ()

Matters regarding Britain's Nuclear, Biological and Chemical (NBC) Warfare programmes are constantly being monitored, researched and perfected, usually in secret.

Countermeasures relating to the above would be a main priority of work.

Hope this helps.

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Simon: of the Elder family left an annotation ()

Wht has this request been marked as successful when the requested information has clearly been withheld?

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Simon: of the Elder family left an annotation ()

Why has this request been marked as successful when the requested information has clearly been withheld?

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Ganesh Sittampalam left an annotation ()

The request was classified by another user of the site as part of the request categorisation "game": https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/categoris...

I have now independently reviewed the classification and I concur that "successful" is appropriate. The request is for details of every "germ war test" between April 22nd 2002 and the date of the request. The Ministry of Defence have responded stating that no such tests were carried out and explaining why. They have therefore supplied all the details requested (i.e. none).

If you believe that their response is false this should be challenged by means of internal review and ultimately a complaint to the Information Commissioner.

Ganesh - WhatDoTheyKnow volunteer

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Simon: of the Elder family left an annotation ()

So the facts contained in The Guardian article which stated:- "The Ministry of Defence turned large parts of the country into a giant laboratory to conduct a series of secret germ warfare tests on the public.

A government report just released provides for the first time a comprehensive official history of Britain's biological weapons trials between 1940 and 1979. " are not correct then and the MOD did not release such a report?

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Mike Kenner left an annotation ()

I have been successfully researching the history of Porton Down's Chemical and Biological Warfare public area field trials programme for over 17 years. I suggest that you re-submit your request, but this time omit the reference to 'Germ Warfare Tests' (which implies the use of pathogenic organisms) and substitute the phrase 'Biological Warfare simulants' (which were the organisms used in the tests you refer to). This will generate the information which you seek.

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Simon: of the Elder family left an annotation ()

Thanks Mike, I've put in a fresh request to that effect which hopefully you can follow via this link if you'd like https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/b...

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